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I wonder if da ninja's "black friends" know how he truly feels about them
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american geography is not my strong suit, but Chicago is a lot closer to Indiana, NYC is to the south.
Indianna government policy as it relates to black and brown people is not the same thing as chiacago, Chicago is one of key landing points of the great migration, of blacks from the south to the north.
I mean MLK and freedom riders decided to go to Chicago and said "I have never seen, even in Mississippi and Alabama, mobs as hateful as I've seen here in Chicago,"
Is it really surprising that goverment policy commited to the disenfranchisement of black and brown has needed up in poverty, violence and social decay?
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That in no way explains the racial disparities in police stops in NYC, which you claim has undergone a widespread culture change.
If the culture changed, why do these disparities persist?
Your universal explanation for negative outcomes (poverty, incarceration, arrest, etc.) appears to be "culture of depravity."
If Black Americans are more likely to be poor or incarcerated, and the only cause of poverty and incarceration is the "culture of depravity," it follows that you believe that Black Americans are more likely to be afflicted by a "culture of depravity," does it not? Otherwise, what would you claim accounts for the disparities?
To what do you attribute this? Random chance?
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I would have to disagree with one of these assertions. Namely the "your pride often prevents you from admitting fault or error". When has Ninja ever done this at any point?Let's make this very simple.
ninjahood , I realize that enjoy playing the contrarian and your pride often prevents you from admitting fault or error. Right now, rather than dispute the perception that you're a racist, you've taken to defending the very statements that lead people to believe that you're racist.
Don't let ego "force" you to jump off a cliff because Barack Obama believes in gravity. There are some things everyone should be able to agree on, regardless of politics. Not everything is or should be a partisan issue. We're all here together, after all, because we share common interests.
If you believe you've been misunderstood, this is your opportunity to clear things up:
Do you believe that Black people are genetically or culturally inferior?
This should be the easiest question you answer all day. It should require no hedging or equivocation.
At what point does it become trolling? While the whole history of basic math errors aren't really relevant to any political discussion, they do all have something in common. Namely that in every case, regardless of how blatantly wrong (such as equating 50% of Trump supporters to 50% of the US population, which is obviously impossible) they were, at no point did he ever even appear to entertain the possibility that he could be wrong.
In every case, particularly the one with the percentages, he tried to act like people who pointed out the error didn't know what they were talking about and not once conceded to the mere possibility he could be wrong. We can all make simple mistakes and it's really not a big deal whatsoever, especially such insignificant occasions.
On its own, fine. But this mentality translates into every single debate, and where I believe it gets tricky is race relations. You are seeing it happen right now with the way he chooses to answer questions.
Even in cases that should be an unequivocal yes/no or a condemnation, if he gets the impression that it may look like he was wrong or uninformed about something he will conjure up whatever mental gymnastics necessary to get out of it. Another example of this is when Ninja was questioned about birtherism. I think we can all agree that birtherism was a deeply racist conspiracy theory that was invented to disparage the first black president of the US. In light of previous comments, I tried questioning Ninja about whether or not he thought birtherism was bad and if Trump should be held accountable for his own actions involving birtherism. I repeatedly asked him this simple yes/no question and he refused to answer it on the basis of "I can't understand your question, learn better English". After about half a dozen times or so and a MS Paint drawing to make it easier, he finally did answer the question but it did not offer any kind of condemnation.
After all those attempts, this is what he responded to my question about whether or not he thinks birtherism is bad and if Trump should be held accountable for his actions involving birtherism:
"da time to hold Trump "accountable" for picking up a ball Clinton inflated was at da voter booth, and by ball accounts, that "reckoning time" is long past."
After finally admitting that his claim he couldn't comprehend the English was nonsense, he simply dodged the question and refused to issue any sort of real condemnation. Voters didn't hold Trump accountable for birtherism so it's not an issue. And it's in the past so it doesn't matter. This is what he went with, also conveniently ignoring the question about his own views and not da voting booth.
Time and again he finds himself defending arguments that invite this perception of holding some degree of racist views.
So I must ask, at what point can this behavior be classified as trolling? Even such a simple question that really shouldnt have any answer besides a strong condemnation, he chose to answer in a vague manner that would arguably suggest that he sees little or nothing wrong with birtherism. Again, this is what he does every time. I am not sure if it is true malice or simply an inability to ever even fathom he's not some infallible genius who can never be wrong or look bad on any occasion. I don't think the intent matters at this point due to the sheer amount of these occasions. This behavior carries over to these race topics frequently, and when he finds himself on the wrong side of the fence he doubles down or dodges. At some point it is just straight up trolling at the expense of many NT'ers who do want to have an honest discussion about racism. Even with an Admin questioning him in a cordial manner, he is trying to dodge and double down on that kind of rhetoric.
