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Steezy - who did you back? The vile candidate who is married to a man who raped women as president of the united states AND had the nerve to denounce the claims and actively cover then up?

This is what kills me with these debates ... It's like no one on either side recognizes the flaws or is even allowed to approach recognizing the flaws of their candidate without being dismissed as a bigot ...

NEWSFLASH! You don't have to align with everything a candidate has ever done or said to support them ... In fact, most elections are the lesser of two evils centered on strands of diplomacy that aren't even discussed in the media ... I know a business owner who voted for Trump because he fired 5 people due to Obamacare and couldn't sleep at night ... But he's just a racist bigot *******, right?

0 respect for women? What are you even saying? He surrounds himself with women, ya know, giving them jobs in his camp ... Maybe he said some demeaning stuff ... OK, he also has said some great stuff ... Maybe he made a poor decision in the past, OK he also made some very good decisions ...

The hypocrisy is not only astonishing, it is laughable ... Literally NONE of us could cast a vote if we had to align with EVERYTHING a candidate has ever said or done ... Hell, Hillary was a flip flopping son of a gun her entire career who defended rapists ...

The problem is that people like you refuse to look at the problem with your preferred candidate and instead go on "but _______ also did xyz"
One side acknowledges faults and wrongs while the other throws rocks, hides hands, and talks about who threw rocks years ago.
 
People who bring up the "opposing views" argument for people who get banned for racism, excessive bigotry, in some cases nazi apologism, ... are essentially arguing that those are part of the conservative viewpoint. When CL-1B was banned for nazi apologism, Ninja was parroting the same narrative. When Blco2 got banned for racist remarks in police brutality threads, Ninja also parroted that narrative. And guess what happened when Titanium Tea got banned for racist remarks. I assume Ninja was banned for either his racist remarks or the excessive xenophobia in the past few pages.
Those are only opposing views to basic human decency. For whatever reason the conservatives this thread attracts have a long and documented history of generally getting themselves banned for racism sooner or later. I don't believe this is inherently tied to conservatism of course and spewing racism and other bigotry is certainly not a requirement. But those are the types this thread has generally attracted.
 
Steezy - who did you back? The vile candidate who is married to a man who raped women as president of the united states AND had the nerve to denounce the claims and actively cover then up?

This is what kills me with these debates ... It's like no one on either side recognizes the flaws or is even allowed to approach recognizing the flaws of their candidate without being dismissed as a bigot ...

NEWSFLASH! You don't have to align with everything a candidate has ever done or said to support them ... In fact, most elections are the lesser of two evils centered on strands of diplomacy that aren't even discussed in the media ... I know a business owner who voted for Trump because he fired 5 people due to Obamacare and couldn't sleep at night ... But he's just a racist bigot *******, right?

0 respect for women? What are you even saying? He surrounds himself with women, ya know, giving them jobs in his camp ... Maybe he said some demeaning stuff ... OK, he also has said some great stuff ... Maybe he made a poor decision in the past, OK he also made some very good decisions ...

The hypocrisy is not only astonishing, it is laughable ... Literally NONE of us could cast a vote if we had to align with EVERYTHING a candidate has ever said or done ... Hell, Hillary was a flip flopping son of a gun her entire career who defended rapists ...

You are making an assumption that every liberal was rocking with Hillary, which is WRONG....yes NOONE is perfect, but if I had to chose between Hillary or Trump, the logical choice is HILLARY....unfortunately, We had a good run of progressiveness in this nation for 8 years when we elected Obama and this was the inevitable consequence.

Hear yourself tho, you are faulting Hillary for what Bill did, which btw is completely irrelevant now and let's not forget Hillary is not a political robot, this was her husband and father to her kids, is she the first woman to forgive and turn the other cheek when their man steps out? Specially married and with children....has Melania Trump left Trump? Dude can grope any low level intern right in front of her and she would look the other way, who you fooling.

Is laughable how you try to downplay Trumps bigotry and offensiveness and have the audacity to say, he's said some great things...lol

What exactly you consider some of his great words?

Yes if RIGHT at this moment you still defend Trump, you are a racist....I don't care what you say....if you voted for him I just consider you naive to not see the con coming from a mile away, but maybe you thought he stood for something that would benefit you somehow...however after a year there is no excuse to stand by this excuse of a man unless your moral compass aligns with his....politics out the window...dude doesn't do politics.
 
Yikes
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
Exclusive - State Dept. revolt: Tillerson accused of violating U.S. law on child soldiers
A group of about a dozen U.S. State Department officials have taken the unusual step of formally accusing Secretary of State Rex Tillerson of violating a federal law designed to stop foreign militaries from enlisting child soldiers, according to internal government documents reviewed by Reuters.
 
This just went up on The Atlantic, still working through it but it has been really insightful so far, raises some good points......

