Re: Why Dark-Skinned People From The Dominican Republic Refuse Their Blackness

[ninjahood]

Originally Posted by TezzyTooLive

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by TezzyTooLive

reminds you of your apartment rite

awww mane that must suck lol  dead @ you sleeping with roaches mane dont lie you haven't stepped foot out the u.s typical poor !%$ dominican from the heights nothing special here lol

dead @ you living in that small !%$ room ,   dead @ the houses in your home country being smaller than your room

  dead @ you having a passport knowing good in well u have never left them dirty @+$ projects you stay in

dead @ you having all them shoes but nothing else to show for it lol

dead @ you learning all hispanics are mixed race from the projects dammit i feel sorry u and ur fam been reglated to the slums were none of the white peopel want to live

 

ahh a satly black kid...it all makes sense....mad im stylin on u huh sir

i been to DR more times then da salt you've attempted to throw in your childish post...

got pictures of visits to da farro de colon, bonao, la romanna, sarasota,...one of da houses my family owns is el la calle 5 de las america in uptown Santo Domingo

around La savana laga...fams got a house in bonao too, we building another 3 houses just outside guerra...but yeah i never been outside da heights

all this slander and garbage from this no name cuz dominicans refuse to be put in a box made of US ideologies....gotta love da geniuses on this site.

i and know its just a yellow bellied cat with a backup screen name trying to assassinate my character.

lemme know where your done sir.

   dude you sound dumb $*+ hell you lost hte arguement when you made that dumb +## statement that all hispanics were mixed raced  even in the definition it says you can either be mixed , black or white hispanic

then you claim yall odnt have none of the u.s ideologies yet racism exists in hispnic countries  and you have yet to prove it does not lol


if yall was so racially free racism wouldnt exist and dominicans of colors like yourself wouldnt be at the bottom of the social ladder have a nice day bum

move out hte heights to a rich upscale neighborhood , *%%+ maybe even a white neighborhood nad i could possibly take u seriously but u live in the projects amd want to talk about money lmaooo that hilarious

geez wiz there sir...sounds like their mixed to me

bottom of da social ladder...

its like this dude is mad i've lived a racial issue free life thus far and its PAINS HIM to see that so he's

resorting to thirsty comments trying to bait me....ok

by da way son still thinks there is projects in da heightz

Originally Posted by Chuck Finster

Do you understand how hypocritical you sound? You won't allow yourself or anyone to call you black because it's simply a racial ideology used by Americans you're much more than black, but you have no problem with using it as a term to separate yourself from others. Specifically African Americans.

Hell you even sound like your using it in a derogatory manner.

umm because african americans identify their self as black?

so now calling a black kid black is "racist" ?

especially all da hot #%@* he popped off is fine? yeah...i see we playing on a level playing field.

debs 168 wrote:

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I notice that ninjahood dodges certain stuff. I'm guessing that there's a bigger reason than him not having the time to respond to everybody...
yeah, its called sleep.... as much as i love da back and forth banter i do live a life outside of da internet.

ThunderChunk69 wrote:

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now post some pyramids
im saying....whatever happened to letting people identify themselves instead of having a title imposed on you?

Originally Posted by ittakesalittlebitmore

Are you his defence attorney or are you gonna let the man speak for himself??

Its clear to me that Ninjahood (and many DR people in general) have a negative perception of self and deep rooted racial predujices steeped in colonial history that cant be denied

Dominican resentment from da Haitians historically came from when they tried to take us over, you overplaying da "race card" with that assumption.

Haiti is da most corrupt government in da western hemisphere, there's a reason their in a terrible position and thats even before da earthquake....which

by da way da FIRST responders of that were da dominican republic
[h2][/h2]

[h2]Early response[/h2]
Main articles: Humanitarian response to the 2010 Haiti earthquake, Humanitarian response by national governments to the 2010 Haiti earthquake, Humanitarian response by non-governmental organizations to the 2010 Haiti earthquake, and Humanitarian response by for-profit organizations to the 2010 Haiti earthquake



Heavy-lift helicopters ferry water from the offshore flotilla, 15 January

Appeals for humanitarian aid were issued by many aid organizations, the United Nations[sup][112][/sup] and president René Préval. Raymond Joseph, Haiti's ambassador to the United States,[sup][113][/sup] and his nephew, singer Wyclef Jean,[sup][114][/sup] who was called upon by Préval to become a "roving ambassador" for Haiti,[sup][115][/sup] also pleaded for aid and donations.

