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It's deeply offensive, and it was offensive when Rexanglorum made similar claims years ago. We know that to be a popular and entrenched attitude in a racist society. As has been discussed, a majority of White respondents to a recent survey expressed the belief that they are discriminated against. They view affirmative action as the "real racism."
As horrible as that is, I don't think it serves our community or our society particularly well to stifle discussion to the point where it becomes "if you don't agree with me about affirmative action, you can't post to our forums." I'd hope that we could find ways to engage constructively, particularly on issues that matter.
A ban is not a step we take lightly.
It's worth noting that you've received an awful lot of leeway, too. There have been a lot of insults directed at ninjahood. He's been called a "broke boi" repeatedly. He's consistently dragged for living with his mom in a rent-subsidized apartment.
Warnings and suspensions have been used in place of permanent bans.
I don't think we're wrong to demand that everyone treat each other with respect, even/especially when they disagree.
I don't believe anyone here has argued that racism is the only form of prejudice in our society. Sexism is a form of prejudice. Sexism is not indistinguishable from racism.that's easy, because racism is a form of prejudice, but not all prejudice is racism.
everyone on earth has been da subject of being prejudged, however i aint buying that it's exclusively just racism.
when someone is a REAL racist, it doesn't matter how talented, or paid, or sexy, or smart you are as a colored person, because according to them, because you're race is black, you're effectively existentially inferior by da metrics they consider important.
a real racist wouldn't trade places with LeBron James, because viscerally his skin/race/identity is that abhorrent.
this spamming of terms "white supremacy" and "racist" has lost its umph that usually reserved for da truly vile stains in our society cuz certain SJWs have broadened and watered down & diluted da terms down to include "a person who doesn't agree with a minority's point of view on social justice is inherently racist" among other things
That doesn't mean racism, like sexism, classism, or heterosexism, is not a prevailing social bias in our society. Acknowledging that racism exists does not mean denying the reality of all other forms of prejudice, systemic oppression, or discrimination.
If someone spray paints a racial slur on LeBron James' property, what is that if not racism? Does Gordon Hayward have to worry about that?
The argument that the only racists are poor White men who would refuse to trade places with Denzel Washington doesn't make any sense. You're hardly isolating racial preference in that scenario. By your logic, there's no such thing as sexism unless a dead man would refuse to change places with Beyonce.
The person who denies a job or a loan to a Black applicant due to a subconscious bias is actively perpetuating racial inequality and White privilege.
They don't have to be the ones spray painting racial slurs on LeBron James' house in order to be complicit. A subconscious bias or basic apathy is all that's required.
I notice you didn't respond to the following, either:
If you don't want to be misunderstood, you'll want to make sure you aren't constantly downplaying or dismissing the racism in our society.
It's fine to say "poverty/criminality knows no race or gender." I'm glad that was your starting point, at least.
Justifying racial disparities in poverty or incarceration rates by invoking "culture," however, is peddling racial stereotype. It is a grossly inadequate and unsubstantiated opinion that ignores the racism faced daily by affluent people of color.
In countless resume studies, applicants with comparable and even identical credentials are consistently favored or disfavored depending on the applicant's name. No one could reasonably argue that a fictitious person suffers from a "culture of poverty" because of their name, and that this, rather than bias, is responsible for holding them back relative to their equally fictitious peers.
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shiiii they could lock up some of my fam that i don’t care for too much if trump was gonna go down too 
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That's fair. I shouldn't insult him. Doing so only at this point only makes myself look petulant, and weakens my argument.
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the JFK dump was a nothingburger.
doesn't matter though. we're getting a tasty burger next week.
doesn't matter though. we're getting a tasty burger next week.
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That's the thing with these Trump supporters, they idea is if you hate Trump, you ride with Hillary, I won't shed a tear if Hillary goes down, as long as the Orange Turd is in handcuffs himself....that would be a glorious day...now if Hillary goes in cuffs and they can't pin Trump....that **** would infuriate me, not because Hill got locked up, but because of how blatantly that would put Trump above the law
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The right has been trying to paint Hillary Clinton has a criminal since the 1980s. If they finally get her afyer 30 plus years, then Congrats to them
Hillary is far from perfect but her biggest sin to old white conservative males is not that she is a liberal, but she feels entitled to do everything they feel entitled can do. And she doesn't apologize for it. She doesn't fall in line like most conservative women.
Like coming from Bernie Sanders, calling Hillary to close to Wall Street, war hungry, or elitist, is a legitimate criticism.
Coming from these right wing pundits and Republicans (especially Trump) it is so hypocritical that you can't help but laugh.
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The right has been trying to paint Hillary Clinton has a criminal since the 1980s. If they finally get her afyer 30 plus years, then Congrats to them
Hillary is far from perfect but her biggest sin to old white conservative males is not that she is a liberal, but she feels entitled to do everything they feel entitled to do. And she doesn't apologize for it. She doesn't fall in line like most conservative women.
