***Official Political Discussion Thread***

Basically. One can question whether or not the aftermath of this political race w/ the GOP all but imploding would this open up the public to considering Green and Independent candidates. Then again, funding is always an issue. I feel like politics are like the MLB, no salary cap, no competition.

It's more like the WWE; rigged. Both parties dial for the same dollars.

The politicians pick the voters (gerrymandering). Certain states like North Carolina, Texas, California, don't even have a third party candidate on the ballot. They keep third party candidates off the debates with the 2 party created PRIVATE corporation known as The Commission on Presidential Debates that chooses how many debates they have, what reporters are allowed on the debates which means they pretty much decide the questions they will be asked and they decide who's going to fund it.

**** sounds like something out of a movie, but sadly it's true.

And reform won't work because the corporate government is set up to keep radical change from happening. For reform to happen it has to pass through the corrupt officials in the first place. That **** is impossible.
 
 
Basically. One can question whether or not the aftermath of this political race w/ the GOP all but imploding would this open up the public to considering Green and Independent candidates. Then again, funding is always an issue. I feel like politics are like the MLB, no salary cap, no competition.
It's more like the WWE; rigged. Both parties dial for the same dollars.

The politicians pick the voters (gerrymandering). Certain states like North Carolina, Texas, California, don't even have a third party candidate on the ballot. They keep third party candidates off the debates with the 2 party created PRIVATE corporation known as The Commission on Presidential Debates that chooses how many debates they have, what reporters are allowed on the debates which means they pretty much decide the questions they will be asked and they decide who's going to fund it.

**** sounds like something out of a movie, but sadly it's true.

And reform won't work because the corporate government is set up to keep radical change from happening. For reform to happen it has to pass through the corrupt officials in the first place. That **** is impossible.
So what does America's future look like? The machine continues along as always?
 
 
Basically. One can question whether or not the aftermath of this political race w/ the GOP all but imploding would this open up the public to considering Green and Independent candidates. Then again, funding is always an issue. I feel like politics are like the MLB, no salary cap, no competition.


It's more like the WWE; rigged. Both parties dial for the same dollars.


The politicians pick the voters (gerrymandering). Certain states like North Carolina, Texas, California, don't even have a third party candidate on the ballot. They keep third party candidates off the debates with the 2 party created PRIVATE corporation known as The Commission on Presidential Debates that chooses how many debates they have, what reporters are allowed on the debates which means they pretty much decide the questions they will be asked and they decide who's going to fund it.


**** sounds like something out of a movie, but sadly it's true.


And reform won't work because the corporate government is set up to keep radical change from happening. For reform to happen it has to pass through the corrupt officials in the first place. That **** is impossible.

So what does America's future look like? The machine continues along as always?

Unless a radical uprising happens, yes.
 
So what does America's future look like? The machine continues along as always?

We're kind of in this middle area right now.

There's two extreme sides of the spectrum that are the most plausible outcome:

1. Either the corporate government continues with business as usual and we eventually get more and more rights taken away until the Constitution is completely abolished.

Or

2. Massive pressure of Revolution or straight up Revolution.

Either way, I can't see us staying in this middle area for the next 30 years. Whatever the outcome, it's up to the public.
 
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If we are honest with ourselves it's going to take a catastrophe for America to truly revolt politically.
 
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Basically. One can question whether or not the aftermath of this political race w/ the GOP all but imploding would this open up the public to considering Green and Independent candidates. Then again, funding is always an issue. I feel like politics are like the MLB, no salary cap, no competition.


It's more like the WWE; rigged. Both parties dial for the same dollars.


The politicians pick the voters (gerrymandering). Certain states like North Carolina, Texas, California, don't even have a third party candidate on the ballot. They keep third party candidates off the debates with the 2 party created PRIVATE corporation known as The Commission on Presidential Debates that chooses how many debates they have, what reporters are allowed on the debates which means they pretty much decide the questions they will be asked and they decide who's going to fund it.