Many countries responded to the appeals and launched fund-raising efforts, as well as sending search and rescue teams. The neighbouring Dominican Republic was the first country to give aid to Haiti,[sup][113][/sup] sending water, food and heavy-lifting machinery.[sup][116][/sup] The hospitals in the Dominican Republic were made available; a combined effort of the Airports Department (DA), together with the Dominican Naval Auxiliaries, the UN and other parties formed the Dominican-Haitian Aerial Support Bridge, making the main Dominican airports available for support operations to Haiti. The Dominican website FlyDominicanRepublic.com [sup][117][/sup] made available to the internet, daily updates on airport information and news from the operations center on the Dominican side.[sup][116][/sup] The Dominican emergency team assisted more than 2,000 injured people, while the Dominican Institute of Telecommunications (Indotel) helped with the restoration of some telephone services.[sup][116][/sup] The Dominican Red Cross coordinated early medical relief in conjunction with the International Red Cross.[sup][116][/sup] The government sent eight mobile medical units along with 36 doctors including orthopaedic specialists, traumatologists, anaesthetists, and surgeons. In addition, 39 trucks carrying canned food were dispatched, along with 10 mobile kitchens and 110 cooks capable of producing 100,000 meals per day.[sup][118][/sup]


[sup]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake#cite_note-117[/sup]
so please spare me and my dominicans....hell americans have zero room to talk with da way mexicans are treated at da border of this country...

 and I'm still bugged out though that they celebrate independence from a 20 yr occupation by haiti instead of the centuries by Spain.
so now we're judging how dominicans decide to celebrate their independence? 

 

[Mark Antony]

naw, you're right.

 

[Mark Antony]

naw, you're right.

 

[bleach]

Originally Posted by Josednk1068

People trying real hard to call out Ninja and others, I still don't understand why though? You guys must have some serious personal issues, need to become more comfortable in your own skin.

i can't speak for everybody, but personally i understand that people are going to call themselves whatever they want to.  although i think denial is a sad thing, it really doesn't bother me
i was just trying to understand the logic behind saying this guy:

is not black

 

[bleach]

Originally Posted by Josednk1068

People trying real hard to call out Ninja and others, I still don't understand why though? You guys must have some serious personal issues, need to become more comfortable in your own skin.

i can't speak for everybody, but personally i understand that people are going to call themselves whatever they want to.  although i think denial is a sad thing, it really doesn't bother me
i was just trying to understand the logic behind saying this guy:

is not black

 

[fac3 tak30v312]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AEA18



WATCH THIS

This is pretty well documented, the only people who don't seem to acknowledge this are people who have something to gain by denying it. This is akin to Muslims who go out of their way to deny the holocaust. Another more subtle example of this is the difference between

Trinidad and Tobago look it up. One of my best friends is Dominican and pale as hell and even he acknowledges this.



Cliff notes, Europeans won

Dude, I'm from TnT and don't get what you mean.

 

[fac3 tak30v312]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AEA18



WATCH THIS

This is pretty well documented, the only people who don't seem to acknowledge this are people who have something to gain by denying it. This is akin to Muslims who go out of their way to deny the holocaust. Another more subtle example of this is the difference between

Trinidad and Tobago look it up. One of my best friends is Dominican and pale as hell and even he acknowledges this.



Cliff notes, Europeans won

Dude, I'm from TnT and don't get what you mean.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by fac3 tak30v312

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

AEA18 wrote:

Another more subtle example of this is the difference between

Trinidad and Tobago look it up. One of my best friends is Dominican and pale as hell and even he acknowledges this.



Cliff notes, Europeans won

Dude, I'm from TnT and don't get what you mean.


I don't get it either... I think what he might be getting at is all the different ethnic groups that live in TnT and some clashes between them, i.e. racial profiling.

It still bugs me out that ninja can straight up read all these things telling him he's flatly wrong and still with a straight face stubbornly say things like "all hispanic people are of mixed spanish and indian blood."  At this point it really is him just being stubborn.

Originally Posted by Josednk1068

People trying real hard to call out Ninja and others, I still don't understand why though? You guys must have some serious personal issues, need to become more comfortable in your own skin.

People are calling him out because he's made some explicitly derogatory borderline racist comments about the African American population as a whole but insisting on using the word "Black" to address them.

