Shaq trade offical like referree with a whistle (Planet Orange in SHOCK)

[airuphere23]

Originally Posted by kidoopz

Originally Posted by Fede DPT

Great trade for Heat in terms of the money.

No not really.. Shaq: 2 yrs 40 mill... Marion (You have to renew his contract and to keep him in Miami is going to be costly.. Not to mention he's about to turn 30): 4 yrs 78 Mill *He already makes 17 a year and wanted more in Phoenix*.... and add Marcus Banks: 2 yr 8 Mill.. So it's really a push come money wise.. But, Miami doesn't have to resign bums like Ricky Davis, Jason Williams and Mourning is going to retire.. You'll get a 1-3 pick.. and can probably add a Brand in the off-season.. This is a good deal for Miami as well..

So what!!? At least Miami got rid of the big lug who rathersit on the bench and watch the game than actually gettiing on the court and earning his keep. He's got all of these side projects in his life like lawenforcement...he's not worried about basketball anymore. He's only in the league to collect a paycheck. As far as Shawn Marion and Banks go....even ifthey Heat don't restructure the deal with those guys they can easily get even younger talent on that team instead of the big ageless wonder ShaquilleO'Neal. As I mentioned, Phoenix is ******ed for taking 2 components away from their team..........what do they get out of it!? Shaq's old, he'slazy, he's got other options in life and he's definitely not as hungry to win a Championship like the rest of the Suns. This is a terrrible move forPhoenix.

 

[burns1923]

I wasn't expecting this deal to exactly be praised but the amount of hate is wild. As a serious Suns fan, I think it's important to try to look at thebig picture and give this thing the benefit of the doubt.

Marion was gone. Period. Suns were not going to pay him 20 mil per on an extension. And it was very real that he would opt out this summer, leaving Phoenixwith nothing in return. I know I don't want to see the same Suns team bow out yet again in the playoffs. We need a center; 15 and 10 a night and a presencein the paint. I'm not saying Shaq is the 2000 Shaq or even the 2006 Shaq. But he is still Shaq and can give the Suns just enough to give them their bestshot yet at a title without any glaring deficiencies, as in how the frontline has been small for the past 4 years.

I just think, based on trying to consider all the sides of this deal, that it has a good shot of working out. If it works out, the Suns look like they couldwin it. However, win or lose, I don't see this as the disaster so many people seem to think it is. At the very least, just wait and see how it plays out.

 

[starbury03]

Originally Posted by JsindaA


#1 You tell me how Shaq won't be the focus...he has to start. He can't run in their offense. So they have to change according to him. How that isn't the focus is beyond me.

#2 I didn't say Bynum was ready...my statements were based on his play so far.

#3 Anyone who has watched Odom play knows he isn't comfortable as the #2 scoring option with Bryant, Gasol, and Bynum he won't have to be.

#4 Didn't say doomed...just have no clue how this works out for them. Not the only one who sees it that way.

#5 He's played for the Grizz...I'll repeat...He's played for the Grizz.

#1 There's some guy on the team named Steve Nash. Oh..thats right. And why would he run the offense? Whatchu smokin' son?!

#2 That statement means nothing then.

#3You just side stepped your response. That's been stated many times by numerous people. It still doesn't change the fact that he sucks, and willcontinue to suck it up into the playoffs.

#4 Of course you don't have a clue.

#5 Is that supposed to justify anything?


BTW this is the Shaq trade to PHX thread, not the Laker thread. So please take your rebuttals back to the laker thread where they can RIP.

 

[tupac003]

Originally Posted by JsindaA

Originally Posted by tupac003

Bynum is great but he is no where close to a top 3 center. I really really see why laker fans are hated because damn some of us say some real stupid mess.

The suns still are the best team in the west record wise so I don't understand why they make this deal. If they some how some way win the chip, steve kerr will be a god in PHX.

How can you use the word great to descibe him? There aren't even alot of good centers in the league let alone great.

I can use the word great because he has been great for us. I don't know how many laker games you watched this year but we have been doing greatwith him. I am not saying he is the best center in the NBA or any thing close to that but he has done great things for us. With him in we were the top team inthe west. Its not always about stats but he fits good with us.

When shaq speaks you listen. He told the heat he would bring them a title and he did. If he tells nash he won't let him down I believe him. He always playslike crap in the regular season. He will turn it on and I just hope that if we match up with the suns we have enough to beat them.

 

[acidicality]

Yeah...kinda looking back at this trade....if this works Kerr will turn out to be a genius. I would not bet against Shaq in the playoffs....who knows.

