***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[everysingletime]

While I know it's not the case, people shouldn't be starting families with minimum wage jobs. It should be just enough for you to support yourself, put yourself through school, hustle to get that better job, etc.

Yea I understand the concept of inflation. So you're saying the dollar is that low now that 15 is fair? 15 is a lot.

15 is still barely a minimum livable wage, especially in some of the higher cost of living stays like here in California. They're are people working 60+ hrs a week barely getting by still living from paycheck to paycheck. It needs to be higher, but the cost of goods will go up a bit as well.

You're making the assumption that if someone is working there, they're also living there too. More likely than not they commuting from a poorer income place.

Idk man. I'm about to go watch a movie. Already I know there's going to be a teller at the window that has nothing to do cuz I'm going to print my ticket that I ordered ahead of time out the machine. An elderly lady who's probably retired from her real job is going to take my ticket and break it in half. Some high school student or college student is going to take my order for drinks and snacks.

I find it hard to believe they need to earn 15 dollars an hr doing that.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

She could release specifics herself. I honestly have never seen deep specifics from her.

She looks good on paper but something is off about her. Besides the anti vacc and wifi stuff.

The thing that's "off" about her is the fact that she's a moron.

 

[Belgium]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/naacp-nc-back-court-time-voter-challenges-43238181
[ninjahood]*sniff*
but voter suppression isn't real[/ninjahood]

 

[RustyShackleford]

This meme is so perfect for Stein, no specifics so she sounds great.

It would be more specific if Jill actually received that Republican/Democrat campaign money!

Oh yeah you need money to run an effective campaign!

3.5 million vs 500 million

Dude, I'm talking about when she is can't/doesn't point to any research why she has a stance, or plans to accomplish her goals.

Like she wants to forgive student debt: How? She doesn't say. Are we gonna sell bonds, run a deficit, increase taxes? How specially, spell it out. All she would say is that "we bailed out the banks, we should bail out the students". And that is a horrible reason to give because it puts kids in the same basket as the clowns that crashed her economy.

People got on Bernie for being specific, and to his credit he did. Having his war of idea makes for better policy, especially liberal policy. Stein seems stubborn to the fact that others liberals that are on her side, might take objection to her methods.

If doesn't take money to flesh out your policy ideas.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

She could release specifics herself. I honestly have never seen deep specifics from her.

She looks good on paper but something is off about her. Besides the anti vacc and wifi stuff.

The thing that's "off" about her is the fact that she's a moron.

This might be it

 

[RustyShackleford]

She could release specifics herself. I honestly have never seen deep specifics from her.

She looks good on paper but something is off about her. Besides the anti vacc and wifi stuff.

The thing that's "off" about her is the fact that she's a moron.

Your heard he rap music doe, baby girl got bars

 

[EddieDoyers]

A minimum wage job is not supposed to be a permanent job. It's just how you support yourself until you get a better job, go through school, etc

At least that's what it supposed to be

You raise it that high and ppl just never going to be content to move on.

Not to mention that employers will just react and either create more layoffs and/or pass the extra cost to consumers.

Its just stupid all around.

Oregon's working on a system like this. Within the next few years, the 2 largest metro areas will have $15 min wage, the next tier of economic size will have like $14 I think, and the final tier will have a $12.50 min wage or something. My numbers are probably wrong because I'm not taking the 2 minutes to look it up, but a higher min wage is more than necessary at this point in large metro areas. I make a decent amount of money, nothing great or worth bragging about, but I cant even afford a ******* one-bedroom apartment in Portland proper. How do you expect those making $12 and supporting families to do so? Employers aren't going to slash jobs, this is brought up every time a min wage increase is debated. And prices for products won't go up anything noteworthy. If record corporate profit margins might be reduced to barely less than record margins, so be it.

I'm going to be an a-hole right now and say that people making minimum wage shouldn't be starting families in general
However, the current minimum wage isn't enough for a young person starting his life off living in a major city by him or herself.

People shouldn't do a lot of things that are counterintuitive to their financial wellbeing. But they still do. Want people to have upward mobility and not have to rely on minimum wage? Make education easier to obtain. It's easy to say people should only be working minimum wage to get by early on in life, but if they aren't afforded the ability to obtain education or legitimate job training, how can they etch out a living? It's selfish to say "don't start a family" like only well off people should. Give the worst off a chance to improve their lives, starting with giving them the ability to simply afford to live.

