***Official Political Discussion Thread***

"We don't want anymore wars, so let's elect a guy who angrily responds to the most insignificant anonymous insults directed at his twitter handle."

"We need more jobs and better pay: let's have a fast food CEO as the Secretary of Labor"

"We don't need anymore conflicts: let's pick people who want to 'exterminate muslims' to head the State department"

:lol
 
"We don't want anymore wars, so let's elect a guy who angrily responds to the most insignificant anonymous insults directed at his twitter handle."

"We need more jobs and better pay: let's have a fast food CEO as the Secretary of Labor"

"We don't need anymore conflicts: let's pick people who want to 'exterminate muslims' to head the State department"

:lol

"stronger together.....not my president"
"russia rigged the election....exposing how we rigged the election" etc. etc. etc.

anti-trumpers pointing out hypocrisy is in itself hypocritical so it's not gonna work.
 
"stronger together.....not my president"
"russia rigged the election....exposing how we rigged the election" etc. etc. etc.

anti-trumpers pointing out hypocrisy is in itself hypocritical so it's not gonna work.

Now that you've expressed your views on hypocrisy in general, what are your views on the points he actually made?
 
"We don't want anymore wars, so let's elect a guy who angrily responds to the most insignificant anonymous insults directed at his twitter handle."

"We need more jobs and better pay: let's have a fast food CEO as the Secretary of Labor"

"We don't need anymore conflicts: let's pick people who want to 'exterminate muslims' to head the State department"

:lol

"stronger together.....not my president"
"russia rigged the election....exposing how we rigged the election" etc. etc. etc.

anti-trumpers pointing out hypocrisy is in itself hypocritical so it's not gonna work.

Don't deflect because you got played by your lord and savior trump.


 
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I specifically remember you posting in this very thread about how Clinton was going to lead us to war against Russia.

Now that Russians are moving reinforcements around foreign areas they consider strategic and China is flying nuclear bombers around, you have been pretty silent. Your man is proving to be quite the destabilizing personality, isn't he?
 
teamjordan79 teamjordan79

I specifically remember you posting in this very thread about how Clinton was going to lead us to war against Russia.

Now that Russians are moving reinforcements around foreign areas they consider strategic and China is flying nuclear bombers around, you have been pretty silent. Your man is proving to be quite the destabilizing personality, isn't he?

Solution = NATO stops military exercises on Russia's doorstep. Ditto for the US in the South China Sea. Hence the real destabilizer is your mans currently in the White House.
 
the double standard though.

circa 1996:
700
 
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Solution = NATO stops military exercises on Russia's doorstep. Ditto for the US in the South China Sea. Hence the real destabilizer is your mans currently in the White House.

Tell me again which territories have been annexed by NATO countries in the last ten years?
 
Solution = NATO stops military exercises on Russia's doorstep. Ditto for the US in the South China Sea. Hence the real destabilizer is your mans currently in the White House.

Tell me again which territories have been annexed bombed by NATO countries in the last ten years?

Afghanistan and Libya but that didn't end well unlike Crimea, which you're alluding to.
 
Solution = NATO stops military exercises on Russia's doorstep. Ditto for the US in the South China Sea. Hence the real destabilizer is your mans currently in the White House.

Tell me again which territories have been annexed by NATO countries in the last ten years?

Da US supported a Ukrainian Coupe of a Democratically elected President right next to Russia so..
 
Solution = NATO stops military exercises on Russia's doorstep. Ditto for the US in the South China Sea. Hence the real destabilizer is your mans currently in the White House.

Tell me again which territories have been annexed bombed by NATO countries in the last ten years?

Afghanistan and Libya but that didn't end well unlike Crimea, which you're alluding to.

Why are you changing my question? I said "annexed," not bombed.

ANNEXED.

HOW MANY TERRITORIES HAVE NATO COUNTRIES ANNEXED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS?

That's the question.
 
Solution = NATO stops military exercises on Russia's doorstep. Ditto for the US in the South China Sea. Hence the real destabilizer is your mans currently in the White House.

Tell me again which territories have been annexed bombed by NATO countries in the last ten years?

Afghanistan and Libya but that didn't end well unlike Crimea, which you're alluding to.

