Shaq trade offical like referree with a whistle (Planet Orange in SHOCK)

Shaq going for his 5th ring?
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Suns and Lakers will be way better than it already was.
 
Originally Posted by KayGeeDaGr8

As a Heat fan I wish Shaq nothing but the best.. Sun fans when he is motivated the man can play... with that said GO HEAT

I agree
 
Originally Posted by NBAdotcom

Originally Posted by Jdiddy931

Have you guys seen any suns games? I admit Marion is/was a big piece to our team, but this year, he plain out hasn't done anything.

Says the guy that once made a post "Yeah the Suns lost but Amare dunked on someone"
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Add me to the list of people who think this is good move for Phoenix. I give them a lot of credit for having the stones to roll the dice and try somethingdramatic.

And I think whoever said all the second-guessing is going to motivate Shaq is right. Shaq is most dangerous when he feels he has something to prove.

As an NBA fan, I personally am excited to see how this all plays out.
 
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@ Shaq on one front though, dude is hell bent on making sure Kobe doesn't get another ring
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While everyone is discussing about the Shaq impact, lemme say something about Marion's impact on the Suns. Marion will give them the hustle, defense, andrebounding the Heat are lacking from the SF/PF spot. I think he and D-Wade can win them some quality games. But the Suns will still be good but this will getthem to championship status.
 
Originally Posted by 23MCpizzle23

Originally Posted by Cant Nobody Stop Me

Originally Posted by 23MCpizzle23

Originally Posted by Cant Nobody Stop Me

Yeah, add me to that list too I think this will help the Suns.

Also do you guys not realize that Shaq has such a presence on the court that teams are going to be worrying about him whether he is healthy or not.
So i guess that helped the heat this year 2 huh.... I think not hes done...
Well when all you have to worry about besides Shaq is Wade then yeah the teams gonna suck

Edit: Not to mention all the injuries and the age of the players.
You made my point for me is shaq being traded gona magically make his hip better,,,, NO. And they just lost there leading rebounder and best defensive player for someone who for sure will only be able to give a minimal contribution. And you bring up age, this is a team with grant hill and a aging steve nash with back problems.

Yes, obviously it all depends on Shaq being healthy but also on the Heat he was a big part of the team unlike on the Suns where he has more help so he wonthave to do as much. This is turn should give him more time to rest in games unlike on the Heat where they needed him a lot more. What I think is that they aregoing to use him the bare minimal in the regular season just so they can be comfortable playing together and then he will perform in the playoffs when he isneeded which was the real reason for this trade.
Also, Marion was going to leave the Suns in the off season so they wanted to trade him so they could get something in return and they didnt think theywere serious contenders with the team they had and with rumors of Dallas trying to get Shaq.
 
It sounds like Shaq is in pretty good shape. ESPN just reported that he weighed in at around 320 lbs and 12% body fat.
 
Originally Posted by Cant Nobody Stop Me

Originally Posted by 23MCpizzle23

Originally Posted by Cant Nobody Stop Me

Originally Posted by 23MCpizzle23

Originally Posted by Cant Nobody Stop Me

Yeah, add me to that list too I think this will help the Suns.

Also do you guys not realize that Shaq has such a presence on the court that teams are going to be worrying about him whether he is healthy or not.
So i guess that helped the heat this year 2 huh.... I think not hes done...
Well when all you have to worry about besides Shaq is Wade then yeah the teams gonna suck

Edit: Not to mention all the injuries and the age of the players.
You made my point for me is shaq being traded gona magically make his hip better,,,, NO. And they just lost there leading rebounder and best defensive player for someone who for sure will only be able to give a minimal contribution. And you bring up age, this is a team with grant hill and a aging steve nash with back problems.