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-nationalists-delusion/546356/

One measure of the allure of Trump’s white identity politics is the extent to which it has overridden other concerns as his administration has faltered.The president’s supporters have stood by him even as he has evinced every quality they described as a deal breaker under Obama. Conservatives attacked Obama’s lack of faith; Trump is a thrice-married libertine who has never asked God for forgiveness.They accused Obama of being under malign foreign influence; Trump eagerly accepted the aid of a foreign adversary during the election. They accused Obama of genuflecting before Russian President Vladimir Putin; Trump has refused to even criticize Putin publicly. They attacked Obama for his ties to Tony Rezko, the crooked realtor; Trump’s ties to organized crime are too numerous to name.Conservatives said Obama was lazy; Trump “gets bored and likes to watch TV.” They said Obama’s golfing was excessive; as of August Trump had spent nearly a fifth of his presidency golfing. They attributed Obama’s intellectual prowess to his teleprompter; Trump seems unable to describe the basics of any of his own policies. They said Obama was a self-obsessed egomaniac; Trump is unable to broach topics of public concern without boasting. Conservatives said Obama quietly used the power of the state to attack his enemies; Trump has publicly attempted to use the power of the state to attack his enemies. Republicans said Obama was racially divisive; Trump has called Nazis “very fine people.” Conservatives portrayed Obama as a vapid celebrity; Trump is a vapid celebrity.
There is virtually no personality defect that conservatives accused Obama of possessing that Trump himself does not actually possess. This, not some uncanny oracular talent, is the reason that Trump’s years-old tweets channeling conservative anger at Obama apply so perfectly to his own present conduct.

Trump’s great political insight was that Obama’s time in office inflicted a profound psychological wound on many white Americans, one that he could remedy by adopting the false narrative that placed the first black president outside the bounds of American citizenship. He intuited that Obama’s presence in the White House decreased the value of what W. E. B. Du Bois described as the “psychological wage” of whiteness across all classes of white Americans, and that the path to their hearts lay in invoking a bygone past when this affront had not, and could not, take place.

That the legacy of the first black president could be erased by a birther, that the woman who could have been the first female president was foiled by a man who confessed to sexual assault on tape—these were not drawbacks to Trump’s candidacy, but central to understanding how he would wield power, and on whose behalf.

Americans act with the understanding that Trump’s nationalism promises to restore traditional boundaries of race, gender, and sexuality. The nature of that same nationalism is to deny its essence, the better to salve the conscience and spare the soul.

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GREAT piece,haven't seen an electoral postmortem as eloquent and well written

Wish I could rep twice
 
You are making an assumption that every liberal was rocking with Hillary, which is WRONG....yes NOONE is perfect, but if I had to chose between Hillary or Trump, the logical choice is HILLARY....unfortunately, We had a good run of progressiveness in this nation for 8 years when we elected Obama and this was the inevitable consequence.

Hear yourself tho, you are faulting Hillary for what Bill did, which btw is completely irrelevant now and let's not forget Hillary is not a political robot, this was her husband and father to her kids, is she the first woman to forgive and turn the other cheek when their man steps out? Specially married and with children....has Melania Trump left Trump? Dude can grope any low level intern right in front of her and she would look the other way, who you fooling.

Is laughable how you try to downplay Trumps bigotry and offensiveness and have the audacity to say, he's said some great things...lol

What exactly you consider some of his great words?

Yes if RIGHT at this moment you still defend Trump, you are a racist....I don't care what you say....if you voted for him I just consider you naive to not see the con coming from a mile away, but maybe you thought he stood for something that would benefit you somehow...however after a year there is no excuse to stand by this excuse of a man unless your moral compass aligns with his....politics out the window...dude doesn't do politics.
Yeah I just fundamentally disagree with you ... If I am labeled a racist because I support Trump right now, then you are entitled to your opinion and we can keep it moving ...

There's a good chance that the positive work I've done for minorities can be seen by you each day and I am at peace with that ... Call me a racist, OK ...

I'm not faulting Hillary for standing by her man, I'm faulting liberals for refusing to acknowledge that their candidate has a history that contributed as much to the poor treatment of women as anything Trump has said or done ... Lawyered for a rapistand supported abuse of power and rape ... Regardless of circumstances, it is what it is ... Again, keep it moving ...

Trump's speech when he was elected and at the UN are two that come to mind ... His problem is he just talks too damn much ...
 
The problem is that people like you refuse to look at the problem with your preferred candidate and instead go on "but _______ also did xyz"
One side acknowledges faults and wrongs while the other throws rocks, hides hands, and talks about who threw rocks years ago.
I literally and consistently acknowledge Trump's shortcomings, including his hands, in damn near ever post lol ...

The guy is not even remotely perfect and more than a few steps down from Obama in the diplomatic representative of this great nation department, but he wins and gets **** done and I support that ...
 