Like coming from Bernie Sanders, calling Hillary to close to Wall Street, war hungry, or elitist, is a legitimate criticism.
Coming from these right wing pundits and Republicans (especially Trump) it is so hypocritical that you can't help but laugh.
With you 100% these old white conservatives are straight Scum, the joy I would feel when I see any one of them hauled away in cuffs....dudes must be shaking in their boot straps
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If Kush gets the cuffs, Christie might cry tears of joy.
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They gotta take Trump out, any of his family members go down, dude won't hesitate to pardon them....he simply DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN.
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Lots of NOTHINGBurgers Whataburger, Regular Degulars and INNUENDO AND CONJECTURE today.
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the real story here is that Mueller is colluding with Crooked H and Obummer to block dapper don's AMERICA FIRST AND LAST agenda.
oh, and say hi to Betsy for me. saw your IG pic together. she is looking good tonight!
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that answer is right here..in da article.
Most whites live in largely white neighborhoods, where homes often prove to be a better investment because people of all races want to live there. Predominantly black communities tend to attract a narrower group of mainly black buyers, dampening demand and prices, they say.
same reason da urban clothing landscape has went da way of da dinosaur.
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To be fair to Ninja and to dovetail off of what Meth said, everyone on NT was very fair to me during the whole time that I was on here. Not only did the mods and admins refrain from any major disciplinary action, most of my fellow users were very kind to me, even those with diametrically opposite political views. Add to that, I was able to get away and throw myself into grad school from circa 2009 to circa 2014. I did not post a whole lot (relative to my first five years from 2004 to 2009) and my old discussions on this board, along with a variety of other experiences got me "woke."
I have been very privileged, on this board, and out there in the rest of the World. When I was handed my final credentials, I was not feeling vindicated. I felt liberated. I felt liberated from a burden to prove how "smart" I was. Mindful of the fact that intelligence is narrowly defined as certain scholastic skills, I knew that I was not the smartest person in the room and that the idea of being smart is almost impossible to quantify in any case.
I also vowed that whatever brain power that I did have would be used to challenge entrenched power and entrenched thought. It is tragic that so many of my professors use their brilliant minds and half million dollar educations to defend so many bad ideas. Your job, as an academic, should be to challenge those who are powerful and one would hope that someone who went to school for a decade after graduating from high school, could tell the difference.
In short, I had room to think and to grow and we do not afford that space to Ninja. Establishing relationships, reminding a belligerent that they are part of a community is more important than humiliation and marshaling the better argument. I get that, right now, Ninja is our stand in for Trump, Trumpism and the horrid ideas and policies that spring from both. We need to understand that Ninja is not the cause of this ideology and that people of color will sometimes side with white supremacy because that is a survival tactic.
Finally, we on the left, need to be introspective. I believe that liberals and leftists are correct but it is still worth asking why more than one in every ten black people, more than one in five Latino people and a majority of white women said no to us and said yes to the Orcish, sexist, racist man known as Trump. I pose a question to socially liberal, economically neoliberal finance guys all of the time "when 90% of the Country wants either communism, an ethnostate or a return to an archlibertarian and precious metal based economy, perhaps you are doing certain things wrong when only 10% of the Country likes what you are doing."
To my fellow ideologues, I am not asking you to accept Trumpism or other problematic ideologies but to ask how on Earth it is that our manifestly better world view is so unpopular. All I ask is that we be more introspective and more willing to show those with whom we disagree that they are are still one of us, that they are still within the same communities of interest and from there, we will win over more people.
I have been very privileged, on this board, and out there in the rest of the World. When I was handed my final credentials, I was not feeling vindicated. I felt liberated. I felt liberated from a burden to prove how "smart" I was. Mindful of the fact that intelligence is narrowly defined as certain scholastic skills, I knew that I was not the smartest person in the room and that the idea of being smart is almost impossible to quantify in any case.
I also vowed that whatever brain power that I did have would be used to challenge entrenched power and entrenched thought. It is tragic that so many of my professors use their brilliant minds and half million dollar educations to defend so many bad ideas. Your job, as an academic, should be to challenge those who are powerful and one would hope that someone who went to school for a decade after graduating from high school, could tell the difference.
In short, I had room to think and to grow and we do not afford that space to Ninja. Establishing relationships, reminding a belligerent that they are part of a community is more important than humiliation and marshaling the better argument. I get that, right now, Ninja is our stand in for Trump, Trumpism and the horrid ideas and policies that spring from both. We need to understand that Ninja is not the cause of this ideology and that people of color will sometimes side with white supremacy because that is a survival tactic.
Finally, we on the left, need to be introspective. I believe that liberals and leftists are correct but it is still worth asking why more than one in every ten black people, more than one in five Latino people and a majority of white women said no to us and said yes to the Orcish, sexist, racist man known as Trump. I pose a question to socially liberal, economically neoliberal finance guys all of the time "when 90% of the Country wants either communism, an ethnostate or a return to an archlibertarian and precious metal based economy, perhaps you are doing certain things wrong when only 10% of the Country likes what you are doing."