**** sounds like something out of a movie, but sadly it's true.


And reform won't work because the corporate government is set up to keep radical change from happening. For reform to happen it has to pass through the corrupt officials in the first place. That **** is impossible.

So what does America's future look like? The machine continues along as always?

Da Establishment has already rendered Bernie

Impotent.... All they got left is to deny

Trump's nomination...
 
^^

The machine has been rolling for a long time and is impossible to stop at this point :lol :{

Anyone but Drumpf is a plus though really :lol
 
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or just the gradual taking away of our rights and trying to justify it on a massive scale.

Seems to have worked already.

They used 9/11 as an excuse to gradually take away our rights and we haven't done **** about it because we're living in fear from the "terrorists".

As long as they don't take away football and cell phones people will remain compliant.
 
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or just the gradual taking away of our rights and trying to justify it on a massive scale.

Seems to have worked already.

They used 9/11 as an excuse to gradually take away our rights and we haven't done **** about it because we're living in fear from the "terrorists".

As long as they don't take away football and cell phones people will remain compliant.
The Patriot Act and everything else really wasn't massive enough. Not to mention how subtle it's effects it has on the ppl on an everyday basis.

I'm talking about rights being taken away where it ends up taking it's toll on ppl. It literally has to be on par with no taxation without representation or an actual depression stirring things up all while the ppl in charge say one thing but do nothing.
 
Recently, it has become harder for minorities to vote because of voter ID.

A good portion of this country is celebrating this. Instead of being rightfully horrified

This whole "we must revolt" thing is all good and well if there was a consensus among the public of what policies they want past, they aren't though. Especially socially

A ton of people, especially minority groups only have access to many of their right because the federal government has to guarantee it. Say what you will about "the system" and "big government" but if does a lot of good for a lot of people, that is why I'm more interested into shaping it into a better performing system.

A "political" revolution of every eligible citizen getting educated, informed, and actively voting (in every election they are eligible for) would do the most good for moving toward that.

Our government reflects the public. Putting the opinions of the rich above the many, only being called to action when a crisis hits, mortgaging your future for better times today, never wanting to sacrifice for the greater good, even when the greater good still benefits them.

In many ways, I feel it is the public that needs to get it's act together more than the government.
 
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If we are honest with ourselves it's going to take a catastrophe for America to truly revolt politically.
or just the gradual taking away of our rights and trying to justify it on a massive scale.

The communistic agenda is more prevalent then ever


Recently, it has become harder for minorities to vote because of voter ID.

A good portion of this country is celebrating this. Instead of being rightfully horrified

This whole "we must revolt" thing is all good and well if there was a consensus among the public of what policies they want past, they aren't though. Especially socially

A ton of people, especially minority groups only have access to many of their right because the federal government has to guarantee it. Say what you will about "the system" and "big government" but if does a lot of good for a lot of people, that is why I'm more interested into shaping it into a better performing system.

A "political" revolution of every eligible citizen getting educated, informed, and actively voting (in every election they are eligible for) would do the most good for moving toward that.

Our government reflects the public. Putting the opinions of the rich above the many, only being called to action when a crisis hits, mortgaging your future for better times today, never wanting to sacrifice for the greater good, even when the greater good still benefits them.

In many ways, I feel it is the public that needs to get it's act together more than the government.

More misinformation, lies and race baiting. If your community is incapable of securing a state issued I.d card maybe your community needs to be addressed rather then make the voting field open to everyone including illegal immigrants
 
The Patriot Act and everything else really wasn't massive enough. Not to mention how subtle it's effects it has on the ppl on an everyday basis.

I'm talking about rights being taken away where it ends up taking it's toll on ppl. It literally has to be on par with no taxation without representation or an actual depression stirring things up all while the ppl in charge say one thing but do nothing.

That's just because they control the narrative on what freedom truly means.

But you are correct. I just don't know what it would have to be for people to finally see through the bull **** and say enough is enough. Which is why I think it won't come from the revocation of rights, but maybe perhaps from people seeing past the illusion of separatism and recognizing the wonder and rarity of life's existence.