But one thing is certain FOR SURE-the window of opportunity to get to the Finals for the Suns got smaller after this trade (if it wasn't small already).

 

[bobby24k]

Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

* I don't know where the idea came about that Shaq is a slob w/ a cane. Dude is in incredible shape and OBVIOUSLY coasting through the season. He WILL turn it on...albeit not in his 2001 form.

yup

I would never bet against Shaq.

same here




You have got to be kidding me, Shaq has never been in shape even during those championship runs, just ask Phil, Kobe, Buss, or even Riley. He's justalways been bigger than anybody so it makes up for his lack of conditioning. I'm just interested to see how he does, they say that he's loss someweight, down to 312 from 325 with less body fat, I won't believe it until I see it though.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by starbury03

Originally Posted by JsindaA


#1 You tell me how Shaq won't be the focus...he has to start. He can't run in their offense. So they have to change according to him. How that isn't the focus is beyond me.

#2 I didn't say Bynum was ready...my statements were based on his play so far.

#3 Anyone who has watched Odom play knows he isn't comfortable as the #2 scoring option with Bryant, Gasol, and Bynum he won't have to be.

#4 Didn't say doomed...just have no clue how this works out for them. Not the only one who sees it that way.

#5 He's played for the Grizz...I'll repeat...He's played for the Grizz.

#1 There's some guy on the team named Steve Nash. Oh..thats right. And why would he run the offense? Whatchu smokin' son?!

#2 That statement means nothing then.

#3You just side stepped your response. That's been stated many times by numerous people. It still doesn't change the fact that he sucks, and will continue to suck it up into the playoffs.

#4 Of course you don't have a clue.

#5 Is that supposed to justify anything?


BTW this is the Shaq trade to PHX thread, not the Laker thread. So please take your rebuttals back to the laker thread where they can RIP.

I know what thread it is...thanks for the heads up...but beingthat it started out talking about Shaq with PHX, I'm not off topic. Steve Nash RUNS the offense...I stated that already. Shaq will be the FOCUS. Twoentirely different things. He has to be the focus because he's the biggest thing on the court. The Suns are going to HAVE to change their offense in themiddle of the season. Which I'm 95% sure isn't gonna go to well. So if they fail this season they have a total of 1 year left to get a ring anythingless would be a failure.

 

[ai bundy]

For Bynum and Pau being so mediocure it sure got the whole western conference shook. When was the last time the team with the best record went out and hadto make a desperation trade like this. Phoenix does have the best record with their previous roster.

 

[N41D]

This argument about centers...

If I'm taking a guy for only THIS YEAR, based off what I've seen THIS YEAR (and I'll take out the supposed tweeners because they "aren'tnatural C's"

), I'm taking Tyson Chandler and Marcus Camby (dominating games defensively and on the glass, take whatever comes to themoffensively), Chris Kaman (probably the closest call, but Kaman is playing out of his mind this year), Amare, Yao, Dwight, and Al Jefferson (those last 4aren't even close) before I take Bynum.

Now, if I'm looking at the future, I still take any of the last 4 before Bynum, but Bynum passes the other 3 because he's got a higher ceiling and moreroom for improvement.

For Bynum and Pau being so mediocure it sure got the whole western conference shook.
Phoenix making a trade means the entire Western Conference is shook? OK.

 

[tupac003]

I don't know about making shaq the focus. He is hurt right now as we speak. He should be doing the physical as we speak. What if is hip is worse then weknow? This deal may not happen.

 

[championhood]

i hope shaq's phyisical don't pass...man what kinda morons da suns are.....

marion was your 2nd best player. BEST defender overall.....

 

[willinc]

wow, amazing how a post about shaq being traded to phoenix turns into an argument about andrew bynum

but anyway, this deal aint done yet ? im getting worried phoenix will pull out

 

[8tothe24]

Shaq is as desperate to stop Kobe from getting another ring just as much as PHX is desperate to stop the Lakers from getting another ring.

 

[nbadotcom]

Originally Posted by WILLINC

wow, amazing how a post about shaq being traded to phoenix turns into an argument about andrew bynum

Amazing how Fakers fans can troll in any thread and make this about their team

 

[N41D]

Steve Nash RUNS the offense...I stated that already. Shaq will be the FOCUS. Two entirely different things. He has to be the focus because he's the biggest thing on the court. The Suns are going to HAVE to change their offense in the middle of the season. Which I'm 95% sure isn't gonna go to well. So if they fail this season they have a total of 1 year left to get a ring anything less would be a failure.
I really don't see why Shaq has to be the focus of the Suns offense... Though this:

He has to be the focus because he's the biggest thing on the court.
is about the absolute silliest thing I've ever read... So, DJ Mbenga is the focus of the Laker offense when he's on the court? No. Shaqdoes not need to be, nor will he be the focus of that offense in Phoenix.

