***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[sonoftony]

welp, guess I'm not voting this year

Aren't you in Florida? If you are, please do, medical cannabis is on the ballot. At least vote for that, please. Thanks.

Yes, I am in Florida. I'll vote for medical cannabis obviously. I just can't bring myself to vote for Hill. Maybe I'll vote 3rd party.

 

[Armada]

 

 

 

Bernie Sanders is doing the right thing and he played this right the whole time. He got the compromise he wanted from Hilary Clinton and is ready to endorse. Sanders understand you can't just treat the political process like you're favorite sports team, the stakes are two high (especially this year) to play the old my favorite guy didn't get it so i'll vote for the other guy or not at all.


*Mini one sentence rant*


People who where on their "if Sanders doesn't get the nomination i'll vote for Trump(or not vote)" tip where never really Sanders supporters or respected him or his policies.

So you prefer people put their support behind someone they don't like all for the sake of the other guy not getting in office? Makes perfect sense.

If the other guy is an unqualified racist absolutely. 

But more importantly I would prefer people be willing to see that there is a good reason the person they claim to support (Sanders) is endorsing the other person (Clinton). Sanders understands this isn't time for personal grudges which he never even had against Clinton like some of his supporters seem to have. He stayed in race to pull Clinton closer to what he wanted in a candidate (in case the candidate wasn't him) which is what his supporters wanted in a candidate and now he will hold her to those things they have come to an understanding on just like we all should now.

Not voting in this election is to risky and also something I have no doubt in my mind Sanders himself would be against.

And Hillary is a rubberband, he pulled her to where he wanted but once she wins, she'll snap back to her comfort zone

Regardless of who's in office, Black America will still be fighting for their lives.

Clinton will only snapback again if we allow here Sanders and his supporters and Hilary supporters should do everything to keep her where she is now. But even if she didn't her comfort zone is still better and more progressive than the other option.

And the bolded part I don't agree with at all Black America under Clinton where she is policy wise now (although not ideal to some) is a FAR better place to be than we would be under Trump its not comparable.

 

[dathbgboy]

welp, guess I'm not voting this year

Aren't you in Florida? If you are, please do, medical cannabis is on the ballot. At least vote for that, please. Thanks.

Yes, I am in Florida. I'll vote for medical cannabis obviously. I just can't bring myself to vote for Hill. Maybe I'll vote 3rd party.

Look at your state and local elections bruh. POTUS isn't the only seat up for grabs. I'd suggest researching now since the media doesn't cover any of the other elections forreal until like 1 day before election.

 

[rillo561]

Yes, I am in Florida. I'll vote for medical cannabis obviously. I just can't bring myself to vote for Hill. Maybe I'll vote 3rd party.

 

[RustyShackleford]

 

Bernie Sanders is doing the right thing and he played this right the whole time. He got the compromise he wanted from Hilary Clinton and is ready to endorse. Sanders understand you can't just treat the political process like you're favorite sports team, the stakes are two high (especially this year) to play the old my favorite guy didn't get it so i'll vote for the other guy or not at all.


*Mini one sentence rant*


People who where on their "if Sanders doesn't get the nomination i'll vote for Trump(or not vote)" tip where never really Sanders supporters or respected him or his policies.

So you prefer people put their support behind someone they don't like all for the sake of the other guy not getting in office? Makes perfect sense.

If the other guy is an unqualified racist absolutely. 

But more importantly I would prefer people be willing to see that there is a good reason the person they claim to support (Sanders) is endorsing the other person (Clinton). Sanders understands this isn't time for personal grudges which he never even had against Clinton like some of his supporters seem to have. He stayed in race to pull Clinton closer to what he wanted in a candidate (in case the candidate wasn't him) which is what his supporters wanted in a candidate and now he will hold her to those things they have come to an understanding on just like we all should now.

Not voting in this election is to risky and also something I have no doubt in my mind Sanders himself would be against.

