***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rico x hood]

You have nothing to worry about. Democrats have a stranglehold on the next 50 years of the US, good or bad.

 

[RustyShackleford]

there is no way Bernie Sanders can make more money then trump. Smart man in regards to trade and foreign policy.. not that i agree with everything he says, but i believe he can get us back in the black and out of the red. 

Trump says he plans to bully nations in to doing what he wants, and for his tax plan to work, and not run huge deficits, the economy has to grow at record rates.

LINK, LINK,

Dude would be a total failure in both fronts

-And Trump didn't just start with 1 million (funny most entrepreneurs doesn't even have 1 million to start with), he got his start running his dads company, and some of his business have filed for bankruptcy numerous times

Stop living in your supply side wonderland, at just isn't America

 

[deuce king]

not a big Trump fan but he knows how to give a hell of a speech... he will deff **** on Bern face to face 

I agree. Which is why we got to get Bernie Sanders the hell out of this race if his health and old age doesn't get him out of here first. Time for Democrats to rally behind Hillary and get rid of the Bernie daydreamers. It's time for folks to get focused and serious out here.

 

[kdawg]

You know Sanders is only 5 years older than Trump right? Notwithstanding Trump's doctor's note I'd wager that Sanders is healthier too.

 

[rolaholic]

It's primary season though 

,Dems can rally around whoever the nominee is after...

Also doubt Bern would get "****" on if he went up against Trump,he's actually doing better against him than anyone else in most national polls h2h.

You'll never hear the GOP telling their constituents to rally around a single candidate during primary season,that defeats the whole point of the process 

 

 

[deleted]

You know Sanders is only 5 years older than Trump right? Notwithstanding Trump's doctor's note I'd wager that Sanders is healthier too.

Trump loves his fast food

 

[rexanglorum]

Donald Trump's business career is like those screen passes in football where the QB drops back 20 yards and avoids the sack, throws tosses it to the RB and he eludes several tackles, amazing blocks are made by his teammates and he finally charges up field and eventually gets tackled... at the original line of scrimmage. A whole lot of sound and fury for not much no net gain.

If Donald Trump had taken his inheritance and simply invested it with some good financial planners, he would have as much or more money today. In other words, he could have just done what Paris Hilton did and he would have seen a similar return on investment as he has enjoyed from his "success" as businessman. Like Picketty argued, money simply makes more money.

 

[cl-1b]

 
Trump has been slammed for his statements and actions by many worldleaders across the globe. There's even multiple countries that want to ban him from entering their country, the UK for example. His anti-muslim rhetoric has already pissed off the middle-east. And he's not even president yet.

The worldwide outrage would only grow larger if he were to become president.

You don't think that would affect foreign politics and business?

I don't want anyone president right now thats going to bow down. As a matter of fact him not being liked by foreigners might be negotiation leverage.  We need an overhaul of foreign trade and new revenue sources. We are also the number 1 consumer of Chinese made goods and this is where they can be squeezed. They have been raping us too long and we are capable of becoming more powerful in that scenario. This man obviously understands economics its not hard to see that. I don't care about the middle east being pissed off at this point. There has been a **** storm of problems that have been going on over there before our generation and they aren't going to magically disappear because of who is elected president. If there is a threat out there against us, it needs to be compromised no questions asked. 

This also isn't business - it's people's lives.

A better example would be looking at the employees of Trump's businesses - did he treat them well? Were they fairly paid?

Making money for himself isn't a harbinger of prosperity for all - in fact, it probably bodes better for big business and screwing over everyone else - and that's everyone else, just because you might make $100k in the future doesn't mean you'd be better off under a Republican president, that's poverty level to their thinking.

this is the thing tho.. we're coming off a lawyer president that didn't do anything but regulate and complicate things more. He also is not quite there on economics to say the least, using measures such as temporary gov't spending packages to make things seem like they are shaping up but hasn't done anything but prolong and worsen the debt. We need to adjust things to allow for more growth and income, then we can talk about upgrading lifestyles and paychecks. Also, the gov't needs a layoff if you ask me, too large.

