Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[6pac]

datpiff's app been out since 2011 at least and it been let u download offline.

think some of ya showing how terrible apple is with da closed garden OS (Android FTW)

Yeah the app I had was LiveMixtapes.

Although I feel like DatPiff's app was trash for me to be using LiveMixtapes in the first place bc DatPiff was the **** when the decade started lol.

And downloading offline ain't the problem it's them deleting your library if you delete the app (which often has to be done bc of storage) which renders them forcing you to make an account pointless.

 

[6pac]

The next hit joe Budden will hate

At least these ****** slowly getting back to rapping and done being on that singing ****.

Baby steps.

 

[6pac]

its so serious they drop a lyrics video 1st to double dip before da actual visual drops.

i noticed this too. some ppl can hit a lick 3 times.

audio
lyric video
music video

with dozens of millions of views on each.

 

[6pac]

Boosie and Webbie are major influences on the South Florida hood **** in general.

fronts and a Boosie fade is like the hop off the porch starter pack

That's the OG project baby

someone from south florida tell me who started wicks.

Spoiler

 

[6pac]

He stated continuously that he hasn't heard Kodak's music
He stated continuously that he doesn't wanna give him a chance because everytime he sees him Kodak is acting Foolish
He stated continuously that he can't separate the music from the actions, he expects the two to lineup
He stated that the kind of street music he likes, is made by rappers who are more lyrical, who's lyrics are extremely coherent, & who's personas they display are more of a "grown" nature

Based off all we've seen from Kodak.......... why is Joe wrong for not wanting to listen to his music, based off all the things he's stated he doesn't like?

because if you've heard kodak's music it perfectly lines up with his IRL persona

wild young hood ***** who shows flashes of consciousness every now and then but he's still a 20 year old hood ***** from broward county and that dynamic is why we loved pac, boosie and all the other rappers who were truly street but had a conscious side to them

the true issue is that ppl want safe hood rappers which really cant exist at least not from someone under 30, under 25...we laugh at someone like slim jesus for openly saying he's just making trap songs for fun and isnt in the field but then we call meek and kodak idiots when they fall back into trouble from their pre-music life...which one do ppl want

if 2pac came out today would joe write him off for spitting at cameras, catching rape cases and beating up nerdy movie directors for creative differences...rappers are rappers

joe is funny with who he chooses to send little snubs @ and why he chooses to do so...everything you just said as for why he doesnt like kodak could be extended 10x more to xxxtentacion

 

[trynafeelmink]

because that extra work you put in artistry doesn't always translate into success or even acknowledgement to people who critique music.

Joe put hard work into his craft and he only got but so far, certain mumble rappers lapped him 3x already with a miniscule amount of work in comparison. its just a sign of a different era.

lapped him three times in what exactly?? why in the hell do you think that Joe budden is jealous of lil yachty of all people

Yachty is literally the polar opposite of everything Joe stands for....... yet you believe that Joe would rather have lil yachty's career rather then one that has spanned almost 15 years now? i'm confused.

 

[P C H]

if 2pac came out today would joe write him off for spitting at cameras, catching rape cases and beating up nerdy movie directors for creative differences...rappers are rappers

joe is funny with who he chooses to send little snubs @ and why he chooses to do so...everything you just said as for why he doesnt like kodak could be extended 10x more to xxxtentacion

DAMN.

 

[trynafeelmink]

If your profession is now to talk about this type music...you should probably listen to the music. The mental gymnastics Joe goes through to justify some of his takes is pretty blatantly void of any sane logic at times. If he wants to actually be the straightforward, hold no punches type of media guy...just keep it 100 and say you don't **** with them because you just don't like them. It is what it is. **** I feel the same way. It's plenty of rappers I just don't like and will never give a chance. Just say that ****. Stop acting like it's "hard" for you to listen because of so and so and just say you DONT want to listen.

I don't even think he NEEDS to listen to Kodak or any other artist when it comes to talking about sales, impact, marketability, etc. If your ear is to the streets (the internet) than you sort of know what's what without needing to be familiar with an artist's catalog. I don't listen to Kodak Black...but I'm well aware of what the consensus is on him...who is fans are and what his reach is. Which is enough for me not to make a ridiculous comparison to the little Cash Me Outside rat in terms of why they're in the positions they are in.

This is what i'm not getting tho he 100% does state that he doesn't listen to certain artist OFTEN. the whole he's a hater narrative comes from him openly not liking a lot of the new rappers. He blatantly said Kodak acts like a fool so he doesn't give his music a listen. He admit's to never wanting to hear guys like lil pump or Ski Mask, trippy redd etc etc because of there look, names, IG videos etc etc. He admit's to this ALL THE TIME on the show.

