***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Man Rusty, you ain't an authentic Bernie supporter. You ain't feeling the bern, maybe the heat, but not the bern.

-Why? I would love to hear the reason.

 

[IATT]

the rather large elephant in the room
and these don't even really begin to go into it

Until the US deals with its absurd military spending they will continue to have issues

 

[RustyShackleford]

Military spending is a problem, but I wouldn't call it the most pressing problem in the country

The government needs more revenue, we subsidize the lifestyle of the cooperations and the wealthy way too much, the tax code needs major overhauls.

-And even if Progressive went to town on the defense budget, it would seemingly at best be enough to close the deficit.

Plus it is not a free lunch, many regular citizens are gonna get hurt from that.

Like I said I'm for it, but lets not act like it is a cure all.

I'm happy Bernie is being logical about the need to increase taxes. The Bush tax cuts have cost America way more that both of Bush's wars

-And we will still need to stop tax evaders too

 

[cl-1b]

this country is slowly turning into a socialist nightmare. 

 

[cl-1b]

Military spending is a problem, but I wouldn't call it the most pressing problem in the country

The government needs more revenue, we subsidize the lifestyle of the cooperations and the wealthy way too much, the tax code needs major overhauls.

-And even if Progressive went to town on the defense budget, it would seemingly at best be enough to close the deficit.

Plus it is not a free lunch, many regular citizens are gonna get hurt from that.

Like I said I'm for it, but lets not act like it is a cure all.

I'm happy Bernie is being logical about the need to increase taxes. The Bush tax cuts have cost America way more that both of Bush's wars

-And we will still need to stop tax evaders too

First of all, the corporations are the ones who create the jobs .Just take a look at detroit and how supportive they were of completely ridiculous gov't pensions. Chicago is next on the bankruptcy list. I'm so sick of hearing about all this robin hood bull**** that is breaking down this country financially. 

 

[slighted]

 
this country is slowly turning into a socialist nightmare. 

Just as long as we don't become current Europe or Brazil.

 

[RustyShackleford]

this country is slowly turning into a socialist nightmare. 

Military spending is a problem, but I wouldn't call it the most pressing problem in the country


The government needs more revenue, we subsidize the lifestyle of the cooperations and the wealthy way too much, the tax code needs major overhauls.


-And even if Progressive went to town on the defense budget, it would seemingly at best be enough to close the deficit.


Plus it is not a free lunch, many regular citizens are gonna get hurt from that.


Like I said I'm for it, but lets not act like it is a cure all.


I'm happy Bernie is being logical about the need to increase taxes. The Bush tax cuts have cost America way more that both of Bush's wars


-And we will still need to stop tax evaders too

First of all, the corporations are the ones who create the jobs .Just take a look at detroit and how supportive they were of completely ridiculous gov't pensions. Chicago is next on the bankruptcy list. I'm so sick of hearing about all this robin hood bull**** that is breaking down this country financially. 

Demand in the economy is what that create jobs

Corporation don't create jobs out of the goodness of their hearts. And the supply side argument has proven to be false over and over

Plus corporations are some of the biggest recipients of welfare in America

 

[IATT]

These fools panicked and played their hand too soon, the could have played defense for a few months, just acting like they don't like the nominee.

Then around summer time pull the "Lets wait till next president" act

I expect nothing rational from republicans on this matter

 

[cl-1b]

Demand in the economy is what that create jobs

Corporation don't create jobs out of the goodness of their hearts. And the supply side argument has proven to be false over and over

Plus corporations are some of the biggest recipients of welfare in America

Demand can be created. There is no actual need for something like an iPhone, but the demand is there

 

[cl-1b]

This insurance nonsense is a killer right now.. Trillions in debt and the decision to socialize medicine came at the wrong time. The only ones benefiting are the drug companies controlled by gov't. Over regulation is not the answer. It constricts growth

 

[Betonblck]

this country is slowly turning into a socialist nightmare. 