They are going to have to change things up a bit. They can still run, but they can't do it for 48 minutes. And when they get into the half-court,they're going to have to change up the way they run the pick and roll. It's been Nash and Amare/Marion for the last two years with jump shooters aroundthe perimeter, and it was killer. Shaq can't run a pick and roll, and all he's going to do when they go with Amare/Nash in that set is clog the laneand be in the way... Maybe it works, but the offense needs some serious tweeking, IMO.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by tupac003

Originally Posted by JsindaA

Originally Posted by tupac003

Bynum is great but he is no where close to a top 3 center. I really really see why laker fans are hated because damn some of us say some real stupid mess.

The suns still are the best team in the west record wise so I don't understand why they make this deal. If they some how some way win the chip, steve kerr will be a god in PHX.

How can you use the word great to descibe him? There aren't even alot of good centers in the league let alone great.

I can use the word great because he has been great for us. I don't know how many laker games you watched this year but we have been doing great with him. I am not saying he is the best center in the NBA or any thing close to that but he has done great things for us. With him in we were the top team in the west. Its not always about stats but he fits good with us.

When shaq speaks you listen. He told the heat he would bring them a title and he did. If he tells nash he won't let him down I believe him. He always plays like crap in the regular season. He will turn it on and I just hope that if we match up with the suns we have enough to beat them.

I said that from jump....I might have been a little over the top in saying top 3 in the league but I wouldn't be taking anyone but D12 or Yao over him.Period.

 

[tupac003]

Originally Posted by NBAdotcom

Originally Posted by WILLINC

wow, amazing how a post about shaq being traded to phoenix turns into an argument about andrew bynum

Amazing how Fakers fans can troll in any thread and make this about their team

Troll? Please. You are the king of trolling.

 

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[frenchblue23]

Originally Posted by NBAdotcom

Originally Posted by WILLINC

wow, amazing how a post about shaq being traded to phoenix turns into an argument about andrew bynum

Amazing how Fakers fans can troll in any thread and make this about their team

Zo... come on, calling someone else a troll?

 

[hole in the earth]

so basically this means Phoenix has 2 years (maximum) left to win the title..cant wait to see Shaq play with a legit PG in Nash...and Amare going to the 4spot...

 

[stringer bell 32]

Originally Posted by tupac003

Originally Posted by NBAdotcom

Originally Posted by WILLINC

wow, amazing how a post about shaq being traded to phoenix turns into an argument about andrew bynum

Amazing how Fakers fans can troll in any thread and make this about their team

Troll? Please. You are the king of trolling.

Then you're making your play for the crown

 

[lawdog1]

Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0206shaqlatest.html

Shaq To Nash: "I Will Not Let You Down"

Shaquille O'Neal delivered a title to the Miami Heat and he hopes to do the same for the Phoenix Suns .

O'Neal spoke with Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire on Tuesday.

"I will not let you down," O'Neal told Nash on the phone.

According to the report in the Arizona Republic, O'Neal is down to 312 pounds and is expected to easily pass his physical

312? I'm sorry, I like Shaq and I believe he still something left, but I don't think he's weighed 312 since probably his rookie year. Ifhe's at 330, I'd consider it good.

 

[tupac003]

Originally Posted by Stringer Bell 32

Originally Posted by tupac003

Originally Posted by NBAdotcom

Originally Posted by WILLINC

wow, amazing how a post about shaq being traded to phoenix turns into an argument about andrew bynum

Amazing how Fakers fans can troll in any thread and make this about their team

Troll? Please. You are the king of trolling.

Then you're making your play for the crown

And so are you....

 

[sohi 23]

Originally Posted by lawdog1

Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0206shaqlatest.html

Shaq To Nash: "I Will Not Let You Down"

Shaquille O'Neal delivered a title to the Miami Heat and he hopes to do the same for the Phoenix Suns .

O'Neal spoke with Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire on Tuesday.

"I will not let you down," O'Neal told Nash on the phone.

According to the report in the Arizona Republic, O'Neal is down to 312 pounds and is expected to easily pass his physical

312? I'm sorry, I like Shaq and I believe he still something left, but I don't think he's weighed 312 since probably his rookie year. If he's at 330, I'd consider it good.

There is no way Shaq is down to 312

 

[senorroboto2k5]

Did anybody read the thing that I posted last night? That the Suns made this move because Dallas was making an aggresive move for Shaq?