***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Brownstone]

Unfortunately a lot of the issues Kamala and the Democrats faced come back to Joe Biden's hubris. Remember when he said he didn't plan on running for reelection? That's the root of all of these issues.

I understand why the Democrats quickly coalesced around Harris given the timeline but she was set up to fail from the beginning. I think she ran a great campaign, all things considered and crushed Trump in the debate but she was in a tough spot. Despite all of her efforts, Harris was never going to be able to separate herself from Biden, who is a historically unpopular president. The shortened timeline also didn't give Harris much time to fully flesh out her policies either.

Ideally Democrats would have had an open primary and found a fresh-faced (likely male) candidate but given the timeline you can't pluck a candidate from relative obscurity and a lot of the strong contenders (I liked Josh Shapiro or Wes Moore) wouldn't want to burn their political capital on a failed, last minute presidential campaign in 2024 when they could run a full campaign in 2028.

Of course the entire reason the Democrats were in this difficult spot is because of Joe biden's hubris. Joe should have told the world he wasn't running in 2022 so Democrats could have had a normal election cycle. I liked Joe as a president and I think he did a great job but unfortunately a big part of his legacy is going to be how badly he botched the 2024 election cycle and how he screwed over the party

You are right on all fronts. But you can't on one side say this is the most important election ever, and then on the other have strong candidates not wanting to "burn political capital"

That kind of hypocrisy is what voters saw right through and part of the reason Kamala got smoked

 

[rolaholic]

18 million Dems stayed home this election compared to 2020. The Dems have to look within.

Gotta meet the base, not donors, where they're at. Not trying to meet the other base halfway.

That's what the GOP does without deviation and look what it gets them

 

[WASHED KING]

Yea unfortunately the kids won't save us either...

The boys especially are neck deep in that red pill/trad revivalist stuff that's been finely tuned and targeted directly at them throughout their formative years

Biggest takeaway I got from this election. We need to talk to the boys and young men around us. Like seriously. I already knew there was a lonely young male epidemic but this issue needs to be addressed now.

The right is pulling them down these rabbit holes way too easily through streamers, and content creators like Adin Ross, Andrew Tate.

 

[Chopsticks]

Chances of Trump renaming the White house to Trump house?

 

[NickFolarin]

Elon purchasing Twitter was a long game that TBH, I don't think anyone could've factor years ago

So much misinformation and division snowballed into aa problem

 

[rolaholic]

Biggest takeaway I got from this election. We need to talk to the boys and young men around us. Like seriously. I already knew there was a lonely young male epidemic but this issue needs to be addressed now.

The right is pulling them down these rabbit holes way too easily through streamers, and content creators like Adin Ross, Andrew Tate.

In hindsight, stuff like gamergate became like a trojan horse for that sort of worldview coming into the mainstream and the culture wars became a petri dish for that undercurrent to spread and grow.

Definitely something that needs to be seriously addressed and countered forcefully instead of simply derided and ignored. The alternative is a lost generation which is catastrophic.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Yes, but he was an unappealing corpse who has spent his career talking down to people and was mostly profoundly crooked and unlikable. Joe Biden might have had the most left-wing economic policies since Carter but it didn’t matter if his term was marked by massive inflation and the end of the Covid era checks (something that is stupid but for lots of low information voters, color their perception of Trump “helping” them).

He also got us into two wars with an ever emerging third.

Your whole thing is blaming the left, and you’ll do it again, but the reality is they win in 2008 by convincing people that they were actually on that side and abandoned the playbook ever since.

the reason i blame the left is they literally have never won anything ever and they have no theory of how you would win a senate majority.
without a generational superstar or a global pandemic.


Im a much more left wing person than the average american.
but im honest i don't lie to myself and act like people love every left wing policy that i like.

the most successful candidates, moderate on key issues, this is just ancient political wisdom. but for some reason from likw 2016-2020 we all forgot this.


and some of these losers are trying to run the "bernie would have won" strat again.
its insane to indulge this.

 

[B Sox]

Yea unfortunately the kids won't save us either...

The boys especially are neck deep in that red pill/trad revivalist stuff that's been finely tuned and targeted directly at them throughout their formative years

Millennials seem to be a better bet as far as finding future candidates than Gen Z. We’ll see when someone actually gets the chance.

 

[NickFolarin]

Biggest takeaway I got from this election. We need to talk to the boys and young men around us. Like seriously. I already knew there was a lonely young male epidemic but this issue needs to be addressed now.

The right is pulling them down these rabbit holes way too easily through streamers, and content creators like Adin Ross, Andrew Tate.

And blacks with a platform that used the election grift and pander, i.e Umar, Charleston White & Akademiks

 

[Benny Hinn]

I’m more shocked there are enough Latinos living in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to swing an election.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Yea unfortunately the kids won't save us either...