Also from week 1 of the show he has stated that he doesn't care about these lil ****** and he doesn't have to & won't listen to a lot of these artist. And he's 1000% correct because he's kept that stance the entire time and the show has grown more and more, Complex is clearly fine with him not being knowledgeable on these artist. Not to mention there's dozens upon dozens of artist and subjects they can speak on in place of asking him questions about artist he clearly doesn't care about. Yet they do because it works & people still find a way to be upset and flustered by the opinion of someone who BLATANTLY doesn't care or isn't informed on certain artist.

If people claim he's not knowledgeable & shows no effort in listening to a lot of the newer artist (aka newer rappers in the trap lane) why are people always so hyped to criticize his opinions, there is 0 logic in that, yet fans and artist alike continue to validate his opinion more by reacting.

 

[6pac]

If people claim he's not knowledgeable & shows no effort in listening to a lot of the newer artist (aka newer rappers in the trap lane) why are people always so hyped to criticize his opinions, there is 0 logic in that, yet fans and artist alike continue to validate his opinion more by reacting.

because he's polarizing and fascinating and IMO it's an act or something he's putting sauce on.

like someone pointed out earlier, he's literally been this character for a decade in his non-music content (YouTube, reality shows, etc.). an unapologetic ******* who just happens to b funny while doing so a lot of the time. "i didnt sit on her stomach i sat under her breasts"

budden on ES character is like if one day Stephen A. just stopped watching NBA games and said Westbrook is trash because he dresses like a fruitypie

 

[wavycrocket]

Budden the type to say...."Steph Curry is just a shooter"

 

[ninjahood]

And downloading offline ain't the problem it's them deleting your library if you delete the app (which often has to be done bc of storage) which renders them forcing you to make an account pointless.

all you gotta do is move da songs outta da app folder it creates and move to to your main music folder (file managers like Astro easily help you do that)

that has nothing to do wit da caliber of Datpiff or livemixtapes as a app, you gotta know what you're doing when you're deleting stuff.

 

[trynafeelmink]

because if you've heard kodak's music it perfectly lines up with his IRL persona

wild young hood ***** who shows flashes of consciousness every now and then but he's still a 20 year old hood ***** from broward county and that dynamic is why we loved pac, boosie and all the other rappers who were truly street but had a conscious side to them

the true issue is that ppl want safe hood rappers which really cant exist at least not from someone under 30, under 25...we laugh at someone like slim jesus for openly saying he's just making trap songs for fun and isnt in the field but then we call meek and kodak idiots when they fall back into trouble from their pre-music life...which one do ppl want

if 2pac came out today would joe write him off for spitting at cameras, catching rape cases and beating up nerdy movie directors for creative differences...rappers are rappers

joe is funny with who he chooses to send little snubs @ and why he chooses to do so...everything you just said as for why he doesnt like kodak could be extended 10x more to xxxtentacion

Beloved please don't ever mention Tupac's image and Kodak image in the same light..... EVER

Again this isn't about a young street ***** making mistakes or catching cases... this is about the difference between being a flawed human being & coming off like a complete buffoon. there's a huge gap between the two and that's what Joe was talking about.

Bibby, Herb, Don Q, A-boogie, Migos, 21 Savage etc etc are all fairly young rappers who speak street ****.... who don't come across in their regular everyday lives like straight fools. there's a difference between making the wrong decision and straight up acting a fool at all times.

 

[ninjahood]

lapped him three times in what exactly?? why in the hell do you think that Joe budden is jealous of lil yachty of all people

im just using lil yachty as a vague example.

Joe Budden did get lapped by boat in da commerical success dept though.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Son really just said people like Tupac & Kodak for the same reasons

****** would have been calling pac a fake deep hotep if he was coming up in this era.

 

[tay1]

Beloved please don't ever mention Tupac's image and Kodak image in the same light..... EVER

Again this isn't about a young street ***** making mistakes or catching cases... this is about the difference between being a flawed human being & coming off like a complete buffoon. there's a huge gap between the two and that's what Joe was talking about.

Bibby, Herb, Don Q, A-boogie, Migos, 21 Savage etc etc are all fairly young rappers who speak street ****.... who don't come across in their regular everyday lives like straight fools. there's a difference between making the wrong decision and straight up acting a fool at all times.

Tupac did come off as a hot headed bafoon at times. His music proved he wasn't. Same as Kodak. That's the point he's tryna make.

