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sonoftony
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ninjahood byke?!! dimelo!!
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Gotta admit... your perspective is definitely appreciated. Welcome back!
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I know this. Been saying it.
Still wondering why actual conservatives are supporting him. Yet to get a discussion going about that from actual conservatives.
Not these guys in here just using GOP talking points to veil their hatred and bigotry.
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Because he's running under the party's moniker. It's one of those things where people blindly support those in their party. If Hillary was running under the GOP ticket, they'd push for her hard.
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Where the hell did Ninjahood come from? Ol sittin in the rafters *** dude
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So it's just a sheep situation for real conservatives.
Not about what they claim to stand for just wanting to be the winning team. That was an option. I just want a conservative to admit that.
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Man that's like asking why a Democrat supports Obama whose clearly not a liberal based on his policies. Obama is more moderate and right leaning than most can admit. Everything about his drone program (robots to kill Americans abroad without due process), or continuing to extend Bush's tax cuts for the past 7 years to the rich especially with that ridiculous long term capital gain's tax or his deportation program.
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It's not in their makeup to admit to things that make them seem foolish, that's why they master the art of deflection.
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the democratic party is not a liberal party in the standard sense...
Democrats really are just a moderate party...
the liberal parties are green and independent....
only the right in the US would call democrats "liberal"
in the rest of the world... the democratic party would be seen as moderate right..
and the republican party would be seen as extremists
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Every president has to move to the center. Obama is still a liberal, most of his more liberal policies are dead on arrival because of Congress
A jobs bill, infrastructure repair program, a public option, criminal justice reform, increased tax revenue, increased spending on social programs, increased education spending, etc.
Even Paul Ryan called Obama's recent budget proposal a "progressive manual....growing the debt/normal GOP slander"
Acting like all Obama does is play the middle is simply not true. Anyone
-I'm not gonna defend is use of drones, that is some **** boy ****. But I believe is not as simple as most liberal make it out to believe. You can't ask for no drones, not boots on the ground, and what your government to actively hunt terrorist
This is purely conjecture, but I believe he continuation of many of Bushes policies stem from the fact that the country demands him to actively hunt terrorist (keep the country safe) but they are burnt after after the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, so they don't want to see boots on the ground.
It doesn't excuse his use of them though.
-Obama is against extending the tax cuts for the rich. Which really were the main beneficiaries of the tax cuts. But he is in favor of plenty of other methods of taxation to raise revenue, except he focuses on top earners.
-What deportation program? He has to deport people, it is his deputy as president. He could be impeached if he openly deifies Congress like that. He has also used everything in his power not to break up families, and is calling for immigration reform that has a path to citizen citizenship for undocumented immigrants
Plus dudes wants to bring in Syrian refugees, he wants the US to have less of a role in the Middle East, he opened relations with Cuba, his two SCOTUS appoints have been liberals, he is big advocate of gun control, he is of the left of nearly every major social issue, even on relatively niche political issues his stance on government spying is a centrist view which is still technically left if you look at the country as a whole, and most of the policies he wants pushed through are demand side
Obama is a liberal. You don't have to be on the left on every single issue to make yourself a liberal. It goes the same thing for conservatives
How looks like a moderate because he has to deal with a large number of obstructionist in Congress
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ben roethlisberger
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Sadly, she didn't stand a chance.
She isn't in the bought and paid for 2 party club, so she get's ignored.
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Sadly, she didn't stand a chance.
She isn't in the bought and paid for 2 party club, so she get's ignored.
Basically. One can question whether or not the aftermath of this political race w/ the GOP all but imploding would this open up the public to considering Green and Independent candidates. Then again, funding is always an issue. I feel like politics are like the MLB, no salary cap, no competition.
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Election reform would do nothing but good for this country.
Undo gerrymandering, make voting accessible as possible, undo Citizens United, stricter laws against lobbyist, I could go on forever.
Undo gerrymandering, make voting accessible as possible, undo Citizens United, stricter laws against lobbyist, I could go on forever.
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Nice post.
My point was that it's futile to ask why Trump isn't a real Conservative because obviously he's not just like Obama isn't a true liberal.
I still think Obama is more moderate though.
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I feel there's a better discussion there about conservatives voting for someone who is clearly not and nothing close to it.
Democrats voted for Obama cuz he's a democrat.
Now if you meant why liberals voted for him that too would be a good question for you to pose to liberal voters if you really think Obama isn't a liberal.
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cl-1b
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Why so more illegal immigrants can have voting access and vote left? Please
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Ok, but another thing is that Obama has over a decade of legislative experience that also shows he is a liberal
Presidents move towards the center, even Bush did in his last two years. And even Bernie would if he is elected
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The Citizens United ruling had the chance to start things on the right path, instead it opened the floodgates of the netherworld.
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Very true.
I agree and to add to what else could use some reform is the 2 party system itself. The voting blocks for the two parties are to large right now, this country is to large and ideologically diverse to have two major parties representing most of the people. They need to be broken up but that has a very low chance of happening anytime soon because neither party would want to give up seats because that would mean giving up the monopoly they have on influence. Not to mention the money factor as well right now.
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