Yes, obviously it all depends on Shaq being healthy but also on the Heat he was a big part of the team unlike on the Suns where he has more help so he wont have to do as much. This is turn should give him more time to rest in games unlike on the Heat where they needed him a lot more. What I think is that they are going to use him the bare minimal in the regular season just so they can be comfortable playing together and then he will perform in the playoffs when he is needed which was the real reason for this trade.
Also, Marion was going to leave the Suns in the off season so they wanted to trade him so they could get something in return and they didnt think they were serious contenders with the team they had and with rumors of Dallas trying to get Shaq.
I agree with that i just think that they should have made this move last summer for RJ if they knew they wanted him gone Shaq is just the worst fit,but then again if dallas would have got him it would have sent the suns down to 4th after lakers spurs and NO.
 
PHOENIX -- The Phoenix Suns have acquired Shaquille O'Neal in a stunning, blockbuster deal that sends four-time All-Star Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks tothe Miami Heat. The improbable pairing of the speedy Suns and the slow but once-mighty O'Neal becameofficial when he cleared a physical exam Wednesday. Diesel and Dust Thanks in part to injuries, Shaquille O'Neal's numbers are downsignificantly from his career averages this season. While his field goal percentage remains steady, the Big Aristotle's minutes, points and rebounds pergame are well below his accustomed level of excellence. Shaq's first 15 seasons vs. 2007-08 Category First 15 2007-08 PPG 25.9 14.2 FG Pct. 58.0 58.1 RPG11.6 7.8 MPG 36.6 28.5 The trade, a dramatic move by first-year Phoenix general manager Steve Kerr, signals an unexpected change in philosophy for the Suns,adding a 7-foot-1, 325-pound center who has won four NBA championships but has been plagued by injuries in recent years and turns 36 next month. O'Neal hasbeen out with a hip injury and underwent an MRI exam in Miami on Tuesday. He flew to Phoenix on Wednesday for the physical. "I'm well aware thatI'm on the line," Kerr told The Associated Press. "That's my job. That's why I'm sitting in this seat. I'm comfortable with thedecision. I think it gives us a better chance to win, and a better chance to win in the playoffs." O'Neal has averaged 25.6 points and 11.5 reboundsin his 14-plus NBA seasons. This season, plagued by injuries and going through a divorce, he's averaging 14.2 points. His 14-year streak as an All-Starchoice came to an end this year. He missed much of the 2006-07 season with a knee injury and finished that year with career-lows in games (40), scoring (17.3points), rebounds (7.4), minutes (28.4) and free-throw percentage (.422). Phoenix gambled he will be healthy and more motivated when he moves to the desert.For the three-plus seasons since Steve Nash came to town, the speedy Suns have been darlings of NBA fans grown weary of the slow style that has prevailed foryears. But the Suns have fallen short in the playoffs, never making it to the finals. The addition of O'Neal doesn't necessarily put the brakes on therunning game, Kerr said. "We ran when Kurt Thomas was here. He got the rebound, and everybody else ran down the court," Kerr said. "We'restill going to run, but we feel like we'll have a better halfcourt team." Marion, weary of being third fiddle to Nash and Amare Stoudemire, asked tobe traded before the season began. He didn't get his wish and, although he refused to talk publicly about it, remained unhappy with his role. Still, histalents fit well with the fast-paced style that coach Mike D'Antoni wanted, especially with his ability to finish on a fast break. He also was theteam's best defender, guarding everyone from Tony Parker to Yao Ming. Marion, who has spent all of his 8½ NBA seasons with Phoenix, made the All-Star teamfive times, including the last three seasons. This year, though, he failed to make it, while Nash and Stoudemire did. Marion has an NBA career averages of 18.4points and 10 rebounds per game. This season he's averaging 15.8 points and 9.9 boards. In a statement, Kerr thanked Marion and Banks for theircontribution to the franchise. "Shawn in particular has been a tremendous player for this organization the past eight-and-a-half years and his impact bothon and off the court in Phoenix will not be forgotten," Kerr said. The Suns have the best record in the West (34-14) but have not played up to their ownexpectations. Their interior defense is among the NBA's worst. Kerr apparently felt that without a large presence inside, Phoenix could not combat the bigmen, such as Andrew Bynum and Tim Duncan, in the playoffs. With O'Neal on the court, Stoudemire can play his more natural power forward position.O'Neal's move west adds fuel to the already intense rivalry between the Suns, the Lakers and his old teammate Kobe Bryant. The trade required asignificant financial commitment from the budget-conscious owner Robert Sarver because O'Neal is scheduled to make $20 million this season and $20 millionmore each of the next two. Marion makes $16.4 million this year and could opt out of the $17 million final year of his contract after this season. Banks hasbeen in and out of the Suns' rotation the past two seasons. O'Neal entered this season talking about how he wanted to win at least one more title,saying his "legacy" wouldn't be complete unless he left the game with at least five rings. The Heat, though, have lost 19 of their last 20 gamesand have the NBA's worst record at 9-37. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