No, the nightmare was when George Bush was president and the stock market was crashing and we were losing thousands of jobs every month.

That's what you want to go back to.

 

[cl-1b]

No, the nightmare was when George Bush was president and the stock market was crashing and we were losing thousands of jobs every month.

That's what you want to go back to.

Obama hasn't made a penny toward the national debt in 8 years. Instead, he sent us so far up the creek in debt China basically owns us. There were many other factors then bush that caused the crash, but I can tell you this, people still made hella money in the bush Era regardless of the crash. No one is making money right now other then welfare and gov't recipents plus drug companies.

 

[cl-1b]

Corporations and small businesses alike don't flourish by getting overly taxed and over regulated. If you can tell me how this can work I'll be listening

 

[dathbgboy]

Businesses don't pay their fair share of taxes now w/ all the loopholes they jump through. On top of that, all these non-profit entities that don't pay taxes and ways cats make a killing is ridiculous. NFL shouldn't be non-profit, colleges and universities should pay taxes.

 

[cl-1b]

Businesses don't pay their fair share of taxes now w/ all the loopholes they jump through. On top of that, all these non-profit entities that don't pay taxes and ways cats make a killing is ridiculous. NFL shouldn't be non-profit, colleges and universities should pay taxes.

which loopholes are you talking about?! They are taxing business more then ever! This money could be adding to growth and salaries especially small businesses! Now they are forced to lay off and cut costs because of over regulation

 

[gwap]

 

 
CORPORATE profits are at their highest level in at least 85 years. Employee compensation is at the lowest level in 65 years.

The Commerce Department last week estimated that corporations earned $2.1 trillion during 2013, and paid $419 billion in corporate taxes. The after-tax profit of $1.7 trillion amounted to 10 percent of gross domestic product  during the year, the first full year it has been that high. In 2012, it was 9.7 percent, itself a record.

Until 2010, the highest level of after-tax profits ever recorded was 9.1 percent, in 1929, the first year that the government began calculating the number.

Before taxes, corporate profits accounted for 12.5 percent of the total economy, tying the previous record that was set in 1942, when World War II  pushed up profits for many companies. But in 1942, most of those profits were taxed away. The effective corporate tax rate was nearly 55 percent, in sharp contrast to last year’s figure of under 20 percent.

The trend of higher profits and lower effective taxes has been gaining strength for years, but really picked up after the Great Recession temporarily depressed profits in 2009. The effective rate has been below 20 percent in three of the last five years. Before 2009, the rate had not been that low since 1931.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/b...-as-slice-of-economy-as-wages-slide.html?_r=0

people like you are why constituents keep voting against their own interests...

combine your misinformation about the current state of the economy with the myth that welfare recipients are living the high life

you have the perfect formula for the exploitation of the average american by big business interests...

 

[cl-1b]

NY times is completely leftist and one sided to say the least

 

[rolaholic]

NY times is completely leftist and one sided to say the least

This guy 

 

[RustyShackleford]

-George Bush inherited a surplus, and the potential for America in too be debt free in a decade. His tax cuts, and his wars have added more to the debt than anything Obama has done. And corporations have done great under democrats as president recently

-You can't just "create" demand. That rest on two assumption that, every company will innovate constantly, creating the next "it" thing.

If the middle class is eroding, then you don't have consumer base to support a certain level of employment. People lose their jobs, which leads into less demand, and the cycle continues.

That's why austerity measures and tax cuts are such a bad idea to jump start an economy. But an increase in short term spending is

-Republicans, not Democrats and in favor of not deregulating the Healthcare industry. Importing drugs from Canada, allowing consumer to buy insurance across state lines, and joining together for more bargaining power are all opposed by GOP.

-Once again, please point out when supply side economics ever proved to be a grand success?

 

[sundoobie]

Here's the SEC website.

https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html

Tell me the 'businesses' that pay ZERO tax. Every time someone tells me businesses don't pay any taxes makes me laugh cause that is not factual at all. US Govt aren't making 5 million dollar bunker busting missiles taxing that McDonalds employee making minimum wage.