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That's 11 million people that would vote left that don't have the right to. Pathetic excuse
 
Recently, it has become harder for minorities to vote because of voter ID.

A good portion of this country is celebrating this. Instead of being rightfully horrified

This whole "we must revolt" thing is all good and well if there was a consensus among the public of what policies they want past, they aren't though. Especially socially

A ton of people, especially minority groups only have access to many of their right because the federal government has to guarantee it. Say what you will about "the system" and "big government" but if does a lot of good for a lot of people, that is why I'm more interested into shaping it into a better performing system.

A "political" revolution of every eligible citizen getting educated, informed, and actively voting (in every election they are eligible for) would do the most good for moving toward that.

Our government reflects the public. Putting the opinions of the rich above the many, only being called to action when a crisis hits, mortgaging your future for better times today, never wanting to sacrifice for the greater good, even when the greater good still benefits them.

In many ways, I feel it is the public that needs to get it's act together more than the government.

How could you say voting is the answer when you know that the two party system only provides cronies to choose from that play ball and proven their allegiance to the elite?

We all know the electoral vote is the vote that puts an *** in that seat in the oval office, and you yourself brought up that you are aware of gerrymandering. So how do you suppose a politician or legislation get's pass that? Reform is impossible because it has to pass through the people that are benefiting from the way things are.

You also mention the good they do for minorities, but you don't mention the fact that they don't have access to those rights because of the government in the first place. They set up a dependency providing less than what people deserve. All I am saying is we don't need a government to "take care" of us. Especially one that has shown time and time again that they fail to do so.

If you are waiting for these liars and crooks to turn over a new leaf or allow radical change, you're going to be waiting til your casket drops. Hate to break it to you.
 
Ted Cruz is now saying that we should have police patrols in Muslim communities to prevent radicalization
 
If we are honest with ourselves it's going to take a catastrophe for America to truly revolt politically.

I agree.

What kind of catastrophe do you think? I'm assuming you're talking about an environmental crisis?

Environmental, economic, terrorist etc.

But it has to be massive either killing or truly impacting tens of million Americans daily lives.

It has to hit all demographics across the board as well.
 
Recently, it has become harder for minorities to vote because of voter ID.

A good portion of this country is celebrating this. Instead of being rightfully horrified

This whole "we must revolt" thing is all good and well if there was a consensus among the public of what policies they want past, they aren't though. Especially socially

A ton of people, especially minority groups only have access to many of their right because the federal government has to guarantee it. Say what you will about "the system" and "big government" but if does a lot of good for a lot of people, that is why I'm more interested into shaping it into a better performing system.

A "political" revolution of every eligible citizen getting educated, informed, and actively voting (in every election they are eligible for) would do the most good for moving toward that.

Our government reflects the public. Putting the opinions of the rich above the many, only being called to action when a crisis hits, mortgaging your future for better times today, never wanting to sacrifice for the greater good, even when the greater good still benefits them.

In many ways, I feel it is the public that needs to get it's act together more than the government.


All of that was too real but let me focus on the bolded part. I am worried that Democratic socialism will never take hold because Americans, even many self identified liberals are horrified at the idea of individuals who are not them benefiting, in any way, from their tax payments.

Older workers resent the idea of their taxes paying for education and younger worker hate the idea of their payments going toward current retirees (despite the fact that this is how social security has worked from day one). In a country where everyone believes that they are the CEO of their personal brand, we must maintain the fiction that redistributive programs are simply insurance. Your tax payments are your premiums and your benefits are the payout.

There are seniors who have received much more in social security and medicare than they had paid in but they and the taxpayers all maintain the fiction that those net recipients "worked for it."

Perhaps, President Obama is a secretly very progressive and his Byzantine exchange system acknowledges the fact that, in time, people who receive and people whose taxes subsidize very cheap insurance will both see themselves as bourgeois payers and payees in an insurance plan rather than participants in socialized medicine.

Maybe Hillary is right to propose a system of student loan relief where debtors pay a small amount of their income for a few years and then have the debt forgiven. Most Americans believe that simply paying for public higher education is for pansies. Instead we must enact a complex scheme of income based repayments and debt forgiveness (which will necessarily cost tax payers money) so everyone involved can believe that they "worked for" their education and never received a dime in "handouts."

