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Yeah, the NBA has never really been all that competitively balanced. Theoretically if it were more balanced, the average game would be more enjoyable to watch.
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Originally Posted by UPPTEMPO8387
That Chris Broussard article is one of the dumbest things I've ever read..Did this guy really suggest Lebron for Dwight? That's just stupidity. You're gonna risk pissing off your best player (Wade) by trading away the guy that he convinced to leave his hometown to play with? Come on man..Then before that he suggests Carmelo for CP3? Yeah, the Knicks gave up the majority of their best young prospects for a player that only ending up playing 20 something games...Great idea Chris.
And this is bad, how?Originally Posted by shoeking2101
NBA straight trolling now,
One team has lebron james chris bosh and dwyane wade on the same team,
Another may have deron williams and dwight howard on the same squad,
Another team has ray allen, KG, Paul Pierce, and Rajon rondo on the same team,
And one may potentially have Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, and Amare stoudemire on the same team?
Originally Posted by grittyman20
I understand why the Nets did it, but what I'm saying is there is always going to be at least one desperate team who's willing to take that risk. Orlando could put together a package better than what NY is offering, and they'd be willing to take that risk because if they can't field a competitive squad it's a wrap for Dwight in a Magic uniform. Highly doubt CP3 and Dwight would leave Orl for a large market under those circumstances...Originally Posted by MrONegative
Originally Posted by grittyman20
If the Nets were willing to give up young talent/players/picks for D Will with no guarantee of him signing an extension, I'll be willing to bet money that another team will be willing to do the same thing with CP3. He doesn't have all the leverage in this situation...If I'm NO, I'd rather let him walk then to take back the Knicks trash (and I'm not even a NY hater)
The Nets just missed out of Carmelo, Utah quick mobbed them in the 25th with that come outta here with something deal, stole all the assets they got together for Melo without any promise of an extension.
Nets did it cuz they had to do something to compete in Brooklyn/attract FAs. This is that shortsightedness backfiring. Other teams won't forget that, especially after dude turned down an extension with the C's....they figured get ____ here and we can talk him into staying...
Maybe not so much anymore.
I'm sayin'Originally Posted by ill steelo
when has competitive balance been existent though?Originally Posted by abutta13
bro i want cp3 on the knicks too but i am a bigger fan of the sport as a whole than i am of one team. for the sport these superteams are awful and competitive balance is almost non existent. every year we know who the real contenders are before any games are even played. what other sports are like that? these players are getting out of hand they play a sport for a living they arent entitled to being on great teams and winning multiple championships.
In the '80s when the Lakers & C's won 8 of the 10 rings in the decade?
In the '90s when the bulls & Rockets won 8 of the 10 rings in the decade?
In the '00s when the Spurs & Lakers won 7 of the 10 rings in the decade?
It was the opposite.... The Nets made a big show about getting Melo, got the Knicks to trade a whole team of dynamic young players, and then got the better player (Williams) for a lower value trade.Originally Posted by MrONegative
Originally Posted by grittyman20
If the Nets were willing to give up young talent/players/picks for D Will with no guarantee of him signing an extension, I'll be willing to bet money that another team will be willing to do the same thing with CP3. He doesn't have all the leverage in this situation...If I'm NO, I'd rather let him walk then to take back the Knicks trash (and I'm not even a NY hater)Originally Posted by tim teufel
It's either they take whatever the Knicks give them or deal with an unhappy player that will walk anyway and receive nothing.
The Nets just missed out of Carmelo, Utah quick mobbed them in the 25th with that come outta here with something deal, stole all the assets they got together for Melo without any promise of an extension.
Nets did it cuz they had to do something to compete in Brooklyn/attract FAs. This is that shortsightedness backfiring. Other teams won't forget that, especially after dude turned down an extension with the C's....they figured get ____ here and we can talk him into staying...
Maybe not so much anymore.
This is true. Fans of big market/successful teams just don't see things in our perspectiveOriginally Posted by 651akathePaul
CP3, you're a Lakers fan. It's easy for you to accept the way things are. How about the Minnesota fans? Milwaukee, New Orleans, Sacramento, etc?...Those teams can't just get/lure a big time Superstar like the teams that win rings can. Not trying to make you look selfish, but it's no fun for other teams fans.
Originally Posted by CP1708
Paul's ONLY shot, is to join a friend or two of his, that is almost as good as him. Bron/Wade/Bosh, same thing. KG/Pierce/Allen, never did a gosh damn thing individually, then they teamed up, and made some runs. It will always be this way. When Rose and Blake G team up in a few years, they will run things, Durant and Dwight Howard, titles. John Wall, and some JR in high school right now in the league in 8 years, title chance.
The rest is just fodder. Plain, and simple, fodder.
