***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[osh kosh bosh]

Yea, I think we disagree here. The ACA literally only survived because of McCain.

I don't mean survived in terms of legislation, i mean survived politically.

mccain didn't just do that randomly. he did that because he thought he was helping the republican party. the rest were too enslaved to trump to see it.

Donald trump lowest polling was when he tried to repeal the ACA. they got crushed in the mid terms because of it.

McCain saved the republicans from themselves. McCain saw that the ACA was actually popular. that's what i mean by it "survived"

despite republicans attacks, people will get mad if you try to repeal.


this is just not true of student debt relif or the child tax credit. I think the child tax credit is great idea, but the electorate just didn't care that much.

student debt relif is clearly not that popular
got crushed with non college and women didn't make up the difference.

 

[WASHED KING]

again this is all just cope to me.
Dems decided to become a more culturally feminine party;

Dems are more concerned with speech, and sensitivity
They explicitly exclude men from their messaging.
they foreground women in all their policy positions.
they focus on female centric issues; student debt relief, abortion.



there is no group of young men, throughout the entire history of the planet earth who are into this. like this was all entirely predictable.


blaming it on andrew tate or whatever is just not helpful.

Tate was just an example, I could go down the list of the red pill grifters I just used to biggest name for the post don't get too hung up on it.

The point is there is a gender divide in which the Democratic party needs to work harder to appeal to straight men.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Tate was just an example, I could go down the list of the red pill grifters I just used to biggest name for the post don't get too hung up on it.

The point is there is a gender divide in which the Democratic party needs to work harder to appeal to straight men.

i agree with your conclusion.

my fear is dems use things like racism/sexism/andrew tate to absolve themselves of blame. (im not saying you are doing this)

imo people like andrew tate, the red pill are a symptom not the cause of anything.

 

[JMB10215]

Honestly as a younger black man. I think the Dems have to do a better job coming down south and explaining to men but specially black men why we should have their vote. A lot of my homies aint even vote this year. Granted I live in Texas so it don't matter much, but they don't have Obama no more so they need to get down to our level if they want full support of the community. A lot of ****** wasn't feeling kamala. Thats just the facts.

 

[Mr Dink]

To be honest, while I’m disappointed by the results, I can’t say that I’m surprised. If we take a step back, the writing was on the wall that Trump would win. I’ve been watching comments over the last few weeks on different platforms, and it’s almost completely filled with people complaining about the last four years, outnumbering people that support stuff like women’s rights by a fairly large margin. I was hoping to be wrong but it sucks that I wasn’t.

 

[finessence]

Trump out here routinely calling other men handsome and good looking… but the dems are catering to women. Dude ain’t the picture of masculinity. He suspect as hell

 

[rolaholic]

She was literally out there on the trail with "Those who lean right and aren't hardcore conservatives"

And it got her NOTHING.

What is the point to keep moving center if the center just keeps moving right?

Is it even the center anymore? Those times are dead man

 

[paulwest1985]

At least we get Bill Burr on SNL this weekend.

That opening monologue bout to be

 

[sickickz23]

Say Trump turns into Biden in 2-3 years, and if he steps down for Vance to take over, is he worse than Trump?

 

[Kierris]

don't let them run the "we have to turn out the base" strat either.
"we need to move to the left to turn out our base"

marginal voters are more moderate than consistent voters.

No, what that says to me is that Democrats just weren't enthused about the candidate they were given. Looking at Trump's numbers from 2020, he actually has 3 million less overall voters so it's not like he did anything special... Harris simply didn't have support. Tbh the left has always been lukewarm on Biden/Harris.. they're both generic centrists and the people who vote left are tired of that. I don't understand why they continue to try to appeal to these 'undecided' people who never vote for them. The right caters to no one but their base, the Dems need to follow the same the game plan. I do believe that most people are inherently fall under the Democrat side but you need candidates that appeal to that. The DNC has no one to blame but themselves. They need to start pushing actual left leaning leaders instead of centrists that appeal to everyone.

 

[finessence]

Honestly as a younger black man. I think the Dems have to do a better job coming down south and explaining to men but specially black men why we should have their vote. A lot of my homies aint even vote this year. Granted I live in Texas so it don't matter much, but they don't have Obama no more so they need to get down to our level if they want full support of the community. A lot of ****** wasn't feeling kamala. Thats just the facts.

Would they have voted for Biden? Y’all do remember the campaign stated 2 years ago? Kamala was only an option the past 3 months… what about the 21 months be before?

 

[IATT]

Trump out here routinely calling other men handsome and good looking… but the dems are catering to women. Dude ain’t the picture of masculinity. He suspect as hell

And Vance out chere with eyeliner like he’s Pete wentz

 

[WASHED KING]

i agree with your conclusion.

my fear is dems use things like racism/sexism/andrew tate to absolve themselves of blame. (im not saying you are doing this)

imo people like andrew tate, the red pill are a symptom not the cause of anything.