Trump says he plans to bully nations in to doing what he wants, and for his tax plan to work, and not run huge deficits, the economy has to grow at record rates.

LINK, LINK,

Dude would be a total failure in both fronts

-And Trump didn't just start with 1 million (funny most entrepreneurs doesn't even have 1 million to start with), he got his start running his dads company, and some of his business have filed for bankruptcy numerous times

Stop living in your supply side wonderland, at just isn't America

Why would he fail? Also, in the business world.. bankruptcy is a financial tool. Nothing is wrong with this. He is still 4 billion in the black.

If Donald Trump had taken his inheritance and simply invested it with some good financial planners, he would have as much or more money today. In other words, he could have just done what Paris Hilton did and he would have seen a similar return on investment as he has enjoyed from his "success" as businessman. Like Picketty argued, money simply makes more money.

This is complete non-sense. paris hilton is a poster child for a hollywood stay at home celebrity. If you are under the impression you can invest a million and sit on your *** and turn it into 4 billion you need to do some serious reconsidering. 

 

[blco02]

Donald Trump's business career is like those screen passes in football where the QB drops back 20 yards and avoids the sack, throws tosses it to the RB and he eludes several tackles, amazing blocks are made by his teammates and he finally charges up field and eventually gets tackled... at the original line of scrimmage. A whole lot of sound and fury for not much no net gain.

If Donald Trump had taken his inheritance and simply invested it with some good financial planners, he would have as much or more money today. In other words, he could have just done what Paris Hilton did and he would have seen a similar return on investment as he has enjoyed from his "success" as businessman. Like Picketty argued, money simply makes more money.

Interesting. There's so much criticism of corporations keeping their money on the sidelines these days, hoarding their money and record profits instead of spending the money and creating more jobs. Trump actually creates thousands and thousands of jobs through the years instead of sitting on his money, and now it's said that he should have just sat on his money. Incredible.

 

[deuce king]

You know Sanders is only 5 years older than Trump right? Notwithstanding Trump's doctor's note I'd wager that Sanders is healthier too.

Sanders LOOKS like he's 15 years or so older than Trump, at least. In a direct comparison between the two Sanders LOOKS like he's knocking on deaths door. That's what matters to some champ. Also, Trumps brings more energy than Sanders. Like someone said earlier, listening to Bernie Sanders will make you fall asleep.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Trump says he plans to bully nations in to doing what he wants, and for his tax plan to work, and not run huge deficits, the economy has to grow at record rates.

LINK, LINK,


Dude would be a total failure in both fronts


-And Trump didn't just start with 1 million (funny most entrepreneurs doesn't even have 1 million to start with), he got his start running his dads company, and some of his business have filed for bankruptcy numerous times


Stop living in your supply side wonderland, at just isn't America

Why would he fail? Also, in the business world.. bankruptcy is a financial tool. Nothing is wrong with this. He is still 4 billion in the black.

-You put out the criteria that Trump would put the nation in the black, the linked a study showing you that he will drive the nation further into the red unless:

a) The economy grows at record rates

b) Spending is slashed greatly

Neither is expected to happen. So he will most likely just create more debt, and my your criteria, fail.

-Part of Trump's business "success" is using bankruptcy laws to his favor. You can't simultaneously business record to argue that is proof he would be good for the countries finances but ignore that he would have bankruptcy laws to fall back on when he is president

Bankruptcy laws saved his *** in the business world, they can't help him as president.

-The reason he is 4 billion in the black is because his dad handed him money and a already functioning business to run, and when he goofed, bankruptcy court bailed his out out.

-You keep mentioning Obama's stimulus. But like I already point out to you, Obama's handled a worst recession than Bush had, while spending much less money.

 

[MVP]

Dude continues to post utter nonsense every time. Like on just basic stuff.

