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This seems to fit. He tried to flatter Raffensperger and his General Counsel, then threatened them with criminal penalties and reputational harm if they continued to refuse to comply

A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office
(2)knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by—
(B)
the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held,
shall be fined in accordance with title 18 (which fines shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury, miscellaneous receipts (pursuant to section 3302 of title 31), notwithstanding any other law), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

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As always, the "knowingly" and "willfully" elements will be difficult to prove.

It seems, from what I've heard of this call, that he actually (albeit wrongfully) believes that the election was rigged against him
 
dwalk31 dwalk31 i hope you listened to what you not only supported but outright defended for years

and this far from the first tape with that clown.. or his family

Listened to the portions that CNN has played so far. Haven't listened to all of it yet.

But I no longer support him and he should have conceded the election a while ago. This shredded ballots nonsense is ridiculous
 
Listened to the portions that CNN has played so far. Haven't listened to all of it yet.

But I no longer support him and he should have conceded the election a while ago. This shredded ballots nonsense is ridiculous

o so you were gucci with the other tapes before You jumped ship after he caught that L
 
As always, the "knowingly" and "willfully" elements will be difficult to prove.

It seems, from what I've heard of this call, that he actually (albeit wrongfully) believes that the election was rigged against him
His only defense against the intent question is essentially an insanity defense. His demand that Raffensperger comes up with a very specific number of ballots, literally one more than his loss margin, shows his criminal intent pretty clearly.

By demanding that number, he's not asking Raffensperger to simply investigate and correct supposed fraud, he's asking Raffensperger to "find" only a very specific number.
 
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o so you were gucci with the other tapes before You jumped ship after he caught that L

If you ask me about a specific tape I can give you a better answer. But, generally, I wasn't cool with a lot of what Trump said. And I said as much in here often.
 
Instead of the mindless circle jerk of curated (((memes))) going on by biased social pages and (((sources))) meant to shape and change your perception - let me post this proposed bill to the senate off an official gov't website.


Something tells me you're not using those parentheses ironically
 

NEW YORK (AP) — Thousands of minority-owned small businesses were at the end of the line in the government’s coronavirus relief program as many struggled to find banks that would accept their applications or were disadvantaged by the terms of the program.

Data from the Paycheck Protection Program released Dec. 1 and analyzed by The Associated Press show that many minority owners desperate for a relief loan didn’t receive one until the PPP’s last few weeks while many more white business owners were able to get loans earlier in the program .

The program, which began April 3 and ended Aug. 8 and handed out 5.2 million loans worth $525 billion, helped many businesses stay on their feet during a period when government measures to control the coronavirus forced many to shut down or operate at a diminished capacity. But it struggled to meet its promise of aiding communities that historically haven’t gotten the help they needed.

Loan data analyzed according to ZIP codes found that in that first round of funding, six loans were approved for every 1,000 people living in the 20% of ZIP codes with the greatest proportions of white residents, nearly twice the rate of loans approved for people living in the 20% of ZIP codes with the smallest proportions of whites.

That pattern reversed itself over the final four weeks of round two, partly because banks responded to criticism by making it easier to apply for a loan. Over the entire course of the program, the number of loans approved grew and evened out at 14 loans per 1,000 residents in the most ZIP codes with the most and fewest number of white-owned businesses.

Still, minority owners were kept waiting while their companies were in jeopardy.
 
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