I don't deny that larger markets can offer more based only on their location, but there's more than enough examples of large market teams struggling while small market teams succeeded. Nothing about those small-market team's location influences how their GMs make trades or draft.Originally Posted by rck2sactown
This is true. Fans of big market/successful teams just don't see things in our perspectiveOriginally Posted by 651akathePaul
CP3, you're a Lakers fan. It's easy for you to accept the way things are. How about the Minnesota fans? Milwaukee, New Orleans, Sacramento, etc?...Those teams can't just get/lure a big time Superstar like the teams that win rings can. Not trying to make you look selfish, but it's no fun for other teams fans.
How? Not attacking you, but throughout the lockout I saw a lot of complaints but very little solutions offered.Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
This is the way I see it. I just know know know it can be so much better than it is.
I could see tripping about 2000, but in hindsight 2010 they had to get rid of Deng to have a shot at anyone, because everyone was a package.Originally Posted by DubA169
That isn't true.
The only place stars want go to is somewhere they can build something. If the Knicks, celtics and clippers had no good players at the moment, players wouldn't go there.
The bulls don't get big free agents.
I've been in full support of a shorter season for awhile, and always thought the playoffs were too long and too easy to get into (at least in the East), so I'm down with those two areas... but wouldn't contradiction hurt the league because by reducing the teams you're removing basketball from 4-6 markets? The T-Wolves, Kings, etc., if their fans were unhappy with being bottom-dwellers before, I doubt they'll be happy about the NBA as a whole improving, when their team is taken. Not to mention, history has shown the difference between being the worst place team and a playoff team can be drafting a superstar and a couple years. How do we decide who to contract? Based on the last ten years? But what about a team like the Kings, that has been lousy the last five years, yet made the playoffs the ten prior. Do you base it on market size? Overall revenue? Preference of the older teams over the newer?Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
Contraction. Along with that, eliminate two playoff seeds in each conference. And I actually think a 66 game schedule is perfect for the NBA. I'd keep it.
To your first point...Say one of those teams did hit it big in the draft and lured in another big time free agent. There is still another organization or two out there that will take its place. You'll probably say that this is the case no matter what, but I beg to differ, only in the fact that with 4-6 less teams, your filling rosters with better quality players/talent that is otherwise filled with stop gaps or the 8th man on a "super" team.
Competitive balance is indeed what the NBA could use more of. The LA's, NY's and Bostons will still get their guys, and probably win it, but the product that the other teams put out will be better and more exciting.
Never said it was a bad thing, just stating the facts. The league is blossoming because of all the "homies" playing on the same team. I dig it.Originally Posted by deepinthajeep
And this is bad, how?Originally Posted by shoeking2101
NBA straight trolling now,
One team has lebron james chris bosh and dwyane wade on the same team,
Another may have deron williams and dwight howard on the same squad,
Another team has ray allen, KG, Paul Pierce, and Rajon rondo on the same team,
And one may potentially have Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, and Amare stoudemire on the same team?
Lol, whut? So you're telling me that the best center and (arguably) the best pg in the league on the same team will still be disgruntled and want to leave for greener pastures?Originally Posted by grittyman20
Magic couldn't get out of the 1st round...
so trade maybe...Jameer and Bass (to replace CP and West), just to rent CP?
and don't trade Dwight so he's leaving for nothing too.
For one last shot with the Turk still on your team, and maybe even Gil too, unless DuDu as the backup sounds good.
And with no guarantee to stay from CP or Dwight, what FA's are trying to take less to join them?
With Stan Van Gundy? And Dwight's not just leaving because they can't get it together, he's leaving because he's done with Orlando.
So it's better to both lose talent and then lose both their guys for nothing for one last run?
10027 wrote:
MrONegative wrote:
Originally Posted by grittyman20
If the Nets were willing to give up young talent/players/picks for D Will with no guarantee of him signing an extension, I'll be willing to bet money that another team will be willing to do the same thing with CP3. He doesn't have all the leverage in this situation...If I'm NO, I'd rather let him walk then to take back the Knicks trash (and I'm not even a NY hater)
The Nets just missed out of Carmelo, Utah quick mobbed them in the 25th with that come outta here with something deal, stole all the assets they got together for Melo without any promise of an extension.
Nets did it cuz they had to do something to compete in Brooklyn/attract FAs. This is that shortsightedness backfiring. Other teams won't forget that, especially after dude turned down an extension with the C's....they figured get ____ here and we can talk him into staying...
Maybe not so much anymore.
It was the opposite.... The Nets made a big show about getting Melo, got the Knicks to trade a whole team of dynamic young players, and then got the better player (Williams) for a lower value trade.
That's all assuming he stays. And who was calling them dynamic young players while they were with us?
Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
Him to the Magic with less talent than they already had and no cap space...I doubt it.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but are you saying that if CP and D12 team up, the team would somehow be less talented?
Originally Posted by rck2sactown
This is true. Fans of big market/successful teams just don't see things in our perspectiveOriginally Posted by 651akathePaul
CP3, you're a Lakers fan. It's easy for you to accept the way things are. How about the Minnesota fans? Milwaukee, New Orleans, Sacramento, etc?...Those teams can't just get/lure a big time Superstar like the teams that win rings can. Not trying to make you look selfish, but it's no fun for other teams fans.