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nope, because then you would have to believe a concentration of a black population automatically means violence and gun fire, when you got majority black neighborhoods in DC and other places all over da US with absolutely none of that.. plenty of affluence and money there.
culture transcends race b, every single time.
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it's wild, America spent 100+ incredibly profitable years with black people in chains, erected governments and institutions based on the justification of keeping black slaves, fought a war to end it and rather ya'know going with democracy, decided to just rebuild white supremacy in diet coke form.
after all the brutality, and straight up lucrative thuggery involved in the perpetuation of black disenfranchisement, there has been no reparations, no real tangible race focused remedies, besides like affirmative action to compensate black people for the theft they endured and somehow people act like it's supposed to be sweet.
well **** is not sweet and will never be, yeah people killing each other in chicago, because that's what happens when pile poor on top of each other, that's what happens when you stack poor people in canada, in france, in denmark, in ******* timbuktu. So instead of using it as a cudgel against black people it would be nice if white people decided to actually do something constructive....but alas.
after all the brutality, and straight up lucrative thuggery involved in the perpetuation of black disenfranchisement, there has been no reparations, no real tangible race focused remedies, besides like affirmative action to compensate black people for the theft they endured and somehow people act like it's supposed to be sweet.
well **** is not sweet and will never be, yeah people killing each other in chicago, because that's what happens when pile poor on top of each other, that's what happens when you stack poor people in canada, in france, in denmark, in ******* timbuktu. So instead of using it as a cudgel against black people it would be nice if white people decided to actually do something constructive....but alas.
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I wouldnt bring my kids anywhere near him.
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dude can't not be a jackass for one second to little kids for Halloween 
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I saw a twitter thread on this where someone linked to an opinion piece:
Thoughts? General idea is that he was a rare holdover from the Obama administration and is stepping down now because Mueller already has what he needs:
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/boente-mueller-dana/5724/
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Fresh article from The Hill about more info on the dossier.
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/35...cation-originally-funded-trump-dossier-report
A conservative publication set in motion the research that lead to a dossier that includes unverified claims regarding ties between President Trump and Russia, the publication revealed on Friday.
The Washington Free Beacon originally funded the project through the firm Fusion GPS, a connection the publication’s lawyers revealed for the first time to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday.
The Washington Examiner first reported the connection and the Free Beacon then confirmed it.
The publication stopped funding the project in the spring of 2016. At that point, Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democrat National Committee picked up funding of the project.
The project until that point had focused on researching multiple Republican presidential candidates and was not looking at collusion with Russia, according to the Free Beacon. The former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele also became involved after the publication stopped funding the project, and went on to compile the dossier which is sometimes known as the "Steele dossier."
"Representatives of the Free Beacon approached the House Intelligence Committee today and offered to answer what questions we can in their ongoing probe of Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier," the publication’s Editor in Chief Matthew Continetti and Chairman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement. "The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele."
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/35...cation-originally-funded-trump-dossier-report
A conservative publication set in motion the research that lead to a dossier that includes unverified claims regarding ties between President Trump and Russia, the publication revealed on Friday.
The Washington Free Beacon originally funded the project through the firm Fusion GPS, a connection the publication’s lawyers revealed for the first time to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday.
The Washington Examiner first reported the connection and the Free Beacon then confirmed it.
The publication stopped funding the project in the spring of 2016. At that point, Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democrat National Committee picked up funding of the project.
The project until that point had focused on researching multiple Republican presidential candidates and was not looking at collusion with Russia, according to the Free Beacon. The former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele also became involved after the publication stopped funding the project, and went on to compile the dossier which is sometimes known as the "Steele dossier."
"Representatives of the Free Beacon approached the House Intelligence Committee today and offered to answer what questions we can in their ongoing probe of Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier," the publication’s Editor in Chief Matthew Continetti and Chairman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement. "The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele."
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We were told all along, b. Dems were going to get what was coming to them for all da backwards investigating, so now...
Oh wait.
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There's a distinction to be made between deliberate provocation and stubbornness. Over the years, I've learned that there are sharply diminishing returns as arguments persist, particularly when people feel that their "pride" is at stake.
