***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[00david00]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I see what you're saying, but I don't think "this is how we do things" would fly for this particular investigation.

There probably hasn't been an investigation with as much transparency as this one considering all the FaceTime and released documents. It was mostly standard procedure until the press conference, where he was compensating for the AG/Clinton meeting. That then lead to the congressional testimonies, ones that his letter is directly supplementing, informing the proper committees that there is new information and things are on-going, which contradicts his in person testimony.

In that context, I don't think he'd have the luxury of defaulting to "sorry, that's just how we do things" if this were to blow up. At this point he's been playing the cards he's been dealt.

 

[EddieDoyers]

 

[RustyShackleford]

Fly to who, the salty GOP, people obsessed with the emails? Comey wouldn't have to explain himself, not matter the outcome of the reading of the new emails, if he followed standard procedure. He is not a political actor, he is a civil servant, he doesn't need to consider the optics or the GOP's feelings. He only became one when he decide to write that vague letter, and then pretty much acknowledges he knew there would be poltical fallout from it in his memo.

The quote from the NYT says it best to me:

Despite the Justice Department’s concerns, Mr. Comey felt obligated to send the letter. But it opened him up to fierce criticism not only from Democrats but also from current and former officials at the F.B.I. and the Justice Department, including Republicans.

“There’s a longstanding policy of not doing anything that could influence an election,” said George J. Terwilliger III, a deputy attorney general under President George Bush. “Those guidelines exist for a reason. Sometimes, that makes for hard decisions. But bypassing them has consequences.”

He added, “There’s a difference between being independent and flying solo.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/us/politics/comey-clinton-email-justice.html?rref=politics

Plus he is under no obligation to write that letter. So I'm just not gonna buying that he was in a tough spot, a tough spot that Lynch and Clinton help put him in.
He made a judgment call, fine, but and and everyone has the right to point out that it was just that, him using his judgment. And the judgment he made is not based on any normal operating procedure of the FBI.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I love this FBI agent. He is rambling off stuff that many other news outlets are reporting are not true.

Comey doesn't know what is in the emails. He pretty much said that in his vague letter.

But it must be serious, it must be prosecutable. Jeez

 

[rexanglorum]

Yes he is.

The only well known economists that probably gets laughed at behind their backs more are Art Lafffer and Thomas Sowell.

He is not about research, or good policy, he is about pedaling ideology on behalf of rich billionaires that pay him. He has worked at the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation, well known libertarian and Conservative thinks thanks that do so well because of he well funded by people like the Koch Brothers.

People like Moore and Laffer are all in for Trump because he is willing to give their failed experiment of supply side economics another run. This time cranked up 100x

Moore is the chief architect of the Trump Tax plan that has been laughed out the room by nearly the entire field.

As an Economist, Thomas Sowell isn't bad. He doesn't have very much research to his credit but unlike Laffer, he hasn't invented any theories that get routinely disproved in practice.

I disagree strongly with Sowell on most political matters but as an economist, he can articulate economic concepts quite well (at least micro economic concepts) to the laity and to novice students of economics.

It's surreal that we live in a world where economic literacy is considered cool so when my students or people at cocktail parties ask me what they should read in order to increase their economic fluency, I recommend Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell. I then recommend that they make sure to read some Krugman and Reich articles in order to balance out the political biases though.

Also, I'll take Sowell book over Greg Mankiw's intro texts any day. Mankiw's text books read like an aspirational lifestyle magazine. Mankiw's text book can be boiled down to "when you graduate from Harvard, try to find sectors that are underinvested and ask your parents lend you a few million dollars so you can invest in those sectors, now here's some algebra." Rinse and repeat and you have a Mankiw text book.

 

[EddieDoyers]

I love this FBI agent. He is rambling off stuff that many other news outlets are reporting are not true.

Comey doesn't know what is in the emails. He pretty much said that in his vague letter.

But it must be serious, it must be prosecutable

Yeah no one knows that the Weiner emails could be connected to the Hillary case

However, we now know that the FBI had still been conducting the Hillary investigations even after Comey "finished" back at July, and were looking for anything that is related to Hillary, which could involve her aides
So we shall see what happens after they complete the probe

 

[rexanglorum]

also, lol @ spoiled health insurance company CEOs saying "obamacare is failing. we have to raise premiums" instead of what they REALLY mean "we aren't making as much profit off of human suffering as we have grown accustomed to because we have to allow sick people to buy our insurance now, instead of hustling healthy people by ONLY signing them up....so we're raising the premiums"

it's all obama's fault.

corporate greed and profiting off human suffering is all obama's fault.


"my job wont provide me healthcare, and i can't afford to get obamacare"

but you're against the minimum wage.

and voting for trump.

LULZ

it's not your monster of a boss's fault your job won't endorse your health.....

it's not the monster of a ceo's fault his corporate greed forced him to raise the premiums so high you can't afford it, cause, what, was HE gonna take the loss?

it's not the pharma company's fault they charge literally 400% markups on your oh-so-important, dire need for heartburn medication (you could also stop eating chilli cheese dogs)

nah, it's obama's fault.


THANKS A LOT, BARACK.

I also think it might be shrewd of Democrats to refer to the system that we had before Obama care as "Bushcare."