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The world will be watching if Steve Kerr will come out looking like a genius or a (*&# fool for this...
 
Originally Posted by jeoma789

While everyone is discussing about the Shaq impact, lemme say something about Marion's impact on the Suns. Marion will give them the hustle, defense, and rebounding the Heat are lacking from the SF/PF spot. I think he and D-Wade can win them some quality games. But the Suns will still be good but this will get them to championship status.
wade and marion arent enough to get the heat out of this funk. hopefully they get the number 1 pick next year so they can be big in the east.
 
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I still don't know how I feel about this trade. I mean yeah Shaq is slow, old, fat, but he can still put up 20 and 10. With Nash maybe more. Hopefully thisdoes work out.
 
I just don't get this trade at all... even when shaq was in good shape he wasn't running up and down the court the way the suns like to... i don'tknow, it definitely makes for good ratings and such.. but i can't see this being the missing piece for the Suns.. if anything i think it makes things moreconfusing for them.
 
Wednesday, February 6, 2008
So long, Suns, it's been fun
By J.A. Adande
ESPN.com

The disappointment isn't because Phoenix failed to win a championship with small ball. It's because the Suns stopped trying.

Trading Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks for Shaquille O'Neal might be a full-scale (albeit bizarre) attempt to grab a ring, but it also is an admission offailure for their way of basketball. They just sided with the skeptics and said, "You're right, we can't run our way to the Finals."

I'd rather see them go out like Tom Hanks in "Saving Private Ryan," pulling out his pistol and firing away at the German tank in a last desperateeffort to save the bridge. Or show some of that same defiance as Denzel Washington in "American Gangster," making one last trip to Asia to importmore heroin even though everybody's telling him the game is over.

Instead the Suns conformed.

I had a teacher who used to say revolution is impossible in a capitalistic society because any countercultural idea will quickly get bought up andmass-marketed and next thing you know Che Guevara t-shirts are going for $8.99.

The same goes for the NBA. They have widened the lane, brought in the 3-point shot, made it illegal to hand-check speedy guards … and it's still as much abig man's game as it was in the days of George Mikan.

The object is to get the best shot possible, and tall men dunking will always be the best option. If you wanted to win, that was the way to go. Michael Jordanruled the 1990s, but the further we get away from that time the more of an aberration it seems and the more we can put to rest any comparisons to him. He wonsix rings with Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley at center. There's no other like him.

For all others, the way to a championship is through the low post. Shaq and Tim Duncan have won eight of the past nine championships. Even when Magic and Birdwere racking up rings they still had Hall of Fame centers in the paint.

The inside game is not as fun, it's not as entertaining, but it's effective. In football, you win with defense and running; in baseball, you win withpitching. In life, you'd better eat your vegetables.

Kobe Bryant and the Lakers tried to fight these essential truths, and it ended about as happily as Othello. When Shaq was in L.A., the Lakers were better whenthe ball went through O'Neal, even if they were more boring. Besides, O'Neal provided plenty of entertainment before the cameras in the locker room.(He hasn't lost that touch, as he showed in a tribute to his alma mater before the BCS championship game.)

It might have been hard to admit for the franchise that brought us Showtime, but no team was ever going to get another ultimate point guard like Magic Johnsonsurrounded by finishers such as James Worthy, Byron Scott and Michael Cooper. But the circus couldn't have gone on without Kareem Abdul-Jabbar keeping thetent up. When things slowed down, they could always go inside to the greatest scorer in the history of the game.

