Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[VARNELL HILL]

This is what i'm not getting tho he 100% does state that he doesn't listen to certain artist OFTEN. the whole he's a hater narrative comes from him openly not liking a lot of the new rappers. He blatantly said Kodak acts like a fool so he doesn't give his music a listen. He admit's to never wanting to hear guys like lil pump or Ski Mask, trippy redd etc etc because of there look, names, IG videos etc etc. He admit's to this ALL THE TIME on the show.

Also from week 1 of the show he has stated that he doesn't care about these lil *****s and he doesn't have to & won't listen to a lot of these artist. And he's 1000% correct because he's kept that stance the entire time and the show has grown more and more, Complex is clearly fine with him not being knowledgeable on these artist. Not to mention there's dozens upon dozens of artist and subjects they can speak on in place of asking him questions about artist he clearly doesn't care about. Yet they do because it works & people still find a way to be upset and flustered by the opinion of someone who BLATANTLY doesn't care or isn't informed on certain artist.

If people claim he's not knowledgeable & shows no effort in listening to a lot of the newer artist (aka newer rappers in the trap lane) why are people always so hyped to criticize his opinions, there is 0 logic in that, yet fans and artist alike continue to validate his opinion more by reacting.

You picked the absolute least important point of my post to respond to.

Let's remember why we're having this discussion for a second. He claimed that the white girl getting a record deal for her antics is the same as Kodak Black. Which is false. Kodak Black's music didn't get notoriety from what he does outside of music. What he does outside of music gets attention...because the world was introduced to him through...MUSIC. I didn't need to run through his discography to do that. I know what I know about him...based off what i see when i observe the public information available on Kodak Black. Don't you think that if you're on a talk show where these people are discussed....that you should know about these people? He clearly takes the time to pay attention when he's doing his "antics"...so he could do the same to familiarize himself about the artist themselves. Again...that does NOT require being a fan of...or checking for that artists' music. How can you make a strong opinion on someone you know very little about...and when challenged and given more information that counters what you've said...simply double down on your claim even though you've admitted that you "don't know"?

I haven't listened to a Chance the Rapper song twice. I swear to God. And I can talk to you about Chance The Rapper ad nauseum as it pertains to his place in music and what's said about him. I'd expect a media person to be able to do the same.

It's like one of the hosts of First Take not knowing about the athlete that's being discussed...justifying not knowing about them because of something they do outside of their sport...but still sitting there making statements on them despite a lack of information.

I'm not even going to touch on the contradiction of claiming not to be hip to Kodak for his antics but claiming to be a fan of XXX.

 

[trynafeelmink]

You picked the absolute least important point of my post to respond to.

Let's remember why we're having this discussion for a second. He claimed that the white girl getting a record deal for her antics is the same as Kodak Black. Which is false. Kodak Black's music didn't get notoriety from what he does outside of music. What he does outside of music gets attention...because the world was introduced to him through...MUSIC. I didn't need to run through his discography to do that. I know what I know about him...based off what i see when i observe the public information available on Kodak Black. Don't you think that if you're on a talk show where these people are discussed....that you should know about these people? He clearly takes the time to pay attention when he's doing his "antics"...so he could do the same to familiarize himself about the artist themselves. Again...that does NOT require being a fan of...or checking for that artists' music. How can you make a strong opinion on someone you know very little about...and when challenged and given more information that counters what you've said...simply double down on your claim even though you've admitted that you "don't know"?

I haven't listened to a Chance the Rapper song twice. I swear to God. And I can talk to you about Chance The Rapper ad nauseum as it pertains to his place in music and what's said about him. I'd expect a media person to be able to do the same.

It's like one of the hosts of First Take not knowing about the athlete that's being discussed...justifying not knowing about them because of something they do outside of their sport...but still sitting there making statements on them despite a lack of information.

I'm not even going to touch on the contradiction of claiming not to be hip to Kodak for his antics but claiming to be a fan of XXX.

I didn't watch yesterday's episode so i would have to see exactly what he said when comparing him to the lil white chick.

With that said, even prior to yesterday guys are always claiming that he's dismissive of Kodak, when in reality he just doesn't agree with some people's perception about Kodak. You just stated that you can have a convo about chances music based off a few songs you might have heard in passing. So if Budden is doing this exact thing and having a convo based off passive knowledge he has of Kodak.......... why is anyone mad at his opinions

Hell the only things i remember him saying about kodak that were negative was that he's childish & that's he's not a top tier rapper. Based off a minimal understanding of Kodak do you think anyone is gonna take him to be a rapper with extensive content? Would someone mistake him for a top tier rapper?

Let's say Joe was to go in and listen to his whole discography, based off all Joe has shown for the past 10 years & the rappers he constantly bigs up... do you think he's gonna have much of a different perspective on Kodak's music...... the answer is NO. Just because Kodak makes some meaningful **** from time to time doesn't mean someone else is gonna hear it and be impressed. I honestly believe that after hearing Kodak's music he's gonna come away with the same views.

Again what some may call substance doesn't always equate with other people. Joe is from an era where literally EVERY rapper had substance & introspection in their music. However if people are on here mentioning Kodaks substance with that of Pac's then i understand why someone would be really perplexed when dude's shrug the **** off & call it average.

 

[tay1]

Every rapper had substance?

 

[P C H]

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[Hahahaha]

Dame Lillard on today? I'm watching this one. His album was better than most.

 

[ZOMBAVELI THE DON]

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Son really just said people like Tupac & Kodak for the same reasons

*****s would have been calling pac a fake deep hotep if he was coming up in this era.

This is accurate.

I do think there's a valid comparison to be made on the topic at hand, but I can't see people going to Pac and Kodac for the same reasons.