Ninjahood is in part genetically Black.  He himself has acknowledged this. 

Yet he insists on going no don't refer to me by color, I'm Dominican, I don't believe in race.  Yet hypocritically he has no issue with only addressing others by their skin and racial identity.

The problem is he is a man that assumes.  He assumes what is true to him, in his mind, holds true for every single Latino person in the world.  He is incapable of comprehending that he is not the archetypal Latino American.  He believes every other Latino/Hispanic person is genetically similar and intellectually identical to him.  And refuses to understand that culture is neither a word that denotes ones race nor the same for every country in Spanish speaking America.

It really is just a case of his world view being so small and biased that at this point in his life he is totally incapable of seeing out of his little box.  Or rather, totally disinterested in having to.  He's an Afro Caribbean man that has been told his entire life that he isn't and now has no interest in hearing otherwise.

This thread has nothing to do with what Black Dominicans choose to call themselves.  It has all to do with the fact that some of them detest everything Black, when they themselves are at least in part, Black.


AND TO CONCUR WITH NINJAHOOD

There aren't any "housing projects" in the Heights.  At least not up to 160th street.  There is however a whole lot of government subsidized lower income housing.  The difference?  How big the buildings are.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by fac3 tak30v312

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

AEA18 wrote:

Another more subtle example of this is the difference between

Trinidad and Tobago look it up. One of my best friends is Dominican and pale as hell and even he acknowledges this.



Cliff notes, Europeans won

Dude, I'm from TnT and don't get what you mean.


I don't get it either... I think what he might be getting at is all the different ethnic groups that live in TnT and some clashes between them, i.e. racial profiling.

It still bugs me out that ninja can straight up read all these things telling him he's flatly wrong and still with a straight face stubbornly say things like "all hispanic people are of mixed spanish and indian blood."  At this point it really is him just being stubborn.

Originally Posted by Josednk1068

People trying real hard to call out Ninja and others, I still don't understand why though? You guys must have some serious personal issues, need to become more comfortable in your own skin.

People are calling him out because he's made some explicitly derogatory borderline racist comments about the African American population as a whole but insisting on using the word "Black" to address them.

Ninjahood is in part genetically Black.  He himself has acknowledged this. 

Yet he insists on going no don't refer to me by color, I'm Dominican, I don't believe in race.  Yet hypocritically he has no issue with only addressing others by their skin and racial identity.

The problem is he is a man that assumes.  He assumes what is true to him, in his mind, holds true for every single Latino person in the world.  He is incapable of comprehending that he is not the archetypal Latino American.  He believes every other Latino/Hispanic person is genetically similar and intellectually identical to him.  And refuses to understand that culture is neither a word that denotes ones race nor the same for every country in Spanish speaking America.

It really is just a case of his world view being so small and biased that at this point in his life he is totally incapable of seeing out of his little box.  Or rather, totally disinterested in having to.  He's an Afro Caribbean man that has been told his entire life that he isn't and now has no interest in hearing otherwise.

This thread has nothing to do with what Black Dominicans choose to call themselves.  It has all to do with the fact that some of them detest everything Black, when they themselves are at least in part, Black.


AND TO CONCUR WITH NINJAHOOD

There aren't any "housing projects" in the Heights.  At least not up to 160th street.  There is however a whole lot of government subsidized lower income housing.  The difference?  How big the buildings are.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by fac3 tak30v312

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AEA18



WATCH THIS

This is pretty well documented, the only people who don't seem to acknowledge this are people who have something to gain by denying it. This is akin to Muslims who go out of their way to deny the holocaust. Another more subtle example of this is the difference between

Trinidad and Tobago look it up. One of my best friends is Dominican and pale as hell and even he acknowledges this.



Cliff notes, Europeans won

Dude, I'm from TnT and don't get what you mean.

The island nation of Trinidad and Tobago is a melting pot of cultures, yet it is also a place of tension between the politically and economically empowered Afro-Caribbeans and Indo-Caribbeans. Trinidad and Tobago is home to approximately 1.3 million people, with 95% living on Trinidad and 5% living on Tobago. Around 39% of Trinidadians are of African descent, 40% are of Indian descent and a small population are of European descent. Africans usually live in urban areas, notably the East-West corridor, while Indians usually live in the rural areas surrounding the sugar cane plantations.