Why are you changing my question? I said "annexed," not bombed.

ANNEXED.

HOW MANY TERRITORIES HAVE NATO COUNTRIES ANNEXED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS?

That's the question.

Because if you frame it like that...some people might think you have a point, which you don't.

How about this...

Which place would you go for vacation right now?

a) Libya
b) Afghanistan
c) Crimea
d) All of the above

:p
 
If you choose Crimea be sure to not speak out against Russia, cuz you will go to jail or possibly just disappear.
 
Deflect and shift convo.....

Bravo teamjordan79 teamjordan79 :lol

Dude STILL hasn't answered the question. And likely won't. Never understood why it's so hard for some people to admit they are wrong.
 
:lol

Disingenuous deplorable.

You can't answer the question because you know what it implies.

Russia isn't against expanding its territory to assert its influence, which is a tactic that has been pretty much rejected by the international community. It is also a tactic for a strong country that has little else to offer the world. Economic prosperity is why former soviet countries wanted to join the Eurozone. They can't get that fron Putin.
 
umm...da Answer is Ukraine :lol

Answer to what? Did NATO annex Ukraine?

yes it did, by proxy...cuz it supported da coupe.

That's not what annexation is though :lol

Annexing by proxy is exactly what the Russians did with the insignia-less russian troops they claimed as "free fighters"

The coup talk doesn't mention any context aruund the Maidan and how the majority of Ukrainians wanted closer reLatinos with Europe/the West which their Russian financed and backed leader wanted to stop and bring them closer with Russia.

They rejected a Russian puppet as their leader,granted they're not in good shape at all economically and politically nowadays but a lot of it has to do with fighting 2 lowkey wars againot Russia in their own borders ever since
 
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umm...da Answer is Ukraine :lol

Answer to what? Did NATO annex Ukraine?

yes it did, by proxy...cuz it supported da coupe.

:rollin

This is the saddest and funniest **** I've read here in a while. Stretching words to match your version of the truth. 1984 in real life folks.

Get yourself a map of Europe made in Russia after the Crimean event and one made outside of Russia. Then, compare.

Also, it's "coup," as in "coup d'etat."
 
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umm...da Answer is Ukraine :lol

Answer to what? Did NATO annex Ukraine?

yes it did, by proxy...cuz it supported da coupe.

:rollin

This is the saddest and funniest **** I've read here in a while. Stretching words to match your version of the truth. 1984 in real life folks.

Get yourself a map of Europe made in Russia after the Crimean event and one made outside of Russia. Then, compare.

Also, it's "coup," as in "coup d'etat."

He must have had da V8 hemi on da brain.

Putin just wanted da Ukrainians to flourish in da coupes b
 
Iran: If US imposes war, Israel, Gulf states will be destroyed

Iranian defense minister says Mideast worried about conflict risks with Trump, amid president-elect’s vow to dismantle ‘disastrous’ nuclear deal

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-if-war-imposed-on-us-israel-gulf-states-will-be-destroyed/

It is bluster but he's not lying about the type of destruction war would bring,it'd most likely engulf the entire Middle East into a Sunni + Israel + US vs Shiite firepit :x
 
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Gap on Russia hacking conclusions between intelligence, FBI
By Evan Perez, Manu Raju and Deirdre Walsh, CNN
Updated 9:07 PM EST, Sun December 11, 2016

(CNN) The disagreement between some Republicans and Democrats on Russia's intentions in hacking the election rests partially on the lack of agreement between intelligence agencies and the FBI about the conclusiveness of the evidence, officials explained this weekend.

The US intelligence community is increasingly confident that Russian meddling in the American election was intended to steer the election toward Donald Trump, multiple sources have said. That revelation, first reported by CNN a week ago, went beyond the October statement by the 17 intelligence agencies that only said that Russia was seeking to undermine the election, but did not go as far as to say it was to benefit Trump.

The New York Times reported this weekend that part of the reason for the change is that the CIA believes the Russians hacked not only Democratic organizations but Republican groups too, but that they only published documents from Democrats.