Yeah I just fundamentally disagree with you ... If I am labeled a racist because I support Trump right now, then you are entitled to your opinion and we can keep it moving ...

There's a good chance that the positive work I've done for minorities can be seen by you each day and I am at peace with that ... Call me a racist, OK ...

I'm not faulting Hillary for standing by her man, I'm faulting liberals for refusing to acknowledge that their candidate has a history that contributed as much to the poor treatment of women as anything Trump has said or done ... Lawyered for a rapistand supported abuse of power and rape ... Regardless of circumstances, it is what it is ... Again, keep it moving ...

Trump's speech when he was elected and at the UN are two that come to mind ... His problem is he just talks too damn much ...


If you even feel the need to mention your charitable work for minorities shows how morally you line up exactly with your leader, I'm sure Trump himself doesn't consider himself a racist either....it's great that you help out minorities, here have this cookie.

Hillary was far from perfect, but I'm positive she would have looked out for the average joe far more than this clown ever will.
 
0 respect for women? What are you even saying? He surrounds himself with women, ya know, giving them jobs in his camp ... Maybe he said some demeaning stuff ... OK, he also has said some great stuff ... Maybe he made a poor decision in the past, OK he also made some very good decisions ...
:lol

Surrounding yourself with women now makes up for groping them.

This paragraph is just golden.
 
I literally and consistently acknowledge Trump's shortcomings, including his hands, in damn near ever post lol ...

The guy is not even remotely perfect and more than a few steps down from Obama in the diplomatic representative of this great nation department, but he wins and gets **** done and I support that ...

And people in this thread have continuously acknowledge Hillary's short comings and errors. I just don't see where you are upset/frustrated/mad/perturbed.

Trump has gotten some of the most useless things "done" so I don't see what you see. Interested in how you ignore all the racist and xenophobic things he says, does, and protects and still support him
 
Steezy save your breath.

That dude has said some flagrant things on NT about race. He complains constantly about people judging him as racist based on his words, and is probably Blco.

Dude's hyperbole, hypocrisy, strawmen and overall ignorance on all things race, culture and politics is not worth it.

Like he wants credit for hiring minorities. He says that act means he as done something for them and he can't be racist.

People with that level of arrogance are hard to reason with.

One troll just got checked, set us no put the battery in the back of a new one.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-permanently-blocks-trump-sanctuary-cities-order-51288934
Judge permanently blocks Trump sanctuary cities order
A federal judge has permanently blocked President Donald Trump's executive order to cut funding from cities that limit cooperation with U.S. immigration authorities.

U.S. District Court Judge William Orrick issued the ruling on Monday in lawsuits brought by two California counties, San Francisco and Santa Clara. Orrick said Trump cannot set new conditions on spending approved by Congress.

The judge had previously put a temporary hold on the executive order targeting so-called sanctuary cities. The Trump administration has appealed that decision to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The Trump administration has also moved to withhold one particular law enforcement grant from sanctuary cities, prompting a new round of lawsuits.
 
NT is very much heavily left leaning. I think NT had more right wing posters during Obama's first run then they faded away
Many got banned for racist remarks.

And most new right wingers that appear get banned eventually for racist post.

NT leans as left as it does partly because the right wingers couldn't help themselves.
 
I love how these guys turn into super feminists when Hillary comes up. In any other situation if it negatively effects women, it's completely dismissed by these clowns :lol You need to decide whether you care about the issue or not.

Hillary has been heavily criticized by the left. Not sure who's refusing to acknowledge anything.
 
Many got banned for racist remarks.

And most new right wingers that appear get banned eventually for racist post.

NT leans as left as it does partly because the right wingers couldn't help themselves.


Also because of the demographic a forum like NT tends to...is inheritely left....however that's not a bad thing, as I have yet to have a logical discussion with a right winger that can't help themselves and go off on some racist **** to some extent
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-permanently-blocks-trump-sanctuary-cities-order-51288934
Judge permanently blocks Trump sanctuary cities order
A federal judge has permanently blocked President Donald Trump's executive order to cut funding from cities that limit cooperation with U.S. immigration authorities.

U.S. District Court Judge William Orrick issued the ruling on Monday in lawsuits brought by two California counties, San Francisco and Santa Clara. Orrick said Trump cannot set new conditions on spending approved by Congress.

The judge had previously put a temporary hold on the executive order targeting so-called sanctuary cities. The Trump administration has appealed that decision to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The Trump administration has also moved to withhold one particular law enforcement grant from sanctuary cities, prompting a new round of lawsuits.

The anti-Bay Area and anti-California comments on Fox's Facebook page :rofl: Damn these hicks have nothing better to be upset about??

These clowns hate Hawaii and California with a passion :rollin
 
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