Originally Posted by Bigmike23
10 and 9 gets your 10 million a year?
Stats tell the entire story?! Oh please. Can you come up with a better response than that? I could say something similar about Sasha getting paid. You canmake the argument that him being overpaid was justified. I can do the same with Andris. Just watch...
Originally Posted by Bigmike23
if the russian team wanted him let his #++ walk then. he has limited offense game and i seen it getting no better then it is, plus you add in the fact that in that warriors system he is never going to have plays called for him he ant going to get better on the offense end. he is soft and picks up fouls QUICK. in 27 minutes of play dude almost AVG 4 fouls a game. He ant close to been a top center in the NBA nor does he have the skill set or talent to become one. and it ant like he having a tyson chandler or a few years ago ben wallace impact on the defense and hustle side of the floor
So we're going to let him walk? For nothing?! Wow, in an offseason where we let a handful of players walk, including Baron Davis, and we gotnothing to show for it... would letting Biedrins walk be smart? I don't think so.
You say he's got a limited offensive game. Oh yeah? He's a skilled big man who has soft hands and can finish around the basket. And since you like touse stats to justify yourself (10 and 9 that you said earlier), he led the league in FG% last year at 62.3%. He is really good from 5ft in. That's how hecan shoot that effectively. You can come up with the argument about him outside of 5ft, but like I said about our style and players that surround him, we canafford for him to not really shoot outside of 5ft. Will it hinder us and what we like to do? It hasn't since he's played in the Nellieball system sowhy would it now? He's effective for our system because he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. He can rebound, put back, tip in, and weuse him on pick and rolls effectively. If you actually watch our games and take note of what we like to do, you'll see the high pick and roll with Montaand Andris numerous times. We just don't run all over the place for 48 minutes
.
You want to bring up that he won't get better? Let me just say that Biedrins is 22. That's young and for a player at 22, he's already had 3 yearsof experience (I'm not counting his rookie year because he had limited to only 30 games). Andris has improved every single year that he's been in theleague. He was a raw talent when the Warriors picked him up with the 11th pick in 2004 For someone who hasn't really watched him play, he has shown ininternational play that he has some post moves when he gets it in the low post. Nellie doesn't really utilize that aspect of Andris' game because likeI said, he's still very raw, but he has show the ability to do it. Your original claim was that Biedrins has no more room to improve and I gave you oneaspect of his game that he can improve on. Here's another one. In his 2nd year in the league, Andris' FT% was horrid at 30.6% for the whole season.Then the following year, he improved it to 52.1%. Then last year, Andris improved it again to 62%. I see an improvment there, don't you? We have a shootingcoach by the name of Sidney Moncrief and he's been working with our entire team on FTs. He was a great shooter in his own right and knows what he'stalking about. He's praised Andris and his improvement form year to year. To think that Andris can't improve his FT% would be foolish because wehonestly don't know how good he can become, but again the tools are there for Andris to improve. You can pinpoint and magify his unusual form and whatnotbut others who have better form can't shoot for
. Andris can become a 70% FT shooter, I believeand if he surpasses my expectations, then terrific. So I just gave you two aspects of his game that I could see improving in the next year or so. You stillthink that he has no room to improve?
Why call him soft? Nothing about Andris is soft. Can you site examples where Andris has exhibited signs of being soft? Andris being soft is a commonmisconception. He's doing what he can in his 6'11" 245lbs frame. But he isn't soft. Does he shy away from contact? No. Does he complain abouta little hangnail and is on the IL for weeks (horrible example, I know but you get the idea)? No. What about Andris is soft? Is it his hair-do? Hair hasnothing to do with how a player performs
. Is it because he doesn't have a Dwight Howard body? Not everyone can have deltoids like that guy
.Like I said before, Andris does what he can in his 6'11" 245 frame.
You want to bring up the fact that Andris gets into foul trouble? Ok, he actually goes after shot attempts and tries to swat them (in play mind you not out ofplay so the other team still has possession). You're going to pick up fouls that way, especially with the way officiating is nowadays where little contactis being called a foul. At least he doesn't just stand there with his hands up in the air looking for a charge from a 6'2" guard (i.e., AndersonVarejao). Andris gives maximum effort when he's out on the court, better than a few "stars" of the league who like to take "breaks"(i.e., Carmelo Anthony on defense and others). In Andris' defense, the FSN/Comcast Bay Area television crew show replays of fouls a lot, more than otherstations than I've seen, and Andris gets called for fouls when there is none committed. Supposedly, when a player builds a reputation, the refs willeventually let contact go (i.e., Ron Artest and Bruce Bowen). Andris has only been in the league since 2004 and is still very young. His public perception willsoon change with the league and all the scrutiny that it's been going under with these refs.
Who honestly plays defense in this league nowadays? Yeah, players who actually play defense are far and between. No one's asking Biedrins to have that kindof impact on defense. I mean, it'd be great if he did. But our team (with Nellie
) doesn't play defense. And Andris is the only player wholegitimately plays defense on our squad. One man can't do it alone. Look at the Celtics, Spurs, Pistons, etc it takes a total team effort. Honestly, whatkind of "impact" are you expecting from Andris alone?
On why we need Andris, he's a big man that can run the floor, has soft hands to catch passes and finish, no interior presence (though we have a few youngkids who can if they develop that aspect of their game), can play the high pick and roll effectively with, and doesn't complain about playing time or ifhe's coming off the bench or starting. Without Andris, we'd have a gaping hole at all these aspects of the game. That's why we need him. Hisskillset (as is, if he improves then great, but yeah as is) is tailor made for our style and the way we play. Let's plug in somebody here that wouldn'tfit... Uhh Shaq. He wouldn't fit. Eddy Curry wouldn't fit. Not a lot of players really fit the big man that Nellie envisions having, though Amare andKG would be ideal, they're far and between. Like I said about Andris' skillset, it fits.
Like I said, he's still young and improving. I could justify him earning that contract better than you tried to dismiss him for earning it.