And Hillary is a rubberband, he pulled her to where he wanted but once she wins, she'll snap back to her comfort zone

Regardless of who's in office, Black America will still be fighting for their lives.

Black America would be still be fighting for their lives under Bernie.

And I don't know it how someone can be I interested in something as the powerful as the SCOTUS being liberal, yet discount the President.

 

[38816]

Or opting to not choose neither of the evils, because you know, you have a choice. If somebody told you to choose between getting shot or stabbed but you knew you had the option of choosing neither, you'd still choose the lesser of two evils?

there is no "i pick neither" when it comes to an election, because we end up with one or the other, so, under your own hypothetical, you would say neither and still end up either stabbed or shot, just, with no choice.


just pick the stabbing. man up.

 

[dathbgboy]

 

Bernie Sanders is doing the right thing and he played this right the whole time. He got the compromise he wanted from Hilary Clinton and is ready to endorse. Sanders understand you can't just treat the political process like you're favorite sports team, the stakes are two high (especially this year) to play the old my favorite guy didn't get it so i'll vote for the other guy or not at all.


*Mini one sentence rant*


People who where on their "if Sanders doesn't get the nomination i'll vote for Trump(or not vote)" tip where never really Sanders supporters or respected him or his policies.

So you prefer people put their support behind someone they don't like all for the sake of the other guy not getting in office? Makes perfect sense.

If the other guy is an unqualified racist absolutely. 

But more importantly I would prefer people be willing to see that there is a good reason the person they claim to support (Sanders) is endorsing the other person (Clinton). Sanders understands this isn't time for personal grudges which he never even had against Clinton like some of his supporters seem to have. He stayed in race to pull Clinton closer to what he wanted in a candidate (in case the candidate wasn't him) which is what his supporters wanted in a candidate and now he will hold her to those things they have come to an understanding on just like we all should now.

Not voting in this election is to risky and also something I have no doubt in my mind Sanders himself would be against.

And Hillary is a rubberband, he pulled her to where he wanted but once she wins, she'll snap back to her comfort zone

Regardless of who's in office, Black America will still be fighting for their lives.

Black America would be still be fighting for their lives under Bernie.

And I don't know it how someone can be I interested in something as the powerful as the SCOTUS being liberal, yet discount the President.

President is 4( 8 ) years, SCOTUS is for life which most of the cats just won't die But seriously, you're right about Black America still fighting under Bernie, I just felt we had a better chance under him. I don't trust Hillary or Trump (obviously) but I felt Bernie gave us a small window to make things happen.

I will say this, w/ Hillary in office, maybe women will finally get the maternity laws they desperately needed. Ridiculous how most states don't have good maternity laws.

 

[RustyShackleford]

 

Bernie Sanders is doing the right thing and he played this right the whole time. He got the compromise he wanted from Hilary Clinton and is ready to endorse. Sanders understand you can't just treat the political process like you're favorite sports team, the stakes are two high (especially this year) to play the old my favorite guy didn't get it so i'll vote for the other guy or not at all.


*Mini one sentence rant*


People who where on their "if Sanders doesn't get the nomination i'll vote for Trump(or not vote)" tip where never really Sanders supporters or respected him or his policies.

So you prefer people put their support behind someone they don't like all for the sake of the other guy not getting in office? Makes perfect sense.

If the other guy is an unqualified racist absolutely. 

But more importantly I would prefer people be willing to see that there is a good reason the person they claim to support (Sanders) is endorsing the other person (Clinton). Sanders understands this isn't time for personal grudges which he never even had against Clinton like some of his supporters seem to have. He stayed in race to pull Clinton closer to what he wanted in a candidate (in case the candidate wasn't him) which is what his supporters wanted in a candidate and now he will hold her to those things they have come to an understanding on just like we all should now.

Not voting in this election is to risky and also something I have no doubt in my mind Sanders himself would be against.

And Hillary is a rubberband, he pulled her to where he wanted but once she wins, she'll snap back to her comfort zone

Regardless of who's in office, Black America will still be fighting for their lives.

