RIP George Floyd

[SpittaJetLife]

Great article that highlights asian and black relations.

Officer who stood by as George Floyd died highlights complex Asian American, black relations

“People don't have a baseline of an understanding of what anti-blackness even is,” a Hmong American organizer told NBC Asian America.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Dead @ Mexicans not consuming Black culture

that is a wild statement

Ehhhhh im not gonna tell a black person they should or shouldnt say that word.

This the only correct answer

 

[MrClean510]

Dead @ Mexicans not consuming Black culture

that is a wild statement



This the only correct answer

Examples

 

[KHUFU]

You the main fake woke *** cat I'm talking about.
But you right ima just carry on

lol. I’ll leave my verbiage for more formidable conquests. I will not pick on the minuscule of intellect today.

 

[hipstermike]

edshoecator

thread on sean

 

[alchemist iq]

 

[Present]

 

[Mr Dink]

This was pretty much my relationship with my mom and grandma (dad's mom) growing up.

This is so much facts. When I was a kid and when my parents did discuss race with me, they admitted that I would not be treated the same way my white colleagues would because I am still a minority. However, if I were to make tons of money as an adult, racism won't even make affect me anymore.

 

[willie mcfly22]

Yo I'm there if they run through the outlets
Nike,Gucci and true religion getting hit with the quickness first

Lol...Gucci closed awhile ago.

 

[fluid hips]

Alot of truth what this woman takking about. I even thought why yall not burning down trump towers and resorts. These folks helping yall tear down your own neighborhoods. Mess is crazy

 

[Guccishades]

edshoecator

thread on sean

I know a girl that worked for Round two also, barely got through a day in South Beach.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Examples

I didn’t make a claim.

Interested in all these Black people who are taking from Mexican culture though.

Then we can talk about the looooong and ongoing history of racism against Black and indigenous people by Mexico.

Anybody arguing to say ***** while their people got a history of hating us look stupid to me.

 

[hipstermike]

I know a girl that worked for Round two also, barely got through a day in South Beach.

I won’t be doing any business there or Cool Kicks again.

 

[deleted]

Odds are If you live in North America (and most of the world really) you are consuming black culture to some extent

Wild to suggest otherwise

 

[sneakaprince]

Examples

and that took less than 3 seconds.

 

[JPS]

Yaw know the world began in Africa right?

 

[edshoecator]

**** out of here with that. I keep reading the same bs on NT like it's a one way st.

You're a clown and is why I stand with the Black Community. I hate your "that's my *****" but talk **** behind their back.

you're an idiot if you think Mexicans created hip hop, made certain dress codes cool.

If WE didn't follow black culture we'd still be rocking SOLO jeans, Dickies, Ben Davis, Pleated Levis and swapmeet polos with our Jordans.

 

[edshoecator]

you gotta be kidding me
please tell me youre not advocating ppl to go and loot for some skull candy headphones and risk taking a bullet

statements like yours are why ppl need to really think smarter

Please tell me you not serious.

My stance has always been **** the damage...FOCUS on the MESSAGE.

yall more concerned about buildings and material **** than Trump declaring war on PEACEFUL PROTESTORS.

 

[gry60]

So it's ok to call each other by a derogatory term but it's not ok for others to use it?

Yes it is.

 

[SpittaJetLife]

edshoecator

thread on sean

He sounds like a NTer

 

[aepps20]

So it's ok to call each other by a derogatory term but it's not ok for others to use it?

I agree 100%. I also feel the same about slurs like Karen and SWM.

 

[alchemist iq]

"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed" -Steve Biko.

 

[sfc415]

You know that M MrClean510 is the new SN for banned user dirty right? This is the same dude who

-said he'd force his son to smash women to if he suspected any gay tendencies
-said he has a smile on his face when he hears his brother getting it in with women
-threatened to come from Oakland to fight me, so I sent him an address to a gay club which he almost ended up at

He can deny it all he wants, but his posts in recent threads reminded me of that previous user, so I took a look at both of their activities. Their activity in the Cars thread is damn near identical

 

[Present]

I didn’t make a claim.