100% the reason they're able to exist is because there is a market for their content. Which is why my original post focused on the need for building community with the young men and boys around you in REAL LIFE not online.

The goal is to keep them from searching out these online red pill, right wing spaces in the first place and I'm of the belief the better their social life and circle is in real life the lower possibility they are influenced by that type of content.

 

[NickFolarin]

Honestly as a younger black man. I think the Dems have to do a better job coming down south and explaining to men but specially black men why we should have their vote. A lot of my homies aint even vote this year. Granted I live in Texas so it don't matter much, but they don't have Obama no more so they need to get down to our level if they want full support of the community. A lot of ****** wasn't feeling kamala. Thats just the facts.

Obama told them why its important to vote and they literally complained that he was "preaching to the wrong crowd"

We have to hold young black men accountable for not being informed with current events and policy and how voting at all levels impacts them directly

 

[kdawg]

Say Trump turns into Biden in 2-3 years, and if he steps down for Vance to take over, is he worse than Trump?

About the only good thing about the first trump "administration" is that it was an absolute circus so they couldn't do as much harm as they wanted. This could be worse - and Vance is probably slightly more competent than trump so could be a problem.

 

[Belgium]

I wonder if Trump will go the route of just immediately trying to pardon himself or take the longer but slightly less controversial route of just installing a corrupt Attorney General to shut down any investigation into him and his allies.

 

[finessence]

And Vance out chere with eyeliner like he’s Pete wentz

It’s baffling dawg. Look at the men of the Republican Party vs the men of the Democratic Party. George Santos literally was a crossdresser

 

[elpablo21]

One thing I do appreciate about this thread no matter how many times echo chamber gets brought up win (Biden) or lose (Kamala and Hilary)

It's always Libs vs Libs after the results not agreeing on something

Some echo chamber

 

[uncalled4boy]

We Can Dissect All These Things That "Went Wrong/Right" As Much As We Want., But Hidden Behind All The Moving Goal Posts:

America Is Racist And Misogynistic, Period.

 

[Brownstone]

The press per usual are getting it wrong. Americans are left on a lot of issues still. Just like they were yesterday.

Immigration is literally the only issue America has moved right on.

A Competent democratic Candidate, will:

• Be FOR taxing the rich
• Be FOR keeping corporate and taxes on middle income earners low
• Be HONEST about the gender achievement gap and meaningful policies that address them
• Provide meaningful policies that give black men that same advantages that have benefited white women, I think it's clear that affirmative action did not achieve the intention for black Americans
• Acknowledge that immigration is a real issue and needs to be solved with humane and reasonable policies. Reward legal immigration with shorter turnaround times. Stop rewarding green card marriages. Don't separate families, but also maybe don't give them free hotel rooms and monthly wages?

That's a start, its clear that trans issues, environmental and apparently women's rights are not needle movers. They belong right next to education in the everyone pretends to care about bucket

 

[dacomeup]

mccain didn't just do that randomly. he did that because he thought he was helping the republican party. the rest were too enslaved to trump to see it.

Do you have a source for his thinking on this? Because this isn’t even what he said himself

In a statement, the senator named the obvious culprit, the rationale for voting down Obamacare repeal that he had been hinting at for days: This was not how the Senate was supposed to work.
“I’ve stated time and time again that one of the major failures of Obamacare was that it was rammed through Congress by Democrats on a strict party-line basis without a single Republican vote,” McCain said in a statement after his stunning vote.
“We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of the aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people,” he said. “We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”

He was concerned with government process, not specifically saving the Republican Party.

Student loans ended up being a clear sign of weakness for Dems. They weren’t able to pass any legislation and the Trump SC shot it down swiftly. All of the anger went towards the Biden admin for not passing what they promised.

 

[keko jones]

Tate was just an example, I could go down the list of the red pill grifters I just used to biggest name for the post don't get too hung up on it.

The point is there is a gender divide in which the Democratic party needs to work harder to appeal to straight men.

It can be challenging to appeal to certain groups, such as straight men who may hold traditional views, when a party strongly promotes inclusion across all areas. Many men are uncomfortable with concepts like labeling trans women as “real women” or promoting gender-neutral policies. Regardless of progressive shifts, some beliefs are deeply ingrained and don’t resonate with everyone. This isn’t necessarily a negative aspect but does suggest that capturing the young male vote may require a nuanced approach.

 

[rexanglorum]

I wonder if there’s something to this claim (not being rhetorical)

 

[keko jones]

Trump out here routinely calling other men handsome and good looking… but the dems are catering to women. Dude ain’t the picture of masculinity. He suspect as hell

Hot Nikki .... lmao

Dude still getting flame for it.

Funny thing is, that as soon as he saw an opportunity he took it and distance himself from Trump.

 

[Benny Hinn]

Still need to see Republicans win a cycle without Trump on the ticket. The “red wave” was just 2 years ago. He’s a a generational candidate. Gotta give him his flowers We saw what happened to DeSantis and how fast he flamed out.