It's quite selfish to bring kids into a poverty stricken lifestyle too just saying. There needs to be smarter family planning instead.
That's just my personal take on it

On an economics standpoint though, the US does need to raise the minimum wage. It's a bit too low in terms of trying to create growth.

I agree with you. It all ties back to education. We (the US) needs to overhaul education funding from preschool through college and actually invest in education. Like I know not everyone can get a college degree and be a white collar professional, but those who wish to go to work right after high school should have the ability to learn job skills and either work in that field while learning or something. People shouldn't be trapped in poverty before they're given and chance.

I noticed that even in some high schools they don't have trade classes anymore
I think it would be beneficial to bring those back in giving people more skills that may be not as "book smart"

 

[sundoobie]

She could release specifics herself. I honestly have never seen deep specifics from her.

She looks good on paper but something is off about her. Besides the anti vacc and wifi stuff.

Not sure what answer you're asking for but most of the major points she has covered on her website.

http://www.jill2016.com/policyanswers

Sure her website is cheap looking but she's working on 3.5 million dollar campaign fund... can't expect much especially from a 3rd party.

Also here are her debate answers.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Your heard he rap music doe, baby girl got bars

That **** was ******* INSANE.

That should be disqualifying right there, that has to be the wackest nu-folk horse **** i've ever heard and that's saying a lot because nu-folk is a horribly walk genre.

 

[wubalubadubdub]

Only a week and a half away from the election!
They don't sound like smart ppl but I dunno maybe you're not conveying their reasoning well enough.[/quot






I think more people vote on emotion than you think. I didn't go too much into it because it's workplace related. Just was surprised to hear who they were voting for. i thought they would stay home if anything or vote third party

 

[Black Lotus]

post that rap vid... 

 

[sundoobie]

Dude, I'm talking about when she is can't/doesn't point to any research why she has a stance, or plans to accomplish her goals.

Like she wants to forgive student debt: How? She doesn't say. Are we gonna sell bonds, run a deficit, increase taxes? How specially, spell it out. All she would say is that "we bailed out the banks, we should bail out the students". And that is a horrible reason to give because it puts kids in the same basket as the clowns that crashed her economy.

People got on Bernie for being specific, and to his credit he did. Having his war of idea makes for better policy, especially liberal policy. Stein seems stubborn to the fact that others liberals that are on her side, might take objection to her methods.

If doesn't take money to flesh out your policy ideas.

Not that hard to google

“No, you don’t pay for it – the Federal Reserve basically cancels the debt, it doesn’t cost taxpayers one penny.”

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...l-stein-on-tax-free-student-loan-bailout.html

 

[MVP]

You're making the assumption that if someone is working there, they're also living there too. More likely than not they commuting from a poorer income place.

Idk man. I'm about to go watch a movie. Already I know there's going to be a teller at the window that has nothing to do cuz I'm going to print my ticket that I ordered ahead of time out the machine. An elderly lady who's probably retired from her real job is going to take my ticket and break it in half. Some high school student or college student is going to take my order for drinks and snacks.

I find it hard to believe they need to earn 15 dollars an hr doing that.

Most of the jobs you stated are part time or seasonal work, maybe 4-6 hrs a few days a week. The benefits to those especially in the service industry will definitely benefit from it.

 

[RustyShackleford]

She could release specifics herself. I honestly have never seen deep specifics from her.

She looks good on paper but something is off about her. Besides the anti vacc and wifi stuff.

Not sure what answer you're asking for but most of the major points she has covered on her website.

http://www.jill2016.com/policyanswers

Sure her website is cheap looking but she's working on 3.5 million dollar campaign fund... can't expect much especially from a 3rd party.

Also here are her debate answers.

You actually posted this video, Jilly wit the crop job

Baby girl embarrassed herself wit this. She didn't have the decency to debate the other smaller third party candidates, because Gary Johnson won't show up.

 

[sundoobie]

Actually Americans believe all 3 debates should include 3rd party candidates but the debate commission ran by the Democrats/Republicans placed all these rules in order to exclude them. Power to the people and a level playing field.. oh wait not for 3rd party candidates .

 

[RustyShackleford]

Actually Americans believe all 3 debates should include 3rd party candidates but the debate commission ran by the Democrats/Republicans placed all these rules in order to exclude them. Power to the people and a level playing field.. oh wait not for 3rd party candidates .

