***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Apparently Bloomberg is floating the idea of asking Hillary to be his VP

This **** just gets more and more ridiculous

 

[Mark Antony]

Pass.

Well then if Trump wins another 4, shut yo *** up.

 

[IATT]

 

[superblytrife]

Apparently Bloomberg is floating the idea of asking Hillary to be his VP

This **** just gets more and more ridiculous

I **** with Hillary, but not like this. If her being near the presidency takes Bloomberg being in charge, we good over here.

I doubt that would be something she’d do anyways. Seems like she’s resigned to living the non-politician life at this point.

 

[mplsdunk]

That’s still not gonna help him.

He’s been spamming the radio with ads saying how he isn’t racist basically.

if you gotta make radio ads saying you’re not racist, you’re racist.

 

[Belgium]

One of the key figures in the Halkbank scheme was represented by Giuliani. In 2017, Trump reportedly unsuccessfully tried to get Rex Tillerson to help convince the DOJ to drop the case against Giuliani's client.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...de-to-help-giuliani-client-facing-doj-charges

 

[Mister Meaner]

Apparently Bloomberg is floating the idea of asking Hillary to be his VP

This **** just gets more and more ridiculous

As a fan of this political theater, I welcome this.

 

[IATT]

 

[Mark Antony]

What happened to that "thug" term that media used to love to throw around and claim wasn't race related? Because he certainly fits the bill.

 

[IATT]

Jesus.. 177 students...

 

[gry60]

quoted for the truth

Such a boomer way of saying it...

 

[whywesteppin]

Bloomberg is the Netflix of presidential candidates. Spends a ton of money on focus groups to come up with the winning formula but falls a bit short like the uncanny valley and ends up being an inauthentic disaster.

Throw your money at something else, please.

 

[gry60]

As a fan of this political theater, I welcome this.

If I weren't living here and if I weren't invested in this country in one way or another, I'd be looking forward to the ridiculousness of 4 more years of Trump.

 

[whywesteppin]

 

[IATT]

 

[deuce king]

Well then if Trump wins another 4, shut yo *** up.

There’a a lot more to it than just that champ. That’s a MAGA response if ever I heard one. Almost as bad as “go back k to your own country”..........***** this is my country!!

 

[Mark Antony]

There’a a lot more to it than just that champ. That’s a MAGA response if ever I heard one. Almost as bad as “go back k to your own country”..........***** this is my country!!

It's as lazy surface level thinking to equate the two as it is to emotionally pout and take your ball home because your guy isn't winning. Especially when they're essentially in the same spectrum of policy. It being "more to it than that" I hope you are actually being more useful to progress outside of this.

 

[Nike Jordan]

These yt folks LOVE Mexican food and visiting (tourist spots in) Mexico, but hate actual Mexicans.

 

[Present]

If it's between Bloomberg and Trump, I'll take Trump. I like my racism out in the open...Southern style. Never saw a Benz with a Confederate flag sticker.

 

[Mister Meaner]

If I weren't living here and if I weren't invested in this country in one way or another, I'd be looking forward to the ridiculousness of 4 more years of Trump.

In no way was I endorsing Goonberg, hence the qualifier. It's just good gotdamn tv.

 

[RustyShackleford]

If it's between Bloomberg and Trump, I'll take Trump. I like my racism out in the open...Southern style. Never saw a Benz with a Confederate flag sticker.

Nah, Bloomberg is a vile clown, but Trump is another level.

 

[rexanglorum]

So as Bernie seems poised to win Nevada and looks like he'll do well on Super Tuesday, we will here claims that he's unelectable more and more. Get ready to here "McGovern" and "'72" or references to the three big loses in the 80's.

The narrative is that when the left of the Party gets its preferred nominee, its gets crushed in the fall by the Republican nominee and when the sober and judicious Center gets its preferred nominee, that nominee gets on to win the general election.