Black America would be still be fighting for their lives under Bernie.

And I don't know it how someone can be I interested in something as the powerful as the SCOTUS being liberal, yet discount the President.

President is 4( 8 ) years, SCOTUS is for life which most of the cats just won't die But seriously, you're right about Black America still fighting under Bernie, I just felt we had a better chance under him. I don't trust Hillary or Trump (obviously) but I felt Bernie gave us a small window to make things happen.

I will say this, w/ Hillary in office, maybe women will finally get the maternity laws they desperately needed. Ridiculous how most states don't have good maternity laws.

I was trying to say that arguing that SCOTUS is important, yet discounting the presidency is weird because it is the President that nominates the justices. Hillary picks will not be like Trump's picks. This election is also about the judicial path this country is going to take for the next couple decades.

There are some things progressives can trust Clinton on deliverying on, and that is nominating liberal justices. Even Bill, a true moderate, delivered in that area.

 

[dathbgboy]

 

Bernie Sanders is doing the right thing and he played this right the whole time. He got the compromise he wanted from Hilary Clinton and is ready to endorse. Sanders understand you can't just treat the political process like you're favorite sports team, the stakes are two high (especially this year) to play the old my favorite guy didn't get it so i'll vote for the other guy or not at all.


*Mini one sentence rant*


People who where on their "if Sanders doesn't get the nomination i'll vote for Trump(or not vote)" tip where never really Sanders supporters or respected him or his policies.

So you prefer people put their support behind someone they don't like all for the sake of the other guy not getting in office? Makes perfect sense.

If the other guy is an unqualified racist absolutely. 

But more importantly I would prefer people be willing to see that there is a good reason the person they claim to support (Sanders) is endorsing the other person (Clinton). Sanders understands this isn't time for personal grudges which he never even had against Clinton like some of his supporters seem to have. He stayed in race to pull Clinton closer to what he wanted in a candidate (in case the candidate wasn't him) which is what his supporters wanted in a candidate and now he will hold her to those things they have come to an understanding on just like we all should now.

Not voting in this election is to risky and also something I have no doubt in my mind Sanders himself would be against.

And Hillary is a rubberband, he pulled her to where he wanted but once she wins, she'll snap back to her comfort zone

Regardless of who's in office, Black America will still be fighting for their lives.

Black America would be still be fighting for their lives under Bernie.

And I don't know it how someone can be I interested in something as the powerful as the SCOTUS being liberal, yet discount the President.

President is 4( 8 ) years, SCOTUS is for life which most of the cats just won't die But seriously, you're right about Black America still fighting under Bernie, I just felt we had a better chance under him. I don't trust Hillary or Trump (obviously) but I felt Bernie gave us a small window to make things happen.

I will say this, w/ Hillary in office, maybe women will finally get the maternity laws they desperately needed. Ridiculous how most states don't have good maternity laws.

I was trying to say that arguing that SCOTUS is important, yet discounting the presidency is weird because it is the President that nominates the justices. Hillary picks will not be like Trump's picks. This election is also about the judicial path this country is going to take for the next couple decades.

There are some things progressives can trust Clinton on deliverying on, and that is nominating liberal justices. Even Bill, a true moderate, delivered in that area.

Oh ok, I misinterpreted what you were implying, my bad. And you're right, however the country aint that bad that Trump will even sniff the oval office. And progressives are still in their infancy, many still have problems admitting that systemic racism exists and still impacting the lives of black and brown minorities in this country so I'm not tripping about them, they'll vote Hillary in right along w/ middle aged black women.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Brah don't underestimate the amount of white supremacist, bigots, idiots, and delusional folk their are in America. Trump got a fighting chance

Brexit passed partly because folk felt "there is no way this is gonna happen" and a surprising about of supposed left leaning people voted for it.

-Anyway, Hillary might have a chance to replace that banjo playing clown Clarence Thomas. Never in my life will I be so happy to see a black man lose his job

That alone might make her presidency worth it.