I'd love to see Hillary Clinton say something like "they say 'Repeal and Replace.' Replace it with what exactly? The GOP has no plan but to go back to George W.Bush style Healthcare and all of its inhumanity and dysfunction."

 

[38816]

You're misreading or misinterpreting the tweet. He is encouraging Dem voters to vote early to avoid crazy Trump supporters. He wants Trump to lose. He is trying to offer helpful advice to Dem voters

He is a former GOP aide that hates the current GOP. When he says he wants them to go the way to the Whigs he means he wants the party to split, and the racist to kicked out.

i must have misread his tweet as a threat.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Yes he is.

The only well known economists that probably gets laughed at behind their backs more are Art Lafffer and Thomas Sowell.

He is not about research, or good policy, he is about pedaling ideology on behalf of rich billionaires that pay him. He has worked at the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation, well known libertarian and Conservative thinks thanks that do so well because of he well funded by people like the Koch Brothers.

People like Moore and Laffer are all in for Trump because he is willing to give their failed experiment of supply side economics another run. This time cranked up 100x

Moore is the chief architect of the Trump Tax plan that has been laughed out the room by nearly the entire field.

As an Economist, Thomas Sowell isn't bad. He doesn't have very much research to his credit but unlike Laffer, he hasn't invented any theories that get routinely disproved in practice.

I disagree strongly with Sowell on most political matters but as an economist, he can articulate economic concepts quite well (at least micro economic concepts) to the laity and to novice students of economics.

It's surreal that we live in a world where economic literacy is considered cool so when my students or people at cocktail parties ask me what they should read in order to increase their economic fluency, I recommend Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell. I then recommend that they make sure to read some Krugman and Reich articles in order to balance out the political biases though.

Also, I'll take Sowell book over Greg Mankiw's intro texts any day. Mankiw's text books read like an aspirational lifestyle magazine. Mankiw's text book can be boiled down to "when you graduate from Harvard, try to find sectors that are underinvested and ask your parents lend you a few million dollars so you can invest in those sectors, now here's some algebra." Rinse and repeat and you have a Mankiw text book.

I not criticizing his lack of research, or "Basic Economics". I probably have not met one person that has read that book that doesn't have positive things to say about that it, and a few other things he has put out

I'm more talking about how Sowell has pretty much made his ******** conservative ******* overshadow the few positive contribution he has made to the field. He used to be an economist that wrote about political and social issues. Now he is a conservative commentator first and foremost. At least Krugman and Mankiw have not allowed that to happen to sink all the way to that level.

Like him, hate him, or find him damb annoying, Paul Krugman is honest about what he is, about his political bias, and that he uses his economic knowledge to make his political arguments. Sowell just builds strawmen, and routinely tries to past of his kiss me *** social and cultural opinions as economic fact.

He mortgaged what would have been a decent legacy in the field, for butter biscuits from the political right.

 

[EddieDoyers]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/us/politics/chappaqua-clinton-home.html?_r=0

 

[deleted]

Trump has empowered racists to a point where simulated lynchings are seen as acceptable "Halloween decorations"

So, to me, missing renovation permits mean absolutely ******* nothing

 

[Nawzlew]

Trump has empowered racists to a point where simulated lynchings are seen as acceptable "Halloween decorations"

So, to me, missing renovation permits mean absolutely ******* nothing

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ked-remove-obama-mask-noose-article-1.2850584

 

[EddieDoyers]

Trump has empowered racists to a point where simulated lynchings are seen as acceptable "Halloween decorations"

So, to me, missing renovation permits mean absolutely ******* nothing

I agree with Trump emboldening racists and that's a terrible thing.

However, not complying with the laws and ordinances of the town does mean something still. For a politicial family, they should adhere to the same scrutiny that Trump rightly got.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Trump has empowered racists to a point where simulated lynchings are seen as acceptable "Halloween decorations"

So, to me, missing renovation permits mean absolutely ******* nothing

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ked-remove-obama-mask-noose-article-1.2850584

Wow

 

[ninjahood]

 

[SC kid]

Wont change the outcome.

Just wait.

Ill requote this after the 8th

 

[aj11fan]

Too little, too late.

 

[leavemeglazzies]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/99a98a...a1083a3/ss_trump-booted-a-black-man-from.html

So, which one of our two resident NTers was this? I know he didn't break your hearts because his blatant racism didn't seem to bother you before either.

 

[ninjahood]

Wont change the outcome.

Just wait.

Too little, too late.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Comey wanted to to be able to show up at Republican dinner parties and not get dirty looks so he decided to give Clinton a little kiss on the way out?

 

[SC kid]

I hope you lol at his loss b

 

[ninjahood]

I hope you lol at his loss b

 

[SC kid]

I know i will

 

[dragicon]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/99a98a...a1083a3/ss_trump-booted-a-black-man-from.html

So, which one of our two resident NTers was this? I know he didn't break your hearts because his blatant racism didn't seem to bother you before either.

From that article about the guy who got booted:

“I support Trump because he's honest,” Cary told the Telegram. “You can work with an honest person and convince them their vision isn't in the best interest of everyone. You can't work with dishonest people. That's why I don't like Obama — the worst president in American history.”

I just don't understand how people can think this... even the stupid people, how can they possibly think this?

 

[ninjahood]

I know i will