Wow. SMH
Its the team director Jean-Louis Valentin, not Raymond Domenech...
The Team Director resigned not the coach.
Yes, that's what they're known for.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
So Italy's offensive strategy is to dive in order to hope to score off of a set piece?
Did you actually watch the game, or are you just retelling old stereotypes? De Rossi was in perfect position to score and was prevented from heading the ball because a NZ defender had a fistful of his jersey.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
So Italy's offensive strategy is to dive and hoping to score off of a set piece?
What game were you watching? Unless De Rossi is over 7 feet tall he would never have made it to that ball. Yes, his jersey was being held. However, the ref should use a bit of common sense. If a penalty was given every time an opponents jersey was being held in the box then soccer scores would look more like American football scores.Originally Posted by PersiaFly
Did you actually watch the game, or are you just retelling old stereotypes? De Rossi was in perfect position to score and was prevented from heading the ball because a NZ defender had a fistful of his jersey.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
So Italy's offensive strategy is to dive and hoping to score off of a set piece?
Anyway, Italy's been disappointing, but they'll still go through by beating Slovakia. Full scenarios updated on the blog.
Right, that's why the NZ defender wasn't even complaining right? De Rossi had his man beat on the back post, was about to rise for the header and was prevented from doing so because he was being held. That's a penalty under the rules of soccer, no matter how you try to spin it. If a defender is dumb enough to grab a hand full of jersey from behind when he's clearly beat, then yes, there should be a penalty every time.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
What game were you watching? Unless De Rossi is over 7 feet tall he would never have made it to that ball. Yes, his jersey was being held. However, the ref should use a bit of common sense. If a penalty was given every time an opponents jersey was being held in the box then soccer scores would look more like American football scores.Originally Posted by PersiaFly
Did you actually watch the game, or are you just retelling old stereotypes? De Rossi was in perfect position to score and was prevented from heading the ball because a NZ defender had a fistful of his jersey.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
So Italy's offensive strategy is to dive and hoping to score off of a set piece?
Anyway, Italy's been disappointing, but they'll still go through by beating Slovakia. Full scenarios updated on the blog.
Italy's entire strategy (up until maybe the last 10-15 min) was diving and hoping to score off of a set piece. It's undeniable. Camoranesi was the only one that consistently put forth any effort in order to create a viable attack.
If you though de Rossi had any chance at that ball, especially at the angle that the ball was coming in at and the angle that Rossi was coming in at, then you must have the average depth perception of a woman. The fact of the matter is that ref's who don't officiate in the major Euro leagues where this sort of diving is prevalent do not have enough experience to distinguish between real fouls and dives. The Italians can sniff out a weak, gullible ref from across the pitch.
To be fair, I was told I had the "depth perception of an average woman" for my opinion, so it's not like I'm just throwing out barbs unprovoked. My initial post simply stated disagreement.
The notion that Italians dive is a stereotype but it's a true stereotype. Stereotype's are not inherently wrong. Especially when they concern such a limited group as a national soccer team. It's when the stereotype attempts to describe large amounts of people (as in millions and tens of millions of individuals; each with their own unique traits that need to be accounted for) that it becomes skewed.Originally Posted by PersiaFly
Right, that's why the NZ defender wasn't even complaining right? De Rossi had his man beat on the back post, was about to rise for the header and was prevented from doing so because he was being held. That's a penalty under the rules of soccer, no matter how you try to spin it. If a defender is dumb enough to grab a hand full of jersey from behind when he's clearly beat, then yes, there should be a penalty every time.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
What game were you watching? Unless De Rossi is over 7 feet tall he would never have made it to that ball. Yes, his jersey was being held. However, the ref should use a bit of common sense. If a penalty was given every time an opponents jersey was being held in the box then soccer scores would look more like American football scores.Originally Posted by PersiaFly
Did you actually watch the game, or are you just retelling old stereotypes? De Rossi was in perfect position to score and was prevented from heading the ball because a NZ defender had a fistful of his jersey.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
So Italy's offensive strategy is to dive and hoping to score off of a set piece?
Anyway, Italy's been disappointing, but they'll still go through by beating Slovakia. Full scenarios updated on the blog.
Italy's entire strategy (up until maybe the last 10-15 min) was diving and hoping to score off of a set piece. It's undeniable. Camoranesi was the only one that consistently put forth any effort in order to create a viable attack.
If you though de Rossi had any chance at that ball, especially at the angle that the ball was coming in at and the angle that Rossi was coming in at, then you must have the average depth perception of a woman. The fact of the matter is that ref's who don't officiate in the major Euro leagues where this sort of diving is prevalent do not have enough experience to distinguish between real fouls and dives. The Italians can sniff out a weak, gullible ref from across the pitch.
I love the creativity in the spinning though. The Italians knew the ref was inexperienced so they targeted him for diving. That's rich.
Some soccer fans are so simple and naive. You hear a stereotype, and you just recount it regardless of whether it's actually happening or not. You point out one instance of alleged diving, and you label the whole team's strategy that way. Those shots that Montolivo unleashed were a result of diving right?
And even if De Rossi dove, was it worse than the penalty in the France-Mexico game? Or the one in South Africa-Uruguay? Did you come and start calling Mexico and Uruguay divers after those games? No, because you're basing your "opinions" on stereotypes, rather than actually watching the games to see what's going on.
So, because they have a history of it, an alleged dive from an Italian to earn a penalty means Italy's whole strategy from the start was to dive, but an alleged dive from a Mexican or Uruguayan doesn't mean the same thing, because they don't have a history of it?