 

[dathbgboy]

Brah don't underestimate the amount of white supremacist, bigots, idiots, and delusional folk their are in America. Trump got a fighting chance

Brexit passed partly because folk felt "there is no way this is gonna happen" and a surprising about of supposed left leaning people voted for it.

-Anyway, Hillary might have a chance to replace that banjo playing clown Clarence Thomas. Never in my life will I be so happy to see a black man lose his job

That alone might make her presidency worth it.

Maaaaaan, we're better off than the Brits because most of us have a little more common sense. A strong majority of us are within the age range where the older people screwed the economy over and we're suffering. The cats our age across the pond are JUST about to go through that so we have that experience on our side

And I'm definitely not underestimating the clowns in our country, but what we have is that some of those clowns don't like Trump either, especially since their beloved party doesn't. We got 4 months though so anything can change but it seems unlikely.

But I feel you Clarence Thomas, dude should've hopped in the casket at Scalia's funeral screaming "Take me with you!" like a mother or lover and people should have obliged him and shoved him in the casket as well, robe and all.

 

[noskey]

Please dont assume most Americans have more common sense than Brits. Just quicky perusing my Facebook today, I noticed a lot of anti-Hillary sentiment from both sides of the aisle. This is just giving Trump more power and support. If that doesnt slow down, or wane in the next couple months, people might **** around and get him elected. Please please consider voting for Hillary for the reasons Rusty outlined. For all of us.

 

[dathbgboy]

Please dont assume most Americans have more common sense than Brits. Just quicky perusing my Facebook today, I noticed a lot of anti-Hillary sentiment from both sides of the aisle. This is just giving Trump more power and support. If that doesnt slow down, or wane in the next couple months, people might **** around and get him elected. Please please consider voting for Hillary for the reasons Rusty outlined. For all of us.

We still got 4 months, the debates are still coming up between them two, plenty of time

 

[noskey]

That's what we said during the Republican debates. Oh, Trump will get exposed, people will realize he's a racist con man, his policies are non-existstant. He flourished and won because he sets the tone and drags everyone down to his level. He plays the audience by stimulating their fears and biases. He'll slander Clinton every which way and attract Sanders voters and undecideds by criticising any and everything, whether there's a basis for it or not. Clinton can try and correct him, but it wont matter when he repeats himself nonstop and engrains that false narrative into stupid peoples heads. Trump knows what he's doing, and we absolutely cannot overestimate the average Americans intelligence this year.

 

[dathbgboy]

He won't attract Sanders voters And he won because the other candidates were a bunch of whatevers talkin bout hand and package size or whatever, Hillary is a seasoned politician who's played this game before, she aint gon do nothing but let him run off at the mouth and throw jab to say "See, this dude's an idiot" Hillary is the Queen of pandering, that has to stand for something.

AND outside of the Uncle Toms and Tio Tomas', I'm certain 98% of the black and brown community will be voting for Hillary

 

[noskey]

Yeah I definitely misworded that about Sanders voters. More accurately, I believe he'll push them to simply not vote, or go to a 3rd party.

And yeah Clinton has the minority vote across the board, and the ninjahoods wont have much of a voice, but this wont offset the SWS votes.

I'm just very nervous that Trump might dissaude enough liberals from voting, and pivot to more religious conservatives to try and gain those votes and somehow we all lose come November.

 

[deuce king]

welp, guess I'm not voting this year

Glad to see Bernie decided to do the right thing and endorse Hillary today given that they both came to an agreement. No doubt in my mind that sonoftony will come to his senses and do what's right and more importantly what's best for business as a nation. He's just a little hurt right now that Bernie's campaign is over but he'll get over it......no doubt in my mind.

 

[Armada]

I have seen an unsettling amount of Sanders voters and talked to them in real life saying that if Bernie doesn't get the nomination they will vote for Trump those people exist and cannot be taken lightly. 