Interested in all these Black people who are taking from Mexican culture though.

Then we can talk about the looooong and ongoing history of racism against Black and indigenous people by Mexico.

Anybody arguing to say ***** while their people got a history of hating us look stupid to me.

FAM!!!!

They REEEAAALLLY dont want to go there...

The second President of Mexico was a BLACK MAN who fought and helped win Mexico's independence from Spain...and they assassinated him!

But tell me more about how black people are taking from the Mexican culture....

VICENTE GUERRERO (1783-1831)

Vicente Guerrero was born in the small village of Tixla in the state of Guerrero. His parents were Pedro Guerrero, an African Mexican and Guadalupe Saldana, an Indian. Vicente was of humble origins. In his youth he worked as a mule driver on his father’s mule run. His travels took him to different parts of Mexico where he heard of the ideas of independence. Through one of these trips he met rebel General Jose Maria Morelos y Pavon. In November 1810, Guerrero decided to join Morelos. Upon the assassination of Morelos by the Spaniards, Guerrero became Commander in Chief. In that position he made a deal with Spanish General Agustin de Iturbide.

Iturbide joined the independence movement and agreed with Guerrero on a series of measures known as “El plan de Iguala.” This plan gave civil rights to Indians but not to African Mexicans. Guerrero refused to sign the plan unless equal rights were also given to African Mexicans and mulattos. Clause 12 was then incorporated into the plan. It read: “All inhabitants . . . without distinction of their European, African or Indian origins are citizens . . . with full freedom to pursue their livelihoods according to their merits and virtues.”

Subsequently, Guerrero served in a three person “Junta” that governed the then independent Mexico from 1823-24, until the election that brought into power the first president of Mexico Guadalupe Victoria. Guerrero, as head of the “People’s Party,” called for public schools, land title reforms, and other programs of a liberal nature. Guerrero was elected the second president of Mexico in 1829. As president, Guerrero went on to champion the cause not only of the racially oppressed but also of the economically oppressed.

Guerrero formally abolished slavery on September 16, 1829. Shortly thereafter, he was betrayed by a group of reactionaries who drove him out of his house, captured and ultimately executed him. Guerrero’s political discourse was one of civil rights for all, but especially for African Mexicans. Mexicans with hearts full of pride call him the “greatest man of color.”

"....A man who is held up as ostensible head of the party, and who will be their candidate for the next presidency, is General Guerrero, one of the most distinguished chiefs of the revolution. Guerrero is uneducated, but possesses excellent natural talents, combined with great decision of character and undaunted courage. His violent temper renders him difficult to control, and therefore I consider Zavala's presence here indispensably necessary, as he possesses great influence over the general."
— Joel R. Poinsett, US minister for Mexico (i.e. Ambassador), about the character of Vicente Guerrero

Guerrero himself did not leave an abundant written record, but some of his speeches survive.

"A free state protects the arts, industry, science and trade; and the only prizes virtue and merit: if we want to acquire the latter, let's do it cultivating the fields, the sciences, and all that can facilitate the sustenance and entertainment of men: let's do this in such a way that we will not be a burden for the nation, just the opposite, in a way that we will satisfy her needs, helping her to support her charge and giving relief to the distraught of humanity: with this we will also achieve abundant wealth for the nation, making her prosper in all aspects."
— Vicente Ramón Guerrero Saldaña, Speech to his compatriots

DEEP DIVE - for those with an interest:

