Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

30 min in to Ladybird. Good so far.

Anoyher coming of age joints.

Shockingly, Saorise Ronan comes off really attractive to me in this. Don't know if it wsd her accents or not having any physical accents but I always thought she was whack. Might be the Kidman effect.


On a slightly other note, Timothée Hal Chalamet might be the next young talent. Aint even know he was in Ladybird. Plus he's in Hostiles.
 
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Finally got around to watching Donnie Darko, pretty good movie. Being as I have been around the time travel movies a lot and use to eat sleep and breath BTTF I wasn't to surprised by the ending. I really enjoyed it.
 
Brawl in Cell Block 99.

Was NOT expecting that. Some of the most violent death scenes I've seen on film.

Vince Vaughn was like a real life Michael Myers :lol:
 
Ladybird 6/8.

Good movie. Given the level of good movies out there and lack of greatness I totally get why its a best picture nominee.

It was a funny, entertaining, feel good, coming of age flick.

One thing I particularly liked is it was set in 2002 and 2003. From the music to the news on in the background, it was on point.

Saorise was good. The mom was also good. Supporting characters supported.
 
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Let me start by saying I truly loved Lady Bird.

That said, its glaring Whiteness feels strange, and like a sad missed opportunity.

The film, which takes place in Sacramento, California, in 2002–2003, is a somewhat autobiographical tale of a complex young woman, her self-discovery, and her relationship with her mother. It has been lauded as one of the best films of the year, and has been celebrated for making a young woman and her experiences both genuine and central, as opposed to cliched and in the service of a male character. It has two people of color who are purely foils to the main character. It features (SPOILER ALERT) one queer character. All of the characters are able-bodied, although there is a character whose mental illness is mentioned.

So many women have voiced that the film, having been written and directed by a woman so intimately portraying a version of her own coming of age, was refreshing and a mark of progress in representation.

Sacramento had people of color in 2002. In fact, that very year it was named one of the most diverse cities in the country! And while Lady Bird features a couple, they are used to highlight the main character, Christine’s, own limited world view. (SPOILER ALERT) The one queer character, Danny, was not so much a person of his own, but rather a plot point that spurred the main Christine into acting like a real human for the first time in the film. Her father’s depression was used similarly- it’s not about dad being depressed, it’s how she responded to it and how it impacts her. None of these people are well-developed, like Christine, her mother, or her best friend, the real hearts of the film.

A part of me is excited to see these roles reversed. So often, women in film exist solely to advance male characters and their stories. In Lady Bird, however, every character exists to move Christine forward, including two male love interests. It’s new and barrier-breaking to see women truly in the driver’s seat, in a film by women, about women, in the same way that films have been about men forever. Kyle, Christine’s second boyfriend, is a straight male caricature who seems to be a light hyperbole of the worst things about men, and is more a plot point than a person (something of a teen boy equivalent to a Manic Pixie Dream Girl). Co-opting this form of storytelling and treating Kyle’s character as a throwaway almost feels restorative. (SPOILER ALERT) Danny, however, could have been a real person. In portraying a queer character, Gerwig had an opportunity to add to the narrow representation queer folx face in media. Instead, Danny’s coming out was really about Christine. The film never actually talks about Miguel and Shelly, and what it means for them to be in this White family. The same is true for her father’s depression- the brief conversation about mental illness in the film was really about Christine’s own self-centeredness and what it would take to shake her out of it.

The problem with White feminism is that it so ardently calls for representation and diversity, and so often fails to recognize its own position of privilege and how that could secure further representation and diversity for even more marginalized groups.

Gerwig may not have thought to use this platform to represent others. Her goal in making this movie was very much to tell Christine’s story, and she did that with affecting skill. She, simply, may not have thought of this as an opportunity to tell more stories than her own, on whatever scale.