In a Country enthrall to a premodern version of Protestantism and post modern Randianism, where morality itself is centered around work and everyone styles them self a middle class mover and shaker, we will have to disguise every single social program as the result of individual effort and make it more palatable for both the net tax payers and the net recipients.
 
Recently, it has become harder for minorities to vote because of voter ID.

A good portion of this country is celebrating this. Instead of being rightfully horrified

This whole "we must revolt" thing is all good and well if there was a consensus among the public of what policies they want past, they aren't though. Especially socially

A ton of people, especially minority groups only have access to many of their right because the federal government has to guarantee it. Say what you will about "the system" and "big government" but if does a lot of good for a lot of people, that is why I'm more interested into shaping it into a better performing system.

A "political" revolution of every eligible citizen getting educated, informed, and actively voting (in every election they are eligible for) would do the most good for moving toward that.

Our government reflects the public. Putting the opinions of the rich above the many, only being called to action when a crisis hits, mortgaging your future for better times today, never wanting to sacrifice for the greater good, even when the greater good still benefits them.

In many ways, I feel it is the public that needs to get it's act together more than the government.

How could you say voting is the answer when you know that the two party system only provides cronies to choose from that play ball and proven their allegiance to the elite?

We all know the electoral vote is the vote that puts an *** in that seat in the oval office, and you yourself brought up that you are aware of gerrymandering. So how do you suppose a politician or legislation get's pass that? Reform is impossible because it has to pass through the people that are benefiting from the way things are.

You also mention the good they do for minorities, but you don't mention the fact that they don't have access to those rights because of the government in the first place. They set up a dependency providing less than what people deserve. All I am saying is we don't need a government to "take care" of us. Especially one that has shown time and time again that they fail to do so.

If you are waiting for these liars and crooks to turn over a new leaf or allow radical change, you're going to be waiting til your casket drops. Hate to break it to you.

-First things first.

The federal government had to fight a Civil War for slavery to end. Freedom in America was not granted to black people from the jump by private citizens. The government had to go against a ton of private and local white racist interest. Same thing with Civil Rights.

It was the Federal Government bringing guns to a university to make local officials allow black people to get educated.

You love to paint this picture of the people needing the government to "take care of them" or scare to live without the government. Well in a way I am, I am scare of what local officials and private white citizens will do to minorities, specially black people if the federal government just went away.

Acting like everyone would just like in harmony is ********.

The problem in America is that private citizens, specially white supremacist, can't put their bigotry aside for the greater good. Just look at the periods of America history when third and independent candidates had more pull. When the government looked out for the working class, through the new deal.

Private citizens, and local government worked diligently to deny black people access to these programs that built a flourishing middle class.

So don't try to act like it has just been the federal government this whole time.

Most of the hate for the federal government in modern times comes from the fact that it got into the business of trying to guarantee equality, instead of upholding white supremacy.

That is true from the Civil War, to the Civil Rights Act, to the ACA

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-Another non racial example. You on the internet talking about how people don't need any kind of government. On the internet, the internet. A system that only came to being because of government intervention, when there where plenty of private companies what to kill the project from the jump.

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-Yes I do believe voting is the answer. American turnout for election is pitiful. We criticize the government for not looking out for the people but many of the complainer don't even show up to hold the officials accountable.

And if you look at voting trends, groups that continuously show up to vote tend to get policies passed in their favor.

And stop acting like the only election is the general in the fall. Their are primaries, their state and local elections too. More independents would have a chance if we can change the system away from what it is currently in.

You want a revolution to overthrow the entire government, with no idea of what comes next, but have you stop to consider that a political revolution of a high actively active public would work to fix many of flaws in the system. And you know, actually make sense

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So yes, I want a progressive well functioning federal government. I could care less about the political parties. It just so happens currently on of them has the **** together way more.

And I have outlined ways on how America can get there btw.
 
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