That's the narrative but it doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The preferred candidate of the professional-managerial class has gotten the nomination in every primary cycle since 1972. The PMC is not the only constituency but it has been the dominant constituency for decades and has owned the Democratic Party at the institutional level, in terms of holding elected office and in terms of its ability to shape opinion via their predominance in the media.

Chris Mathews loves the following sleight of hand: "students backed McGovern in 1972 and he lost big in the general election. students support Bernie in 2020 so therefor Bernie will lose big in the general election." What Chris Mathews neglects to mention is that college students in 1972 could expect, at the bare minimum to be solidly middle class in their post college life. The students in 1972 were Chris Mathews peers and those students are now affluent retirees in 2020 and that group opposed Bernie. By contrast, today's students, most of them at least, face a bleak future. Today's students are much more comparable to beleaguered workers in 1932 who helped to nominate Franklin Roosevelt who won big in the general election that year.

In short, McGovern was not the choice of young socialists, McGovern was the choice of today's Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Klobuchar supporters. McGovern the first time that upwardly mobile Boomers got to pick the democratic nominee and they haven't been stopped until now. It is dishonest and revisionist to blame Carter and Mondale and Dukakis and Kerry's defeats on other constituencies of the Democratic Party.

One last thing, electability to a quality that is given to a candidate after they win. Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama and Donald Trump were not considered electable before the election. After they won, then they are retroactively considered political powerhouses. Meanwhile, former VP's and veterans, the guys considered the most electable get their butts kicked.

 

[youngogjosh]

So as Bernie seems poised to win Nevada and looks like he'll do well on Super Tuesday, we will here claims that he's unelectable more and more. Get ready to here "McGovern" and "'72" or references to the three big loses in the 80's.

The narrative is that when the left of the Party gets its preferred nominee, its gets crushed in the fall by the Republican nominee and when the sober and judicious Center gets its preferred nominee, that nominee gets on to win the general election.

That's the narrative but it doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The preferred candidate of the professional-managerial class has gotten the nomination in every primary cycle since 1972. The PMC is not the only constituency but it has been the dominant constituency for decades and has owned the Democratic Party at the institutional level, in terms of holding elected office and in terms of its ability to shape opinion via their predominance in the media.

Chris Mathews loves the following sleight of hand: "students backed McGovern in 1972 and he lost big in the general election. students support Bernie in 2020 so therefor Bernie will lose big in the general election." What Chris Mathews neglects to mention is that college students in 1972 could expect, at the bare minimum to be solidly middle class in their post college life. The students in 1972 were Chris Mathews peers and those students are now affluent retirees in 2020 and that group opposed Bernie. By contrast, today's students, most of them at least, face a bleak future. Today's students are much more comparable to beleaguered workers in 1932 who helped to nominate Franklin Roosevelt who won big in the general election that year.

In short, McGovern was not the choice of young socialists, McGovern was the choice of today's Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Klobuchar supporters. McGovern the first time that upwardly mobile Boomers got to pick the democratic nominee and they haven't been stopped until now. It is dishonest and revisionist to blame Carter and Mondale and Dukakis and Kerry's defeats on other constituencies of the Democratic Party.

One last thing, electability to a quality that is given to a candidate after they win. Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama and Donald Trump were not considered electable before the election. After they won, then they are retroactively considered political powerhouses. Meanwhile, former VP's and veterans, the guys considered the most electable get their butts kicked.

I never understood the 1972 narrative, there have been by far more Dem moderates who have crashed and burned in POTUS elections just based on pure numbers.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Bernie has a better shot that McGovern because Trump is not Richard Nixon, and white people don't have the same stranglehold hold on the Presidential election in the same way they did in 1972.

If someone is making a case against Bernie's electability, 1972 is a bad piece of evidence. The stronger one would for the last few decades, leftist candidates have most been getting smacked up against Republicans in purple and red districts. The electoral college makes the Presidential race mirror a purple district, so there is a reason for concern.

But there is no way Bernie gets washed. Given the state of polarization and demographics, nearly any Democrat has a good shot at the presidency.

 

[IATT]