 

[trynafeelmink]

im just using lil yachty as a vague example.

Joe Budden did get lapped by boat in da commerical success dept though.

Yes as far as commercial success other rappers of HIS time lapped him, however his career has outlasted many of there's, he's released better music, and he's done it while artistically being able to have the freedom that most of his piers didn't because they were forced to keep chasing hits.

 

[6pac]

Beloved please don't ever mention Tupac's image and Kodak image in the same light..... EVER

Again this isn't about a young street ***** making mistakes or catching cases... this is about the difference between being a flawed human being & coming off like a complete buffoon. there's a huge gap between the two and that's what Joe was talking about.

Bibby, Herb, Don Q, A-boogie, Migos, 21 Savage etc etc are all fairly young rappers who speak street ****.... who don't come across in their regular everyday lives like straight fools. there's a difference between making the wrong decision and straight up acting a fool at all times.

I wasn't specifically comparing the two, just the idea that they were both wilding at the same ages. Would Joe react the same way to a modern Pac as he does Kodak?

Pac is a "flawed human being" after we've romanticized him and his legacy for 2 decades and most everyone in here wasn't older than 10-15 in 1996, if they were even alive, so we can't look at it from the same scope. But Pac was just as wild if not wilder because he seemed almost suicidal with how reckless he was.

Thread would jump 5-6 pages full of hot takes calling Kodak a bully if he came on ES bragging about beating up Jordan Peele or some **** like Pac did on YO!. People laughed at the idea of Cole just coming out of nowhere repping PDE/No Plug but that's what Pac did essentially. And this isn't to **** on Pac, it's just saying that it's unfair to write off <25 year old hood ****** for being <25 year old hood ******. Like Pac himself said, ****** just need a chance to grow up.

And I don't really know those dudes' backgrounds but it's a difference between someone being from the hood or selling weed to college students and someone being an actual jackboy/someone who kicks in doors and ****. Kodak seems like a naturally wilder dude than everyone you just named aside from 21 but again I don't know these folks resumes lol.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Tupac did come off as a hot headed bafoon at times. His music proved he wasn't. Same as Kodak. That's the point he's tryna make.

his music and his ACTIONS

I 1000% get what he was trying to say.... the fact of the matter is under no circumstance was the general publics view of Tupac the same as the general public views on Kodak today... We aren't gonna just let that slide.

Tupac From day one was letting it be known that he was an articulate dude, was well read, was into community development and came from a militant background. And that is in interviews, recordings, videos etc etc. He also showed his flawed side, but even in those wasn't nobody looking at pac like he was dumb or stupid. They looked at him as a hot head sure, little out of control at times sure.

But nobody questioned if Pac was stupid, or a man w/o principles.... we are not even gonna begin to push that narrative.

 

[6pac]

Son really just said people like Tupac & Kodak for the same reasons

*****s would have been calling pac a fake deep hotep if he was coming up in this era.

Your second sentence isn't false.

The appeal of Boosie, Kodak and Pac are very similar. Maybe not so much from the perspective of Pac being a movie star and having the girls and all that but musically, what they lack in double entendres and **** they make up for in just saying real **** you can feel and Boosie/Pac have those same almost religious type fanbases because their music got people through some tough ****, it wasn't always Set It Off or Hail Mary, they had some **** that would help you cope w your situation and in time I feel like people gonna feel the same about Kodak's catalog.

For people who were/are in the situations discussed in the music, the appeals are definitely similar for different generations.

 

[wavycrocket]

Boosie the Down South PAC

 

[6pac]

I 1000% get what he was trying to say.... the fact of the matter is under no circumstance was the general publics view of Tupac the same as the general public views on Kodak today... We aren't gonna just let that slide.

Tupac From day one was letting it be known that he was an articulate dude, was well read, was into community development and came from a militant background. And that is in interviews, recordings, videos etc etc. He also showed his flawed side, but even in those wasn't nobody looking at pac like he was dumb or stupid. They looked at him as a hot head sure, little out of control at times sure.

But nobody questioned if Pac was stupid, or a man w/o principles.... we are not even gonna begin to push that narrative.

Nobody thought the same about Kodak until the breakfast club interview and the designer drugs + social media.

"ima scholar" lol



again def not saying they are percieved the same, im saying if can joe write him off for his "actions", how wouldn't he have done the same for Pac? because he was more well spoken and was on some million man march **** for every time he wanted to impose harm upon or take food from a black person's mouth?

im just pointing out how lame that logic is when we're dealing with young hood/urban dudes who are really having their first run with legitimate big time money and worldwide attention.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Your second sentence isn't false.