The boys especially are neck deep in that red pill/trad revivalist stuff that's been finely tuned and targeted directly at them throughout their formative years

it's almost like you can't just keep moving to the left and assume people will follow you because they fit into certain demographic groups.

 

[703 hwy]

703 hwy Thinking about your comment from the other day. I'm pretty sure those rich folks that publicly supported Kamala might have turned around and voted for Trump. I mean, who would even know if they did?

I was just keeping it real. No one will ever know but I still believe it.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

18 million Dems stayed home this election compared to 2020. The Dems have to look within.

don't let them run the "we have to turn out the base" strat either.
"we need to move to the left to turn out our base"

marginal voters are more moderate than consistent voters.

 

[finessence]

Biggest takeaway I got from this election. We need to talk to the boys and young men around us. Like seriously. I already knew there was a lonely young male epidemic but this issue needs to be addressed now.

The right is pulling them down these rabbit holes way too easily through streamers, and content creators like Adin Ross, Andrew Tate.

They’re lonely because they’re weird and creepy… just like Tate and Ross. Their meant for each other. They’re scared of women and rather watch porn. America created this problem. Now they’re stuck with it.

Basically Remy off “Higher Learning”

 

[paulwest1985]

Biggest takeaway I got from this election. We need to talk to the boys and young men around us. Like seriously. I already knew there was a lonely young male epidemic but this issue needs to be addressed now.

The right is pulling them down these rabbit holes way too easily through streamers, and content creators like Adin Ross, Andrew Tate.

 

[ntva28]

180 dem 199 republican house. No hope for that atp.

 

[rolaholic]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Biggest takeaway I got from this election. We need to talk to the boys and young men around us. Like seriously. I already knew there was a lonely young male epidemic but this issue needs to be addressed now.

The right is pulling them down these rabbit holes way too easily through streamers, and content creators like Adin Ross, Andrew Tate.

again this is all just cope to me.
Dems decided to become a more culturally feminine party;

Dems are more concerned with speech, and sensitivity
They explicitly exclude men from their messaging.
they foreground women in all their policy positions.
they focus on female centric issues; student debt relief, abortion.



there is no group of young men, throughout the entire history of the planet earth who are into this. like this was all entirely predictable.


blaming it on andrew tate or whatever is just not helpful.

 

[dacomeup]

but this is my point, the ACA survived negative messaging because it was ACTUALLY popular. it wasn't a polling mirage.
It survived negative messaging, it survived implementation, when people try to take it away the public gets mad.

I don't know how you can look at student debt relief, a policy that benefits women and the college educated

and then literally right after, dems get killed with non college educated male voters, and don't actually make up much with women.

and think student debt relief is actually a popular thing that wins votes.


Or look at the child tax credit and watch no one care that it got implemented, know one care when it expires and think that this is a strong thing that moves votes.


these issue polls should be taken with massive grains of salt imo.

Yea, I think we disagree here. The ACA literally only survived because of McCain.

Student loans didn’t survive because Trump had a stacked SC.

Trying to boil it down to the ACA actually being popular isn’t right IMO. McCain wasn’t running for re-election and hated Trump — he ran against Obama himself as Obama was running on ACA.

The SC doesn’t care whether the policy is actually popular or not, they’re hyper partisan and going to do the bidding of the people who appointed them.

 

[me love nutella]

So, from some reflections in here...Dems need another populist leader?

Couldn't they have gotten some white man populist charismatic person they could have prepped last 4 years, or there were no potential ones that can tip toe with Trump?

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

 

[gry60]

These conservatives in your camp pushes away progressives and doesn't win over any Republicans

This why I don't think progressives are serious.

This election, the choice shouldn't have been about people, so Harris aligning herself with conservatives wouldn't have been an issue when facing the prospect of living under a second Trump government.

It's yet another example of folks practicing zero-sum thinking, and it's especially damning for that group, because they're the ones who generally proclaim to be about good policy for all Americans.

They can certainly knit more of those pink hats though... Let's see where that gets them...

 

[blakep267]

And blacks with a platform that used the election grift and pander, i.e Umar, Charleston White & Akademiks

Tariq nasheed completely switched from calling out white supremacists to being a trump shill. Maybe the dems need to start handing out checks like the right does

 

[rolaholic]

So, from some reflections in here...Dems need another populist leader?

Couldn't they have gotten some white man populist charismatic person they could have prepped last 4 years, or there were no potential ones that can tip toe with Trump?

I'm scared that the takeaway will be to run someone charismatic like Newsome or Shapiro as a centrist again instead of Obama style progressive firebrand.

I'm certain they're still equipped to run up the margins depending on chosen strategy

 

[pmatic]

At least we get Bill Burr on SNL this weekend.