Other teams (most notably Doug Moe's Denver Nuggets) tried to run without a true big man, but the Suns were our first viable alternative. Nutritious cottoncandy. Maybe, just maybe, they could outrun everybody to the ring. Even this season, with some nagging injuries and lingering chemistry issues, they still hadthe best record in the Western Conference before they pulled the trigger on the trade.

Perhaps it was the double-whammy of losing a home game to the depleted Spurs followed by the Lakers' acquisition of Pau Gasol the next day that spookedSuns GM Steve Kerr into action. The Suns got desperate. One involved party member called it "a last-ditch play."

All you need to know about this deal is that it doesn't fit the Headline Rule. That in itself should raise more red flags than a NASCAR race atMartinsville.

The Headline Rule dictates that the NBA team that gets the player in the headline automatically wins the trade. It was "Lakers Get Gasol," not"Kwame Traded to Grizzlies." Clear advantage: Lakers.

In this case, the news was Shaq got traded. But the people who think the Suns are better off for this move are in the minority. The more common reaction was:What were they thinking?

O'Neal doesn't fit the Suns' style or their payroll plans.

Some argue that Shaq can play the role of ex-Sun Kurt Thomas: rebounding and guarding the likes of Tim Duncan. If that's the case then why didn't theyjust keep Kurt Thomas at $8 million a year instead of taking on Shaq's contract at $20 million per through 2010?

And that way it wouldn't have cost them Marion. As much as anyone, Marion enabled the Suns to be the Suns. He could defend a variety of positions, he couldstart and finish fast breaks and he could hit open three-pointers. Everything they needed and wanted to do, he could provide. While Steve Nash got the acclaimand Amare Stoudemire got the dunks, Marion got the critical offensive rebounds.

No, Marion can't guard Duncan. But at the rate Shaq has picked up fouls this season, he might last only 20 minutes against the Quiet Storm. That'sassuming O'Neal can get on the court. He played in only four games last month. He'll turn 36 next month.

Some speculate the trade will motivate and rejuvenate him the way his exile from L.A. did in 2004. Surely the chance to squash Kobe's championship dreamsshould be good for a few extra reps in the weight room. But maybe his body can't keep up with his ego anymore. In this case the fall could goeth beforepride.

But even if he's slower, even if he can't jump as high, he's still 7-foot-1. You don't need to scheme or create a special offense for 7-foot-1.

Even Don Nelson, the ultimate oddball, took a nod toward tradition when he brought back Chris Webber. Like Shaq with the Suns, Webber's slower gamedoesn't appear to fit with the Warriors' style. But perhaps Golden State decided it need more passes to and from the post than threes being launchedfrom the hash mark.

If the Suns really wanted to take things to the extreme they would have signed Earl Boykins and set him loose in the backcourt with Leandro Barbosa. Insteadthey've gone the other way, toward the norm, toward the pack.

La revolución está muerta.
 
Originally Posted by Craftsy21

I just don't get this trade at all... even when shaq was in good shape he wasn't running up and down the court the way the suns like to... i don't know, it definitely makes for good ratings and such.. but i can't see this being the missing piece for the Suns.. if anything i think it makes things more confusing for them.

You're right. It makes no sense for the Suns to get involved with Shaq (his salary + on-court attributes).
I think they felt compelled to have a big man in order to get out of the West. The bad thing, however, is that
his skills are not gonna get any better. His contract, on the other hand, is a gift that never stops giving. He doesn't
even fit into their style of play. Who knows...
 
I'm betting this doesnt work out for phx. this was on truehoop earlier.

"he's blowing layups. Layup after layup after layup after layup. It's horrible to watch. He's a first-rate talent. He's getting the shotevery coach dreams about: point blank, with no real defensive distractions. And then he just misses it..........................I had watched about 20 clips ofhim before it really struck me how true it is that the man can not jump anymore."

I'm not saying it's a guarantee flop, it might work, I just think people are overly optimistic, fondly remembering how outstandingly great he was, andthe real likelihood is father time has caught up with shaq.
 
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