Here's one example...

Nike paid 932 million dollars in taxes for the year ended 5/31/15. 851 million for 2014. 805 million for 2013. All public information for Corporations are right there on the SEC website.. so feel free to educate yourself about how much in taxes US corporations are paying the Govt.

 

[gwap]

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...vQ8YedZG5yBdy7EzOqJua1hg&ust=1455663554123215

high end earner tax rates at historic lows...

 

[cl-1b]

-George Bush inherited a surplus, and the potential for America in too be debt free in a decade. His tax cuts, and his wars have added more to the debt than anything Obama has done. And corporations have done great under democrats as president recently

-You can't just "create" demand. That rest on two assumption that, every company will innovate constantly, creating the next "it" thing.

If the middle class is eroding, then you don't have consumer base to support a certain level of employment. People lose their jobs, which leads into less demand, and the cycle continues.

That's why austerity measures and tax cuts are such a bad idea to jump start an economy. But an increase in short term spending is

-Republicans, not Democrats and in favor of not deregulating the Healthcare industry. Importing drugs from Canada, allowing consumer to buy insurance across state lines, and joining together for more bargaining power are all opposed by GOP.

-Once again, please point out when supply side economics ever proved to be a grand success?

Spending is the answer? Hahaha were almost 20 trillion in debt.. The temporary spending is never going to help

 

[gwap]

 

-George Bush inherited a surplus, and the potential for America in too be debt free in a decade. His tax cuts, and his wars have added more to the debt than anything Obama has done. And corporations have done great under democrats as president recently

-You can't just "create" demand. That rest on two assumption that, every company will innovate constantly, creating the next "it" thing.

If the middle class is eroding, then you don't have consumer base to support a certain level of employment. People lose their jobs, which leads into less demand, and the cycle continues.

That's why austerity measures and tax cuts are such a bad idea to jump start an economy. But an increase in short term spending is

-Republicans, not Democrats and in favor of not deregulating the Healthcare industry. Importing drugs from Canada, allowing consumer to buy insurance across state lines, and joining together for more bargaining power are all opposed by GOP.

-Once again, please point out when supply side economics ever proved to be a grand success?

Spending is the answer? Hahaha were almost 20 trillion in debt.. The temporary spending is never going to help

does paying off the national debt with higher tax rates for high income earners count as "spending"?

spending puts active money into the economy.... giving tax breaks just allows companies to pull in higher "profit"

 

[RustyShackleford]

-George Bush inherited a surplus, and the potential for America in too be debt free in a decade. His tax cuts, and his wars have added more to the debt than anything Obama has done. And corporations have done great under democrats as president recently

-You can't just "create" demand. That rest on two assumption that, every company will innovate constantly, creating the next "it" thing.

If the middle class is eroding, then you don't have consumer base to support a certain level of employment. People lose their jobs, which leads into less demand, and the cycle continues.

That's why austerity measures and tax cuts are such a bad idea to jump start an economy. But an increase in short term spending is

-Republicans, not Democrats and in favor of not deregulating the Healthcare industry. Importing drugs from Canada, allowing consumer to buy insurance across state lines, and joining together for more bargaining power are all opposed by GOP.

-Once again, please point out when supply side economics ever proved to be a grand success?

Spending is the answer? Hahaha were almost 20 trillion in debt.. The temporary spending is never going to help

That was alluding to Obama's handling of the great recession v. Bush's handling of the his recession

Obama faced a worst situation, and was mange to fix it will spending a fraction of what Bush did.

Obama used a stimulus (short term spending) over tax cuts.

And nearly half of the 20 trillion dollars to cry about is because of Bush's wars and tax cuts.

-And if you care so much about the national debt, then you should be in favor of higher taxes

Being fiscally responsible in 2016, means increasing government revenue

 

[IATT]

Hill gotta do better