 

[deleted]

It seems like a lot of people were only supporting Bernie as a person instead of supporting the ideals that he represents

 

[RustyShackleford]

It seems like a lot of people were only supporting Bernie as a person instead of supporting the ideals that he represents

Even worst, only supporting him because he wasn't Hillary.

If someone's response to Bernie not getting nominated is not voting at all. Then they weren't paying attention to Bernie's message.

 

[Belgium]

Even worst, only supporting him because he wasn't Hillary.

If someone's response to Bernie not getting nominated is not voting at all. Then they weren't paying attention to Bernie's message.

Or even worse, the ones saying they'd vote for Trump if Bernie lost the nomination. Makes zero sense

 

[whywesteppin]

Or opting to not choose neither of the evils, because you know, you have a choice. If somebody told you to choose between getting shot or stabbed but you knew you had the option of choosing neither, you'd still choose the lesser of two evils?

there is no "i pick neither" when it comes to an election, because we end up with one or the other, so, under your own hypothetical, you would say neither and still end up either stabbed or shot, just, with no choice.


just pick the stabbing. man up.

i was gonna say the same thing. i think his analogy just proves that you DO want to vote for the lesser of two evils.

all things being equal i would vote Hillary just to **** over them ****-boy Republicans blocking Obama's supreme court picks. it's going to be more glorious than Cleveland beating Golden State to see Hillary appoint an ultra-liberal justice when Republicans could've went along with Obama's compromise pick instead. it was a brilliant maneuver by Obama and the Democrats in anticipation of 2017. the Republicans were as predictable as high sparrow getting everyone blown up by not listening to Margery.

i would've preferred someone more centrist but this is what piss-poor governing by Republicans gets them.

and of course all things are not equal, so i have dozens of other reasons why I'd vote Hillary over trump.

 

[rexanglorum]

I am very privileged because I am able to spend most of my time in various Bernie Sanders strongholds (what is it with very liberal having better wine, cheese and coffee?). Over the last few weeks, I have been talking to people in those places and asking if they consider a Bernie endorsement of Clinton, accompanied by policy concessions, to be a victory or a defeat.

The young people overwhelmingly considered the prospect to be a total defeat. The older folks thought of that as a win. On this matter, I am, depressingly, on the old side of the divide. The fact is that people like Bernie got zero traction in the primaries and most Democrats went out of their way to establish their conservative bona fides. What we have now is a Democratic party that is moving to the left, likely to win in November and flip the Supreme Court. We will still be in opposition of sorts but I would rather be in opposition to a so what liberal White House and Supreme Court as opposed to having to stand against a President Trump and a Scalia 2.0 led Court.

Obviously, I wanted Bernie to win but we are still getting a lot of what we want and we are setting things up to get more and more of what we want in the not so far off future.

 

[ninjahood]

This looks bad on America if she wins. We knowingly voted in a person who can break the law with no consequences.

everyone in America with money and power can break the law with no consequence..... so.... she's the perfect mascot

FBI director basically alluded that had anyone else did what she did they'd be fired/charged.

pundits are worried that da liar/crooked charge is cemented cuz she cant "break away" from da dead heat.

NBC polls also show she took damage from da server press conference.

 

[noskey]

This looks bad on America if she wins. We knowingly voted in a person who can break the law with no consequences.

everyone in America with money and power can break the law with no consequence..... so.... she's the perfect mascot

FBI director basically alluded that had anyone else did what she did they'd be fired/charged.

pundits are worried that da liar/crooked charge is cemented cuz she cant "break away" from da dead heat.

NBC polls also show she took damage from da server press conference.

Get the **** over this email thing. It's a ridiculous witch hunt, you know it is, and the GOP is grasping at straws hoping they can throw enough **** at Hillary to somehow convince the morons of the country that she isnt fit to be POTUS. Find something worthwhile to attack Clinton with. This email thing has been a nonstarter for a year.

And nice to see you're back to citing polls when in just the past week or two you were burying your head in the sand and ignoring the polls claiming Hillary in the lead.