Alternately, she may have considered including more diversity in her film, but felt that her voice and platform weren’t the most appropriate for sincere representation. After receiving backlash for the all-White cast of Girls, Lena Dunham defended the show by saying, “I wrote the first season primarily by myself, and I co-wrote a few episodes. But I am a half-Jew, half-WASP, and I wrote two Jews and two WASPs. Something I wanted to avoid was tokenism in casting. If I had one of the four girls, if, for example, she was African-American, I feel like — not that the experience of an African-American girl and a white girl are drastically different, but there has to be specificity to that experience [that] I wasn’t able to speak to.”

Either way, watching Lady Bird feels deeply sincere to Christine (and by extension, Gerwig), and, for the same reasons, incredibly narrow. Did Gerwig just not know many people of color in the most diverse city in America in 2002? Did she just not feel comfortable writing those characters, or consulting other writers in a project so deeply personal? Films like these ask whether adding more opportunities to humanize Danny (as opposed to living as a name crossed out on Christine’s wall), or having more than a throwaway conversation about depression, or including people of color’s perspectives, detract from the pointedness of a tale about the genuine experience of this specific teenage White girl.

In pushes for social progress, such as affirmative action, White women are often the first to benefit, and benefit the most. When they take their opportunities for progress, such as breaking down barriers and becoming successful writer-directors of top-rated films, it is not unreasonable to hope that they would bring some folx along with them. Maybe Lady Bird wasn’t the movie- maybe it was too personal for Gerwig to feel like she could bring other writers or consultants in to add depth to characters from marginalized communities. But that is a way to encourage diversity. You can include others so that you’re not co-opting their stories.

In the last few months, Greta Gerwig has been interviewed by Vulture, The New York Times, Interview Magazine, Vanity Fair, and others. While she has been spoken up on the importance of women in roles of power, she has otherwise been relatively quiet on social issues. I hope she uses her voice, now amplified by this amazing success, to be supportive of other communities. I hope she brings people with her.
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Seems the majority of these complain about the movie not being something that was important or relevant to them. Then worry about if these ppl being praises will do the right thing.


Man, time to do for yourself.
 
I'm about to get it in.
If you wrote it I'd like to wait until after the viewing, and read it.
If it's an article I'd like to read it prior to.
 
Why do people always have some **** to say about flicks? Eat your nachos and enjoy the movie.
 
So did anyone else see Brawl in Cell Block 99? Very Tarantino-esque. Interested to hear peoples' thoughts.
 
Trying to bang out 5-6 movies today :lol:

I, Tonya, Darkest Hour, Den of Thieves, Shape of Water, Maze Runner: Death Cure, and Hostiles.

Watching Darkest Hour now.
 
Some amcs around me have a marathon showing all the best picture nominees. It’s like 70 bucks.
 
Darkest Hour 7/8

Gary Oldman is unrecognizable as Churchill. Wouldn't know it was him ahead of time. As time goes on I think they even made him a bit fatter and older. 20 min in to it and you just know this is gonna be greatness as an acting performance.

I've been hesitant cuz I just haven't been in the mood for a wartime flick but this story really drew me in since its way more about Churchill's struggle to lead his country to survival and victory.

Oldman is a sure thing for best actor. Don't think this is a prisoner of the moment feeling either. DDL was great but not like this. Timothée and Daniel were good but no comparison. Denzel was great and is a threat but his movie was nowhere near as good.


I, Tonya 6.7/8

This was fun, entertaining, mad funny, and heartfelt.

Some of the cgi or sfx to do the skating maneuvers were too obvious.

I am shocked though. The rumor I always assumed was true was that Tonya broke Nancy's knee. Come tonfind out she didn't do it and had nothing to do with it.

This Shawn guy :rofl: :rofl: Son is mind numbingly dumb delusional and it is so funny.

Story went from underdog to scumbag status.

The writing and directing was on point. Tonya had a ****** up life even if some of this was exaggerated.

Margot was great. Like she can act, digging her wheelhouse. Don't look a damn thing like Tonya even when they tried to ugly her up.

Sebastian Stan should've got a supporting actor nom. He was really good in this. Played a real good dumb scumbag.

Alison Janney was dynamite with her scenes. Hilarious and such a terrible person/mother.

I'm beginning to notice a lot of similar themes with a good amount of these movies.
 
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