Motives unclear

The FBI hasn't concluded that the RNC itself was directly breached, a law enforcement official said Sunday. FBI investigators did find that a breach of a third-party entity that held data belonging to the RNC. But the data appears to have been outdated and of little value to the hackers. The FBI also found that some conservative groups and pundits were hacked. The FBI also hasn't found conclusive evidence to show that it was done to help Trump.

"At this point, there appears to have been a combination of motivations," one US law enforcement official said. "They wanted to sow discord and undermine our systems. It's clear not even the Russians thought he would win."

Officials familiar with the briefings given to Congress say the CIA assessment wasn't as definitive as has been portrayed in news reports this weekend. The agency developed new information in recent weeks, based on intelligence sources, which prompted a new assessment of the Russian hack. That assessment "leans" toward the view that the Russians were trying to hurt Clinton and help Trump. But the CIA assessment wasn't definitive, the officials said.

Part of the issue is the nature of the CIA and FBI roles in the investigation. The CIA produces raw intelligence, the FBI moves more slowly to reach conclusions based on the intelligence and other investigative work.

Partisan differences

And then there's the partisan views of members of Congress who have been briefed. "Some people in that briefing heard what they wanted to hear. We just gave them the facts and it's up to the policy makers to do what they want with it," a US intelligence official said.

That disagreement was evident when members of Congress were briefed on the latest intelligence findings recently and the FBI officials did not concur, according to the Washington Post.

CNN is told there was at least one high-level briefing by multiple agencies in the past few weeks since the election. In that meeting, CIA informed members of its changed information.

Democrats emerged wanting a more public airing of the information. That led to the letter two weeks ago from Intelligence committee Democrats pressing the President to declassify the information.

Republicans who heard the same information were insistent that it was not so clear-cut.

Some continued to make that argument this weekend.

"The certainty with which it is being portrayed that the intelligence community fingered Russia and revealed multiple attacks -- those are being overblown and put forward with a certainty that doesn't exist," said one Republican congressional aide familiar with discussion among top leadership and committee members. "Absolute work of fiction by whoever is leaking this information to the press."

Incoming Democratic Senate Leader Chuck Schumer said Sunday that lack of agreement among agencies is more reason for further scrutiny.

"The fact the CIA and FBI disagree shows the need for a bipartisan investigation to get to the bottom of this. The investigation should be tough, strong, bipartisan and have access to all materials, classified and not," Schumer said.

Congressional pushback

Back in September, at a briefing of congressional leadership, Republican Senator Mitch McConnell was among those who pushed back at a meeting when presented with intelligence that Russia was trying to steer the elections to Trump, according to a source briefed on the meeting.

Also in September, multiple intelligence agencies briefed House and Senate intelligence committees about information they had gathered showing that Russia was interfering with the elections, according to a congressional source close to the process. The briefers did not explicitly say that Russian hackers were trying to help Trump, but it was a clear from the evidence that they presented that Russia was meddling in the elections -- and Trump was benefiting.

"There was no way that any one could have walked out of there with that the evidence and conclude that the Russian government was not behind this," this source said.

That is different briefing than the one McConnell was at where he reportedly pushed back on the intelligence linking Russia hacks to helping Trump.

But other Republicans, notably some key senators that disagree with Donald Trump's friendlier approach to Russia, are now backing a bipartisan review of the hacking that will coincide with the White House review of election-related hacking going back to 2008.

Senator Lindsey Graham told CNN this week that Republicans need to recognize that this is a bipartisan impact even if it was aimed only the Democratic presidential candidate this time.

"It's pretty clear to me that WikiLeaks was designed to hurt Clinton and it could be us tomorrow, to my Republican friends," said the South Carolina Republican. "What if the Iranians hack into Trump's emails, because they don't like him being tough? As a nation, this is not a partisan issue," Graham said.

House Speaker Paul Ryan has also decried foreign intervention in the election.

"All year, the Intelligence Community, law enforcement, and state and local election officials have been working to ensure that this election was conducted consistent with our long history of free and fair elections. The speaker can not comment on or characterize the content of classified briefings but he rejects any politicization of intelligence matters," said AshLee Strong, Ryan's spokeswoman.

CNN's Jim Sciutto contributed to this report.

Vindicated. Once again.
 
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