 

[trynafeelmink]

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This video sheds a lot more light on why the Migos are buggin talking about they changed the sound of rap, when they simply rehashed an older style in the mainstream.

 

[delete1234]

Bro krayzie on for the love of $ hit the nail on the head. That ***** sound JUST like the migos flow today.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

People been saying Migos flow is from 90's Memphis rappers and Bone Thugs. It's in the thread title lol

The flow, the harmonizing

 

[str8drop]

ATL and Memphis have a weird relationship/connection that's been going for a min. Bay Area has a similar relationship with KC and Akron.

But on the real tho Migos straight lifted this flow from Gucci (an admitted Memphis rap stan) and made a career out of it. It just makes more sense that they were bumping that 2011-2012 Gucci and got inspired as compared to going back into the archives to listen to old Memphis stuff. Especially when you consider how heavy Quavo was biting the Gucci cadence early on.

Pay homage to the ever influential Trap God peasants

I can post more too

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Quavo sound a lot like Gucci. Takeoff and Offset sound like Lord Infamous and Skinny Pimps sons. I don't know how they caught it but they did.

 

[wavycrocket]

I think Migos low key were inspired by Super Few too. He uses that flow here....and comes in with "I takeoff" at the 1:55min mark on "I'm tripping"



No coincidence that Juicy J is on the track.

 

[ninjahood]

its lord infamous's flow, case closed.

 

[VARNELL HILL]

Back in 2013, Atalanta trio Migos jumped into the mainstream limelight when they dropped their track “Versace.” Following the hit single, the group later released their most successful mixtape, No Label 2, which put a spotlight on the very unique rap flow — the triplet. A triplet, a common musical term, is a succession of three notes played over one beat, creating the effect of swinging between on- and off beat. Now coined as the “Versace flow” or “Migos flow,” the flow can be found in nearly every mainstream rap song today from Kendrick Lamar on his DAMN. album to Chance The Rapper on the opening track of Coloring Book.

However, the first popular use of the triplet flow can be found in Chuck D’s verse on Public Enemy’s highly influential song “Bring The Noise” from 1988. Thanks to a new video from Vox, the origins of the where the triplet flow came from and how it’s been a common tool for rappers since Three 6 Mafia and Bone Thugs-N-Harmony’s debut albums in the ’90s gets broken-down. Watch the clip above.

Nothing new under the sun. Three 6 had to get it from somewhere too.

 

[tay1]

**** even Chuck D somewhat used the flow himself on one song. The conversation about who created the flow is insignificant. Fact is Future and Migos are the main ones who propelled it to being so popular now

 

[wavycrocket]

**** even Chuck D somewhat used the flow himself on one song. That conversation about their flow is insignificant.

And late as hell . Complex did this 3 years ago.

Vox is one of the best publications out though

 

[trynafeelmink]

**** even Chuck D somewhat used the flow himself on one song. The conversation about who created the flow is insignificant. Fact is Future and Migos are the main ones who propelled it to being so popular now

It does matter when Migos are out here saying the rap game sounds like them.... when yes they have used it the most and popularized a bit more in the mainstream. But you can't say people are sounding like you, when you clearly lifted the flow from someone else.

interestingly enough when the Mob came through using some flows from memphis, I vividly some Nt'ers calling them biters despite them going on record several times & crediting & featuring the artist that inspired those flows. one crew gives credence to where they got it from & their called biters, One crew tries to take claim for a flow & their the catalyst.............

 

[Magic33]

It does matter when Migos are out here saying the rap game sounds like them.... when yes they have used it the most and popularized a bit more in the mainstream. But you can't say people are sounding like you, when you clearly lifted the flow from someone else.

interestingly enough when the Mob came through using some flows from memphis, I vividly some Nt'ers calling them biters despite them going on record several times & crediting & featuring the artist that inspired those flows. one crew gives credence to where they got it from & their called biters, One crew tries to take claim for a flow & their the catalyst.............

It doesn't matter who started it or who was doing it prior, it's who made it popular

I can't believe I read that. That means they didn't invent or even popularize anything. It was done 25+ years prior.

That's like giving Puff credit for Mtume's song

 

[VARNELL HILL]

interestingly enough when the Mob came through using some flows from memphis, I vividly some Nt'ers calling them biters despite them going on record several times & crediting & featuring the artist that inspired those flows. one crew gives credence to where they got it from & their called biters, One crew tries to take claim for a flow & their the catalyst.............

Can't deny this

 

[tay1]

It doesn't matter who started it or who was doing it prior, it's who made it popular

I can't believe I read that. That means they didn't invent or even popularize anything. It was done 25+ years prior.

That's like giving Puff credit for Mtume's song

It doesn't matter in today's climate . Flow wasn't being used. Future and Migos used it, and THEY impacted the game.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

That _ really got Denzel tatted on him.


Dude a special kind of goofy.

 

[All Ready]

n**** gon tattoo his uber driver next

 

[VARNELL HILL]

I'm going to need both Akademiks and Joe Budden to never talk basketball ever again.

 

[6pac]

It doesn't matter who started it or who was doing it prior, it's who made it popular

I can't believe I read that. That means they didn't invent or even popularize anything. It was done 25+ years prior.

That's like giving Puff credit for Mtume's song

it would be incorrect to give puff credit for that specific song but its not wrong to give credit to puff/hitmen for recontextualizing dance records from the 70s/80s into a whole subgenre and aesthetic of rap

which is the same thing Migos have done with the triplet flow. they made a whole new way of making rap music from the beats, flows, <100 buzzwords that ****** STILL come in the game using and even aesthetically, they took ****** from the horrible drowning in leather/Versace look to now the chokers and stuff now.

Meek and Migos most influential of street/trap rap this decade in terms of the type of music being made + the aesthetic/lifestyle that ****** try to emulate.