 

[cl-1b]

Its not like he has some special bankruptcy privilege.. please, these are the same laws any american is governed by. He is just better at working the system that is in place. On the inheritance factor, even if he did gain some wealth that way.. it was like 40 or so million maybe more, no where near 4 billion. Thats no average profit margin regardless of him being given anything. 

 

[cl-1b]

The left had it for some 7 odd years and did nothing but add 10 trillion to the debt factor.. Its time people that actually know how to make money revitalize this slew of debt we're engulfed in. 

 

[MVP]

So he's going to bankrupt us out of the national debt? Or what exactly are you even implying be could do?

 

[cl-1b]

So he's going to bankrupt us out of the national debt? Or what exactly are you even implying be could do?

if he was broke because of bankruptcy you'd have a point but unfortunately thats not the case. 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Its not like he has some special bankruptcy privilege.. please, these are the same laws any american is governed by. He is just better at working the system that is in place. On the inheritance factor, even if he did gain some wealth that way.. it was like 40 or so million maybe more, no where near 4 billion. Thats no average profit margin regardless of him being given anything. 

-I'm pointing out you can't use his business record as evidence he will be good for America's economy, because some of the tools available to him as a private business man, won't be available to him as president.

-Second, first it was "He took 1 million and turned it to 4 billion". No he didn't.

His dad was rich and successful and Trump took over his dad's multi million dollar business.

 

[$tatus $ymbol]

Whose backup troll account is this? I can't even keep up with them anymore

 

[RustyShackleford]

The left had it for some 7 odd years and did nothing but add 10 trillion to the debt factor.. Its time people that actually know how to make money revitalize this slew of debt we're engulfed in. 

The democrats had control of the Senate and Presidency for two years.

During that time he had to deal with the great Recession.

Now you don't understand basic politics

 

[MVP]

if he was broke because of bankruptcy you'd have a point but unfortunately thats not the case. 

What evidence is there of him taking a net negative into a positive, he's always had money to fall back on lille Rusty keeps saying.

 

[Armada]

 

Its not like he has some special bankruptcy privilege.. please, these are the same laws any american is governed by. He is just better at working the system that is in place. On the inheritance factor, even if he did gain some wealth that way.. it was like 40 or so million maybe more, no where near 4 billion. Thats no average profit margin regardless of him being given anything. 

-I'm pointing out you can't use his business record as evidence he will be good for America's economy, because some of the tools available to him as a private business man, won't be available to him as president.

-Second, now it turns from "He took 1 million and turned it to 4 billion". No he didn't. His dad was rich and successful and Trump took over his dad's multi million dollar business.

This is the main part I can't believe this dude doesn't get 

 

[cl-1b]

-I'm pointing out you can't use his business record as evidence he will be good for America's economy, because some of the tools available to him as a private business man, won't be available to him as president.

-Second, first it was "He took 1 million and turned it to 4 billion". No he didn't.

His dad was rich and successful and Trump took over his dad's multi million dollar business.

and turned it into a multi billion dollar business. The student will eventually surpass the teacher 

 

[cl-1b]

if he didn't know what he was doing, he would have spent it, ran the business into the ground and became a gov't worker 

 

[essential1]

You know Sanders is only 5 years older than Trump right? Notwithstanding Trump's doctor's note I'd wager that Sanders is healthier too.

But Trump is the healthiest man to ever live

 

[RustyShackleford]

-I'm pointing out you can't use his business record as evidence he will be good for America's economy, because some of the tools available to him as a private business man, won't be available to him as president.


-Second, first it was "He took 1 million and turned it to 4 billion". No he didn't.


His dad was rich and successful and Trump took over his dad's multi million dollar business.

and turned it into a multi billion dollar business. The student will eventually surpass the teacher 

You still don't get it

Being a private business man =/= Being president

Someone like Paul Krugman, or another top level macro economist, would probably be more qualified to propose a budget than Trump