The appeal of Boosie, Kodak and Pac are very similar. Maybe not so much from the perspective of Pac being a movie star and having the girls and all that but musically, what they lack in double entendres and **** they make up for in just saying real **** you can feel and Boosie/Pac have those same almost religious type fanbases because their music got people through some tough ****, it wasn't always Set It Off or Hail Mary, they had some **** that would help you cope w your situation and in time I feel like people gonna feel the same about Kodak's catalog.

For people who were/are in the situations discussed in the music, the appeals are definitely similar for different generations.

There appeal as far as them not being the most lyrical and people still feeling them i'm gonna agree with & that's where it stops.

The amount of real **** vs BS in Pac's catalog was very balanced, i'm not gonna say the same for Kodak. Also you have to add in the fact that that Pac pushed those records as a representation of his brand. Kodak may have a few of these songs, but ya'll gonna sit hear and act as if the songs he chooses to get behind & push are records that are helping ****** in the struggle?

Also the root of this Convo was based on things outside of the music..... under this circumstance Kodak & PAC ain't NOTHING ALIKE. Ain't a single thing i've heard come from Kodak's mouth in an interview, IG post, video, that promotes bettering the hood or educating yourself. his actual actions damn sure don't lend towards that either. i Understand he's a young kid & he still got growing to do that's fine, but in the meantime please don't compare him to a standup ***** that fought with a purpose his entire life.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Nobody thought the same about Kodak until the breakfast club interview and the designer drugs + social media.

"ima scholar" lol



again def not saying they are percieved the same, im saying if can joe write him off for his "actions", how wouldn't he have done the same for Pac? because he was more well spoken and was on some million man march **** for every time he wanted to impose harm upon or take food from a black person's mouth?

im just pointing out how lame that logic is when we're dealing with young hood/urban dudes who are really having their first run with legitimate big time money and worldwide attention.

This is where nuance is used... A large point of Joe's beef with Kodak seems to be that
1) he's extremely childish
2) the small dosage of music he has heard from Kodak, has no substance.... Even if your just listening to singles from pac that wasn't gonna be the case.

there's HUGE difference in the antics & that's what Joe is getting at

Just because Pac & Kodak both were having legal issues & saying controversial things, that doesn't make it equal. the reasons behind the legal issues & how they dealt with it, what was said that sparked controversy, the way they owned up to & articulated themselves etc etc are very different. Hence why there's several artist who do have the same kind of issues as far as law enforcement & social media goes who Joe will still listen too & champion.

also the fact that people are probably coming to Joe saying this is a real street dude & he makes music with all this substance.... it would make you look at him even funnier in the light considering the pedigree that people attach to him.

 

[delete1234]

We comparing Tupac.....and Kodak black



KODAK...KODAK BLACK

Like ty said Tupac has NEVER came off as someone with Autism or diagnosed ******ation. Stop it. Matter fact y'all be saying Tupac was FAKING his funk anyways, and he was just a good actor so which one is it?

Son really just said people like Tupac & Kodak for the same reasons

*****s would have been calling pac a fake deep hotep if he was coming up in this era.

Facts

Tupac did come off as a hot headed bafoon at times. His music proved he wasn't. Same as Kodak. That's the point he's tryna make.

No one is thinking Kodak is a hot head. He just seems slow. And ******ed. Like someone that needs to go back to school seriously. Speech classes first.

his music and his ACTIONS

I 1000% get what he was trying to say.... the fact of the matter is under no circumstance was the general publics view of Tupac the same as the general public views on Kodak today... We aren't gonna just let that slide.

Tupac From day one was letting it be known that he was an articulate dude, was well read, was into community development and came from a militant background. And that is in interviews, recordings, videos etc etc. He also showed his flawed side, but even in those wasn't nobody looking at pac like he was dumb or stupid. They looked at him as a hot head sure, little out of control at times sure.

But nobody questioned if Pac was stupid, or a man w/o principles.... we are not even gonna begin to push that narrative.

More facts.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Yeah the Pac and Kodak comparison is way off. Pac came out as a young Chuck D so people couldn't have written him off as a dummy at any time.

Boosie and Kodak is the example to stick to. A lot of people including myself wrote Boosie off as just another ratchet club rapper. On videos counting money, doing hood _ ****. While his singles was FAR from his catalog. I slept on him for a while til some Balitmore _'s got me to give him a chance. Kodak is exactly the same.