The CPD is not an public institution, it is jointly sponsored by the GOP and DNC. I admit they hurt third parties by having the 15% rule, but at the same time, it was established to hold debates between Democratic and Republican candidates.

Stein could have debated the other third party candidates but chose not too because Johnson was not going to be there. She denied the smaller third parties the exposure she complains she doesn't get because of the GOP and DNC.

So she, and anyone else that shades the CPD, yet defends that move, are being a hypocrites.

 

[AZwildcats]

Jill Stein is a candidate for the naive

 

[whywesteppin]

Jill Stein sounds like a bootleg Bernie Sanders.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Dude, I'm talking about when she is can't/doesn't point to any research why she has a stance, or plans to accomplish her goals.

Like she wants to forgive student debt: How? She doesn't say. Are we gonna sell bonds, run a deficit, increase taxes? How specially, spell it out. All she would say is that "we bailed out the banks, we should bail out the students". And that is a horrible reason to give because it puts kids in the same basket as the clowns that crashed her economy.

People got on Bernie for being specific, and to his credit he did. Having his war of idea makes for better policy, especially liberal policy. Stein seems stubborn to the fact that others liberals that are on her side, might take objection to her methods.

If doesn't take money to flesh out your policy ideas.

Not that hard to google

“No, you don’t pay for it – the Federal Reserve basically cancels the debt, it doesn’t cost taxpayers one penny.”

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...l-stein-on-tax-free-student-loan-bailout.html

I know she has said that, but that is not giving specifics. That is part of her "we did it for the banks, we can do it for students" shtick I mentioned

It is suggesting a monetary policy that she a) seems to not understand b) I believe she doesn't have the authority to instruct the FED to do. Oh I forgot, she wants to have control over the Fed. Yep, having the President control monetary policy won't bite America in the *** down the line

 

[RustyShackleford]

Jill Stein sounds like a bootleg Bernie Sanders.

Even Bernie didn't take ole girl seriously.

 

[deleted]

Jill Stein sounds like a bootleg Bernie Sanders.

I've recently seen her labeled as "Tofu Palin"

 

[ninjahood]

A minimum wage job is not supposed to be a permanent job. It's just how you support yourself until you get a better job, go through school, etc

At least that's what it supposed to be

You raise it that high and ppl just never going to be content to move on.

Not to mention that employers will just react and either create more layoffs and/or pass the extra cost to consumers.

Its just stupid all around.

not to mention create bots faster...


mirroring vast European unemployment will teach em though...

Good luck in your future economic endeavors, Mr. Austerity

https://www.wired.com/2016/10/ubers-self-driving-truck-makes-first-delivery-50000-beers/

my minor in college is also automotive tech. *wink* versatility >*

u on da other hand gonna be replaced by a Indian making 1/3 of ur salary with high tech work visas

 

[AZwildcats]

 

[RustyShackleford]

A minimum wage job is not supposed to be a permanent job. It's just how you support yourself until you get a better job, go through school, etc

At least that's what it supposed to be

You raise it that high and ppl just never going to be content to move on.

Not to mention that employers will just react and either create more layoffs and/or pass the extra cost to consumers.

Its just stupid all around.

not to mention create bots faster...


mirroring vast European unemployment will teach em though...

Good luck in your future economic endeavors, Mr. Austerity

https://www.wired.com/2016/10/ubers-self-driving-truck-makes-first-delivery-50000-beers/

my minor in college is also automotive tech. *wink* versatility >*

u on da other hand gonna be replaced by a Indian making 1/3 of ur salary with high tech work visas

Yep, I consult for a Power company, teach at a community college, tutor, and do freelance STATA work for a data house in town.

Yep, whatever will I do with myself.

Listen pa, I have been blue collar to white collar, slept in cars, couches, 24/7 gyms, and basements of all kinds of establishments, in all kinds of cities, working my *** off to all kinds of jobs.

I'm not, and never have been, scared to fight for my economic life if need be.

 

[sundoobie]

The CPD is not an public institution, it is jointly sponsored by the GOP and DNC. I admit they hurt third parties by having the 15% rule, but at the same time, it was established to hold debates between Democratic and Republican candidates.

Stein could have debated the other third party candidates but chose not too because Johnson was not going to be there. She denied the smaller third parties the exposure she complains she doesn't get because of the GOP and DNC.

So she, and anyone else that shades the CPD, yet defends that move, are being a hypocrites.

WRONG

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley...l-candidates-dr-jill-stein-gary-johnson-pt-1/