Although both ethnic groups mix fairly well in daily life, racism exists on every level of society. It is thought that the British colonial government created the racial melange to divert attention away from the few whites at the highest ends of business and government. Tension existed between the two ethnic groups from the day African slaves achieved emancipation and Indians arrived to work on the sugar plantations. Africans accused the Indians of stealing their jobs because Indians worked for lower wages. Most Africans migrated to the urban areas, notably Port of Spain, and to villages surrounding industrial areas. Indians usually remained in the areas surrounding the sugar cane plantations. Religious discrimination also played a role in Trinidad and Tobago's history. Whites and Christians were usually accepted into high school while admission for Hindus or Muslims was far less secure.

Racism exists in Trinidad and Tobago for many reasons, but especially because of politics. The two major political parties are polarized by race. Afro-Trinidadians are accused of discriminating against East Indians in government programs for jobs, housing, health and scholarships. Housing and media licensing is another sensitive issue because Africans seem to receive preferential treatment. Indians continually protest against crime, which is usually targeted against Indians. Rural Indians' constituencies are usually underdeveloped. Complaints of racism have been made about the government's neglect of agriculture, a mainly Indian sector, and its handling of the oil boom years. Indians also accuse the government of trying to "Africanize" the country. Although 18% of the country is mixed, intermarriage between Africans and Indians remains a controversial issue. The tension between Indians and Afro-Caribbean people has decreased over time and certainly never reached the level of the violent race wars of other American nations such as Guyana.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by fac3 tak30v312

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AEA18



WATCH THIS

This is pretty well documented, the only people who don't seem to acknowledge this are people who have something to gain by denying it. This is akin to Muslims who go out of their way to deny the holocaust. Another more subtle example of this is the difference between

Trinidad and Tobago look it up. One of my best friends is Dominican and pale as hell and even he acknowledges this.



Cliff notes, Europeans won

Dude, I'm from TnT and don't get what you mean.

The island nation of Trinidad and Tobago is a melting pot of cultures, yet it is also a place of tension between the politically and economically empowered Afro-Caribbeans and Indo-Caribbeans. Trinidad and Tobago is home to approximately 1.3 million people, with 95% living on Trinidad and 5% living on Tobago. Around 39% of Trinidadians are of African descent, 40% are of Indian descent and a small population are of European descent. Africans usually live in urban areas, notably the East-West corridor, while Indians usually live in the rural areas surrounding the sugar cane plantations.

Although both ethnic groups mix fairly well in daily life, racism exists on every level of society. It is thought that the British colonial government created the racial melange to divert attention away from the few whites at the highest ends of business and government. Tension existed between the two ethnic groups from the day African slaves achieved emancipation and Indians arrived to work on the sugar plantations. Africans accused the Indians of stealing their jobs because Indians worked for lower wages. Most Africans migrated to the urban areas, notably Port of Spain, and to villages surrounding industrial areas. Indians usually remained in the areas surrounding the sugar cane plantations. Religious discrimination also played a role in Trinidad and Tobago's history. Whites and Christians were usually accepted into high school while admission for Hindus or Muslims was far less secure.

Racism exists in Trinidad and Tobago for many reasons, but especially because of politics. The two major political parties are polarized by race. Afro-Trinidadians are accused of discriminating against East Indians in government programs for jobs, housing, health and scholarships. Housing and media licensing is another sensitive issue because Africans seem to receive preferential treatment. Indians continually protest against crime, which is usually targeted against Indians. Rural Indians' constituencies are usually underdeveloped. Complaints of racism have been made about the government's neglect of agriculture, a mainly Indian sector, and its handling of the oil boom years. Indians also accuse the government of trying to "Africanize" the country. Although 18% of the country is mixed, intermarriage between Africans and Indians remains a controversial issue. The tension between Indians and Afro-Caribbean people has decreased over time and certainly never reached the level of the violent race wars of other American nations such as Guyana.

 

[antonlavey]

For the record I find everything that was said about Wash Heights, deplorable. Wash Heights is really not that bad a place to live, I've lived there. There are parts of it that were a bit shady at nighttime....but overall it was a neighborhood with a rich cultural heritage and diversity (yes not only Latinos and Dominicans live in Wash Heights).

I respect ninjahood even tho Im arguing with him in this thread, I'm kinda disappointed in his response to being attacked by that dude. "The black kid" word?

 

[antonlavey]

For the record I find everything that was said about Wash Heights, deplorable. Wash Heights is really not that bad a place to live, I've lived there. There are parts of it that were a bit shady at nighttime....but overall it was a neighborhood with a rich cultural heritage and diversity (yes not only Latinos and Dominicans live in Wash Heights).