Guerrero wanted his presidency to reflect the broad coalition built during the 1810 war. He allowed political centrists and conservatives to dominate his cabinet, and he accepted as Vice President Anastacio Bustamante who had spent most of the independence war in the uniform of Spain. Left-wing supporters of Guerrero criticized the president’s cabinet and other choices, and in the manner that Barak Obama has questioning friends who are more racially oriented than he, so too did Guerrero have his. One was Isidorio Montesdeoca, an Afro-Filipino campesino who became a general under Guerrero during the independence war. He called Guerrero’s references to racial equality achieved by asking everyone be judged by his or her “merits and virtues,” wishful thinking in a country where many powerful people didn’t believe blacks or Indios had merits and virtues. Moreover, argued Guerrero’s critics from the left, congress had made it near impossible to organize against racial injustice through their passage of Law No. 310 that, though ostensibly in the spirit of equality, prohibited mention of anyone’s race in any public document or in the records of the parish church. One consequence of this law has been that knowledge of the racial attitude of the elite toward Guerrero’s African roots are relegated to private letters and anonymous pamphlets against “the black,” and many a modern history identifies him merely as of “peasant”or “laboring-class” background.

The political coalition Guerrero built fractured six months into his office, not from abandonment by the left, but by the right. His abolition of slavery, his promotion of a wider suffrage and his imposition of a stiff progressive tax code cost him most of his few upper-class supporters—including two cabinet members. In 1830 the conservatives rebelled, and led by Vice President Bustamante, they drove Guerrero from the capital. Most of the president’s progressive legislation was rescinded, but not the abolition of slavery, which had wide public support.

In a subsequent civil war Guerrero was captured and assassinated by Bustamante hirelings, who included an Italian sea captain who kidnapped the president in Acapulco harbor and delivered him to a Cuban mercenary in Huatulco, who passed him to the son of a Spaniard who had been a general for Spain in the independence war. At a mock trial in Oaxaca the first judge resigned during the opening day, claiming illness. Bustamante ordered execution but feared an uprising if it happened in the city of Oaxaca. Guerrero was taken to a small town, where the mayor had fled and the priest who was scheduled to conduct the last rights was also missing. In last words to the firing squad, Guerrero said that whatever he had done, it was in the interest of Mexico.

The execution infuriated many, including moderates, and Bustamante had to make peace with Guerrero’s lieutenants, who controlled the Pacific region from Puerto Vallarta down past Acapulco to the black town of Cuijinicuilapa. An unusual political accord granted the Guerreroistas autonomy on condition they never attack the capital. Over the years the close aide of Guerrero, the Afro-Acapulcan Juan Alvarez wrote and spread many diatribes against the elite, some of which are still in print today. In 1855 Alvarez broke the peace pact, marched on Mexico City, overthrew dictator Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna and became Mexico’s second black president. He included in his cabinet Benito Juarez, the pure-Zapotecan lawyer, who in his youth had campaigned for the election of Guerrero, and who later served twelve years as president and champion of liberal causes.

Guerrero’s one offspring, Dolores, trained her children in the politics of her father, with whom she had been close. Her sons, Vicente and Carlos, became state governors under Juarez, son Jose a general and daughter Javiera, though prohibited from holding office, was significant enough behind the scenes to warrant a large statue. Generations of politicians and intellectuals poured from the family, including today’s prominent journalist Raymundo Riva Palacio. His writings include a 1987 anthology of his articles condemning the U.S. funding of the Contras against the Sandinista government of Nicaragua.

Today, the National Museum of History in Chapultepec Park honors only one family with its genealogical tree depicted on a wall, the family begun by Vicente Guerrero and his wife Guadalupe Hernandez.

Two other presidents of Mexico had known African heritage: Juan Almonte fought in the independence war and at the Alamo on the Mexican side. He turned conservative and his brief term as president is considered a bad one for the nation. Lazaro Cardenas was a key figure in the 1910 revolution. As president nationalized oil and issued sweeping land reform. A popular biography notes in the opening paragraph that his grandfather was “a mulato.”

The original of Guerrero’s address to congress reads, “If we succeed in protecting the rights of the individual, if equality under the law destroys the forces of power and money, if the primary title we use amongst ourselves is that of ‘citizen,’ if rewards are given exclusively for talent and virtue, then we have a republic, and it will be preserved through the universal suffrage of a solidly free and content people.”

Now back to our regularly scheduled program....

 

[Upptempo]

New York's Governor Cuomo said if looters aren't handled better by NYPD, he will overrule the Mayor of NYC and bring in the National Guard