I wanted to give ninjahood an opportunity to take a step back and express his own views in his own words so that he doesn't allow himself to be chased over the precipice because he refuses to take a step in any direction towards a perceived "enemy."
In the process, I hope he can recognize how and why the opinions he's presented are likely to be interpreted as racist. As has been noted, he's been suspended in the past for making such comments and it would cost him his account, which he clearly values, should the problem persist. If he feels misunderstood, now is the time to clear that up.
If we truly value diversity, we should also value ideological diversity - so long as everyone remains respectful. Some beliefs are inherently disrespectful, however, and racism is obviously in that category.
I understand that the argument in some cases is, "this user is clearly racist, but he won't say anything BLATANTLY racist - so you have to ban him because if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...."
Years ago, we gave rexanglorum a chance. He wasn't banned for being conservative. Restraint was shown, even at times when I and others found some of the content he posted racially offensive. You may not know what he posted a decade ago, but many of you currently enjoy his company and consider him a valued participant in this discussion. That would not be the case if his access had been terminated in 2007.
The temptation to ban him was undeniable. It would've spared many of us a considerable amount of irritation, and with the state of social media today it could be convincingly argued that we deserve a sanctuary from bigotry and hate speech.
It's important, however, to avoid confusing the absence of tension for the presence of justice. Purging anyone and everyone whose views are distasteful to the staff doesn't make positive use of the site's diversity.
We try to show respect and consideration to everyone, even those with whom we vehemently disagree, not because we believe they'd do the same for us - but because we believe in living our own values.
I'd like to think we made the right call, and, for his part, rexanglorum has graciously suggested that participating in discussions on NikeTalk has played a positive role in his life as he continues to learn and evolve.
Is it a worthy trade in that, or any case? I don't know. But I believe that these are worthy values. I believe it's worth trying to extend a hand in respect and work towards a community that is stronger and more dynamic for its diversity.
As @SoleByThePound has pointed out, the new platform offers a vastly superior blocking/ignore system. We will ban users who are deliberately antagonizing others or post hate speech, but the political equivalent of "annoying Lakers fan" doesn't qualify. If you find someone personally intolerable in some way, that's why the ignore feature exists.
You're not explaining why people in these "good neighborhoods" are still subject to racial disparities.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/in...prince-georges-county/?utm_term=.de3a1f3a586f
If culture transcends race, why is LeBron James - your proof that you don't believe in genetic or cultural inferiority - subjected to racism?
There's a reason why Moynihan's "culture of poverty" hypothesis has been absolutely obliterated by social scientists in recent decades. It's little more than Social Darwinism that, when applied to race, requires one to espouse negative racial stereotypes. In a "best case" scenario, its proponent would argue that the purported "bad values" are the result of the "legacy" of racism, yet even this is merely an attempt to disguise and excuse racial biases as "realism", while at the same time opposing any meaningful attempts to level the playing field - thus perpetuating racial inequality.
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Nina still hasnt't answered the question.
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For every Rex, there has been a dozen Blcos.
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And we've tried to treat each accordingly.
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Yes, but Blco was able antagonize and upset members of NT, especially black members, for years on the issue of racism before he finally overplayed his hand.
So while I do understand and respect where you are coming from respect why I am coming from, because you also told me nearly the same thing about Blco at one point.
Being told systemic racism is just a trick being played on me was offensive and upsetting when Blco did it, and it is when Ninja does it. That does beyond simply being annoying. Also Ninja seems to have a much more leeway than anyone else.
So while I do understand and respect where you are coming from respect why I am coming from, because you also told me nearly the same thing about Blco at one point.
Being told systemic racism is just a trick being played on me was offensive and upsetting when Blco did it, and it is when Ninja does it. That does beyond simply being annoying. Also Ninja seems to have a much more leeway than anyone else.
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I for one am sick and tired of Rex's adherence to proper grammar, usage of big words, postings of detailed thoughtful arguments, and an ability to absorb and incorporate ideas opposite of his own.
he has no place in modern politics.
/sarcasm
this thread is actually a relatively good place for discussion compared to the average. ignorance and laziness are the norm outside of here. so I don't know the best way to handle it. asking for open minds is usually too much.
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Ninjahood's leash is a lot longer for whatever reason.
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I think it's because he genuinely thinks he is in the right. it's almost cute.
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Even when he's completely wrong though.
The man is now resorting to describing his ideal of "moral depravity" as some computer download that certain people have uploaded onto them. The lengths at which he's willing to go that fly against the sciences, both social and physical, as well as just plain logic is fascinating.