I respect ninjahood even tho Im arguing with him in this thread, I'm kinda disappointed in his response to being attacked by that dude. "The black kid" word?

 

[atlien seeko]

Thing is, I'm a Black American composed of decendents of African slaves...

If I go to Mexico with a black woman of the same composition and have a child, that baby will be MEXICAN. Does that change the fact that the child is black? NO. It makes him/her a Black Mexican.

Why cant people understand these simple concepts? This is not mathematics. It's an easy web to follow...

 

[atlien seeko]

Thing is, I'm a Black American composed of decendents of African slaves...

If I go to Mexico with a black woman of the same composition and have a child, that baby will be MEXICAN. Does that change the fact that the child is black? NO. It makes him/her a Black Mexican.

Why cant people understand these simple concepts? This is not mathematics. It's an easy web to follow...

 

[bleach]

Originally Posted by ATLien Seeko

Thing is, I'm a Black American composed of decendents of African slaves...

If I go to Mexico with a black woman of the same composition and have a child, that baby will be MEXICAN. Does that change the fact that the child is black? NO. It makes him/her a Black Mexican.

Why cant people understand these simple concepts? This is not mathematics. It's an easy web to follow...

also, brazil has the second highest population of japanese people in the world
you mean to tell me these people are no longer asian, because they are brazilian?

 

[bleach]

Originally Posted by ATLien Seeko

Thing is, I'm a Black American composed of decendents of African slaves...

If I go to Mexico with a black woman of the same composition and have a child, that baby will be MEXICAN. Does that change the fact that the child is black? NO. It makes him/her a Black Mexican.

Why cant people understand these simple concepts? This is not mathematics. It's an easy web to follow...

also, brazil has the second highest population of japanese people in the world
you mean to tell me these people are no longer asian, because they are brazilian?

 

[tezzytoolive]

Originally Posted by ATLien Seeko

Thing is, I'm a Black American composed of decendents of African slaves...

If I go to Mexico with a black woman of the same composition and have a child, that baby will be MEXICAN. Does that change the fact that the child is black? NO. It makes him/her a Black Mexican.

Why cant people understand these simple concepts? This is not mathematics. It's an easy web to follow...

um atlien seeko you have not said anything ground breaking you basically said the same thing i told ninjabum when i told him a black puetorican and and african american having a child is still black

ninjahood on the other hand is saying a black child born in the d.r is just dominican and thats it he also claims they dont acknowledge race yet there are mad news articles , documentaries , books etc speaking on the racism in hispanic countries !%#! his idol trujillo tried to rid hte island of all the afro-hispanics

 

he wont even acknowledge the fact that aloto f hispanics do see blacks as beneath them or that every hispanic is not mixed dude is in major denial

  

 

[tezzytoolive]

Originally Posted by ATLien Seeko

Thing is, I'm a Black American composed of decendents of African slaves...

If I go to Mexico with a black woman of the same composition and have a child, that baby will be MEXICAN. Does that change the fact that the child is black? NO. It makes him/her a Black Mexican.

Why cant people understand these simple concepts? This is not mathematics. It's an easy web to follow...

um atlien seeko you have not said anything ground breaking you basically said the same thing i told ninjabum when i told him a black puetorican and and african american having a child is still black

ninjahood on the other hand is saying a black child born in the d.r is just dominican and thats it he also claims they dont acknowledge race yet there are mad news articles , documentaries , books etc speaking on the racism in hispanic countries !%#! his idol trujillo tried to rid hte island of all the afro-hispanics

 

he wont even acknowledge the fact that aloto f hispanics do see blacks as beneath them or that every hispanic is not mixed dude is in major denial

  

 

[nako xl]

ninja whats your take on what Atlien Seeko posted on the last page. im just curious.

 

[nako xl]

ninja whats your take on what Atlien Seeko posted on the last page. im just curious.

 

[debso]

well, you called african americans "generic" so...

 

[debso]

well, you called african americans "generic" so...

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by debs 168

well, you called african americans "generic" so...

yep, he chooses his words carefully. He's special and every other member of the African/Black diaspora is "GENERIC".

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by debs 168

well, you called african americans "generic" so...

yep, he chooses his words carefully. He's special and every other member of the African/Black diaspora is "GENERIC".