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Who's talking about Comey? We have a supposedly neutral organization colluding with a candidate. Wasn't that what YOU complained about? Or is it OK now that Trump is doing it?

Sorry brah, you right. All around the FBI have pissed away their reputation with weeks.

Every news outlet also has "sources inside the FBI", spreading info about investigations. These clowns are playing themselves on a daily basis.
 
We have a supposedly neutral organization colluding with a candidate.

u mean this?

WikiLeaks: DOJ official gave Clinton camp 'heads up' about email filing
By MATTHEW NUSSBAUM 11/02/16 03:44 PM EDT Updated 11/02/16 03:59 PM EDT
A senior Department of Justice official gave Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman a "heads up" about new developments related to Clinton's email use as secretary of state, according to hacked emails published Wednesday by WikiLeaks.
In May of 2015, Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik emailed Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta to tell him about potential developments at an impending congressional hearing, as well as about a new development in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit for the emails Clinton turned over to the State Department from her private account.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...t-heads-up-investigation-230643#ixzz4P4cWEnjy
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8o :lol

*radio silence*
 
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So both campaigns doing anything to get votes? Not even surprised.

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We have a supposedly neutral organization colluding with a candidate.

u mean this?

WikiLeaks: DOJ official gave Clinton camp 'heads up' about email filing
By MATTHEW NUSSBAUM 11/02/16 03:44 PM EDT Updated 11/02/16 03:59 PM EDT
A senior Department of Justice official gave Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman a "heads up" about new developments related to Clinton's email use as secretary of state, according to hacked emails published Wednesday by WikiLeaks.
In May of 2015, Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik emailed Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta to tell him about potential developments at an impending congressional hearing, as well as about a new development in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit for the emails Clinton turned over to the State Department from her private account.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...t-heads-up-investigation-230643#ixzz4P4cWEnjy
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8o :lol

*radio silence*

-The DOJ, especially the attorney general generally not expected to be neutral, they take instruction for the president.

-They gave Podesta a heads up about information that will be available publicly within like a day.

-The FBI might have fend the Trump campaign info on a ongoing investigation.

False equivalency b
 
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da DOJ is supposed to be a neutral institution...what kinda crazy logic is that? :lol

there is no false equivalency there, ya boy got caught being unethical.

Comey & da FBI haven't been influenced by anyone, its just that Lynch politicized herself being seen with Clinton on that Tarmac & more responsibility was laid to bare by Comey.
 
da DOJ is supposed to be a neutral institution...what kinda crazy logic is that? :lol

there is no false equivalency there, ya boy got caught being unethical.

Comey & da FBI haven't been influenced by anyone, its just that Lynch politicized herself being seen with Clinton on that Tarmac & more responsibility was laid to bare by Comey.

Dude, once again your ignorance is showing.

Attorney General basically does the bidding of the president.

A lighter example so hopefully you can understand it. The Secretary of Commence answer to the president, they work together on jobs programs and stimulating economic growth, through which ever means the president sees best.

The Census Bureau however works to collect economic data and pollution estimates. They won't fudge data, or alter their way of going things for the political gain of the president or either party.

The FBI will functioning the same from president to president, the Attorney General/DOJ usually don't. Lynch is in Obama's cabinet, Comey is not
 
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Dude, once again your ignorance is showing

meanwhile...

All Department of Justice employees are subject to the Hatch Act, 5 U.S.C. 7323(a) and 7324(a), which generally prohibits Department employees from engaging in partisan political activity while on duty, in a federal facility or using federal property. Political activity is activity directed toward the success or failure of a political party, candidate for partisan political office, or partisan political group. The statute carries serious penalties including REMOVAL from federal employment.
The Hatch Act applies to all federal employees; however, application of its restrictions is broken down into two groups, based on position.

"Less restricted" employees, including most career employees in the executive branch, are able to participate actively in political management or partisan political campaigns, while off-duty, outside a federal facility and not using federal property.

“Further restricted" employees are held to stricter rules that preclude active participation in political management or partisan political campaigns, even off-duty. The following Department of Justice employees are "further restricted" by statute: all career Senior Executive Service (SES) employees; administrative law judges; employees in the Criminal Division, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the National Security Division; and criminal investigators and explosives enforcement officers in ATF. Further restricted employees may not campaign for or against candidates or otherwise engage in political activity in concert with a political party, a candidate for partisan political office, or a partisan political group.
Considering the Department’s mission, the Attorney General has previously determined that, as a matter of Department policy, all political appointees will be subject to the rules that govern “further restricted” employees under the Hatch Act to ensure there is not an appearance that politics plays any part in the Department’s day to day operations. Guidance to all Department employees is provided in two memoranda from the Deputy Attorney General, dated March 10, 2016, one to career employees and one to appointees.

Any Department employees who have questions beyond what is included here should consult their component’s ethics official.

https://www.justice.gov/jmd/political-activities

like I said, DOJ got caught via wikileaks so...
 
Dude, once again your ignorance is showing

meanwhile...

All Department of Justice employees are subject to the Hatch Act, 5 U.S.C. 7323(a) and 7324(a), which generally prohibits Department employees from engaging in partisan political activity while on duty, in a federal facility or using federal property. Political activity is activity directed toward the success or failure of a political party, candidate for partisan political office, or partisan political group. The statute carries serious penalties including REMOVAL from federal employment.
The Hatch Act applies to all federal employees; however, application of its restrictions is broken down into two groups, based on position.