To my fellow ideologues, I am not asking you to accept Trumpism or other problematic ideologies but to ask how on Earth it is that our manifestly better world view is so unpopular. All I ask is that we be more introspective and more willing to show those with whom we disagree that they are are still one of us, that they are still within the same communities of interest and from there, we will win over more people.
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rexanglorum
I wasn't on NT back when you used to think differently so I ask back then how receptive where you when debating others on here of opposing view points? How antagonistic and or arrogant was your approach back then? Even though you thought differently back then your temperament is that of a person that debates in good faith and peoples temperaments rarely change over the course of their life even though ideas do so I have to imagine you debated the same back then as well just for different ideas.Because I don't think the problem is people not wanting to debate in good faith or have a discussion with a certain individual the problem is when that individual refuses or is seemingly incapable of debating in faith.
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I miss the old Rex to be honest. When I officially joined NT back in 04 (I tried to join in 02 but I missed the monthly membership window) times were good on NT. Guys like Bloc02 and JRose5 were never going to let LIBBIE CONJECTURE AND INNUENDO go unchallenged. Those two were like MJ and PIP in their prime. Bloc02 would call things like they were and JRose5 would use his platform as a mod to tell members like it was through private messages of course. When a LIBBIE joined and tried to cause trouble talking about "racism" we'd call on the big guns
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to clean house. I never really understood the things Rex posted but it sure got LIBBIES on the run. WATTBA.
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to clean house. I never really understood the things Rex posted but it sure got LIBBIES on the run. WATTBA.
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ya call every person of color who doesn't mirror a liberal ideology a ", soft shoe, tap dancing sambo, self hating racial minority....a c***"
not exactly a ingratiating gesture to win over people to your side, i say it arguably emboldens people to defy you and your ideas when you go at someone personally for merely having a different political opinion than yourself...
good job
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Because I don't think the problem is people not wanting to debate in good faith or have a discussion with a certain individual the problem is when that individual refuses or is seemingly incapable of debating in faith.
In the past, my main problem was always trying to make the conversation about me and/or my areas of strength: economics and History, especially Western History.
I never went out of my way to make antagonistic posts about race. It was more the case that I wished that race just was not a factor in our society. Unfortunately, when you are an arch libertarian, you have to believe that America is meritocratic and racially disparate outcomes challenge that assumption. Thus, the libertarian is forced to come up with some explanation for the fact that White folks have so much and POC have so little.
On its own, libertarianism is not a racist ideology but it leads all American libertarians towards the white supremacist orbit.
As far as my debating style is concerned, I did try to debate in good faith and sometimes I succeeded and other times, I failed. What's most important is that I and everyone else here should not be concerned about scoring debate points. Another piece of wisdom from our own methodical management is his view that we need discussions and not debates. I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment.
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ya call every person of color who doesn't mirror a liberal ideology a ", soft shoe, tap dancing sambo, self hating racial minority....a c***"
not exactly a ingratiating gesture to win over people to your side, i say it arguably emboldens people to defy you and your ideas when you go at someone personally for merely having a different political opinion than yourself...
good job
1. I have never said that stuff about you.
2. Thats honestly a weak excuse and you are severely underestimating you're involvement in people calling you names in this back and forths. Everyone has seen the way you've gone at people in this thread too. You are also a major part of the reason the discourse falls apart in this thread you ain't some innocent victim just trying to give his two cents.
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Thank you for your response. And I agree with your last point as well discussions are better than a debate because people see debates as something to win instead of learn from. I've benefited from discussions myself the past few years and have grown on certain things I didn't truly understand. For example a few years ago I didn't understand sexism, male privilege and all that that encompasses, I could've just said **** it since on the surface it appeared like it wouldn't affect me anyway (even though it does) but instead of that I asked myself what if i'm wrong what if I don't understand what if there is something i'm missing....so I decided to discuss and learn in good faith with an open mind and i've become a better person for it and there is still much more for me to learn. I was able to swallow my pride like you did at one point and consider the scary and unsettling thought that not only might I be wrong but I could be unintentionally contributing to oppression because of ideals previously argued. But unfortunately some don't do this, there are those that don't go into discussions with good faith either.
I aspire to be an educator and researcher myself (currently studying political science) I do understand the importance of a healthy discussion I really do. But i'm starting to feel like there are certain individuals who just aren't worth discussing with once they have shown you they do not care to even consider they might be wrong, ignore facts, research, data and just logic in general. And I don't have an answer yet for what to do once hitting a road block like that.
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So all that GOP attempted deflection regarding Hillary/the DNC was really just them trying to muddy the waters and get ahead of the Mueller bomb last night?
Easily the juciest nothingburger we've had so far,I'm expecting another serving soon...
Easily the juciest nothingburger we've had so far,I'm expecting another serving soon...
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in case anyone was having a bad day, this will cheer you up:
read the thread
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