"Less restricted" employees, including most career employees in the executive branch, are able to participate actively in political management or partisan political campaigns, while off-duty, outside a federal facility and not using federal property.

“Further restricted" employees are held to stricter rules that preclude active participation in political management or partisan political campaigns, even off-duty. The following Department of Justice employees are "further restricted" by statute: all career Senior Executive Service (SES) employees; administrative law judges; employees in the Criminal Division, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the National Security Division; and criminal investigators and explosives enforcement officers in ATF. Further restricted employees may not campaign for or against candidates or otherwise engage in political activity in concert with a political party, a candidate for partisan political office, or a partisan political group.
Considering the Department’s mission, the Attorney General has previously determined that, as a matter of Department policy, all political appointees will be subject to the rules that govern “further restricted” employees under the Hatch Act to ensure there is not an appearance that politics plays any part in the Department’s day to day operations. Guidance to all Department employees is provided in two memoranda from the Deputy Attorney General, dated March 10, 2016, one to career employees and one to appointees.

Any Department employees who have questions beyond what is included here should consult their component’s ethics official.

https://www.justice.gov/jmd/political-activities

like I said, DOJ got caught via wikileaks so...

I don't know if you're trying to move the goal post, or you just don't have the capacity to understand.

Telling someone "Yeah, a public even it going to happen tomorrow" is not the same as "There is secret information about an ongoing investigation to help you campaign"

Secondly, my point about the difference between how Cabinet members act, and some lower level bureaus act seems completely lost on you.

So guess when Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch open up a investigations into corrupt police departments on Obama's wishes, they are violating the Hatch Act as well. Because the GOP hates those investigations
 
It is comedic to believe he has a chance to take it.

Meh, never underestimate the American public, he's gotten this far. He could win the popular vote and lose the electoral college. Which would be hilarious.
I just don't see this happening.

Whether there's high or low voter turn out. Like it's have to be an all time low voter turn out for that to happen.
 
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Brexit happened. And until it happened, they didn't think it was going to happen. So...anything can happen.
I really don't feel the ppl of Britain is a good comparison to us.

When Ohio went to Obama.


Can't wait for the live tweets of Donald dismissing every news channel claiming a state has gone to Trillary and finding the one news source saying NY and NJ went to him let alone the swing states :lol
 
It's crazy that within a week (sorry, 3 weeks) of the election both Nate Silver and the writer at the Washington Post have outlined a detailed scenario where Trump and Hilary can tie at 269

Wouldn't that be crazy as ****
 
A few odds and ends:


- I wanted to clarify something that I was talking about with ninja last night. I do not use my class to push any sort of ideology or political tactics and strategy. I teach economics and I'd like to believe that my lectures would leave an observer totally oblivious to my political leanings. My political discussions with my students are outside of lecture hours.

There are some professors out there that really do inject their political views into their lectures and that is wrong. It undermines the idea that education is universal and transcendent.

Since almost all of those who inject their views into their lectures are leftist, it also creates an opening for libertarian/conservative rhetoric. When you are an undergrad, the professor is a pretty big authority in your own life and if your professor is overly political and comes off as bias against conservatives students, your conservative student may get radicalized. He may start to really believe the culturally conservative line that Professors, activists, journalists and civil rights lawyers are the real ruling class of this Country and that Hedge Fund Managers and CEO's are beleaguered, billionaire insurgents.



- I love California. It used to be the women and the weather but now I am married and I make most of my money through agriculture so I have to ignore the former and curse the latter. Now I love California for its politics.

The United States and its 50 States are all republics and every republic presents a continuum with democracy on the side and oligarchy on the other. California is now a democratic leaning, multi racial republic while the United States is a white dominated oligarchic republic. The contrast could not be more striking. The United States is sclerotic and California is dynamic.

In the 1990's, when white, salaried, home owners made up a shrinking majority of California's electorate, they went crazy will all sorts of "tough on crime" and white identity politics laws. Now that white, middle class folks are no longer the majority, our politics has to have input from everyone else and the result is that renters get a tax credit (the same as home owners have had for decades) and the carceral State is being dismantled slowly but surely. People, who do not live in gated communities, matter in our State.

To the people in the other 49 States, don't get too unhappy. America's demographics are starting to look like California's and once we hit that tipping point, you will finally start to matter in national politics.


- Black voters need to get out there and vote like they did for Obama. It boogles the mind that black turnout is so low. I know that all sorts of States are maliciously creating hoops for black voters to jump through but that didn't stop black folks from denying Bernie Sanders the nomination. Hillary Clinton is running as a third Obama term, Hillary Clinton did better with black primary voters in 2016 then Barack Obama did in 2008.

It would be as if Bernie Sanders got the nomination and then millennials decided not to vote in the general election.
 
Sounds crazy but Trump > Hillary. Hillary would be more of the same. She is apart of the world elite that has been running stuff behind the scenes
 
Sounds crazy but Trump > Hillary. Hillary would be more of the same. She is apart of the world elite that has been running stuff behind the scenes

Yea, Trump is a regular working Joe like you and me. We have way more in common than Hillary.

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Sounds crazy but Trump > Hillary. Hillary would be more of the same. She is apart of the world elite that has been running stuff behind the scenes

Yea, Trump is a regular working Joe like you and me. We have way more in common than Hillary.

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considering Hillary Clinton is rich from shady Clinton Foundation dealings vs Trump getting it in da private sector...
 
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