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There's just something about shoot-first point guards that I wouldn't want on my team.
Ska its been going on long enough...time to lock....
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That's why at times there were talks if the Wizards were better without Gilbert. Regardless, he's a good shooter, he's a good passer, and hehas size. I wish the best to Gilbert, he's an amazing player, and entertainer.
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The market says Arenas is worth more so what can you say?
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[h1]Paul agrees on four-year, $68M deal to keep him in New Orleans[/h1]
Associated Press
Updated: July 3, 2008, 8:31 PM ET
NEW ORLEANS -- Chris Paul and the New Orleans Hornets reached a contract agreement Thursday that could keep the All-Star point guard with the team for at least the next four seasons.
Paul
Lance Young, Paul's agent, said Paul agreed to a three-year extension with a player's option for a fourth year. The total value of the deal is $68 million.
Paul, who recently completed his third NBA season and has been selected to play for the United States in the Olympics, has one season remaining on his current contract. Under league rules, the first day the Hornets can formalize Paul's new contract is July 9.
Paul and Young met with Hornets general manager Jeff Bower at the team's training center in suburban New Orleans on Wednesday, but Young, who is based in the Washington, D.C., area with the sports management and marking company Octagon, flew home Thursday morning without the final details nailed down.
Young said he had a conference call with Bower in the afternoon and a final agreement was reached a few hours later.
The Hornets will pay Paul the maximum allowable under the NBA's collective bargaining agreement, starting at 25 percent of the salary cap for the first year of the extension, with 10 percent raises thereafter.
Last season, Paul led the NBA with averages of 11.6 assists and 2.7 steals. He was the Hornets' second-leading scorer, averaging 21.1 points in helping the Hornets reach a franchise-record 56 regular season victories.
His performance landed him in his first All-Star game, which was hosted by New Orleans.
Paul's play on the court, combined with his charismatic presence at numerous community events, may have saved pro basketball in a city that was in danger of losing its professional teams after Hurricane Katrina struck in August 2005.
The New Orleans Arena routinely sold out during the second half of last season and the playoffs.
The Hornets also have sold more than 5,000 new season tickets for next season. The Hornets now have about 10,000 season-ticket holders, the most they've had since moving to New Orleans from Charlotte for the 2002-03 season.
With Paul's future in New Orleans secure, the Hornets expect to be busy in free agency, having traded their only draft choice last week to the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for $3 million, which they intend to spend on a proven player.
The hope is that top available players will seize the chance to join Paul, a proven playmaker who has helped teammates David West and Tyson Chandler flourish while leading the Hornets to within one victory of reaching the Western Conference finals.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
Reports: Arenas agrees to six-year, $111M contract to help Wizards' future
WASHINGTON -- Gilbert Arenas isaccepting less money from the Washington Wizards, invokingan attitude far, far removed from the world of his working-class fans.
"What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can't do with $111 million?" he told The Washington Post.
The unpredictable three-time All-Star point guard, in vintage Agent Zero fashion, told the Post and the Washington Times on Thursday that he has agreed tore-sign for $111 million over six years, considerably less than the maximum deal he said the Wizards offered him when the free agency period began onTuesday.
Arenas negotiated the deal from China, where is traveling as part of promotional tour for a shoe company, and did so without an agent.
"I'm basically giving back $16 million," Arenas told the Washington Times. "This is in line with what I've been saying the wholetime. You see players take max deals and they financially bind their teams. I don't wanna be one of those players and three years down the road your teamis strapped and can't do anything about it."
Arenas became a free agent after opting out of the final year of his six-year, $65 million contract at the end of last season. He initially said he wasopting out to receive a max contract, but he later indicated he would be flexible in negotiations.
[h4]Expensive Arenas[/h4]
Since the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement was put in place in 1999, only five players have signed larger total contracts than Gilbert Arenas (six years, $111 million) agreed to on Thursday night. Here's a look:
[table] Largest Total Contracts
in NBA Since 1999 [tr][td]Player[/td] [td]Year Signed[/td] [td]Total[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Kobe Bryant[/td] [td]2004[/td] [td]$136.4M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jermaine O'Neal[/td] [td]2003[/td] [td]$126.6M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Rashard Lewis[/td] [td]2007[/td] [td]$126M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Chris Webber[/td] [td]2001[/td] [td]$122.7M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Tim Duncan[/td] [td]2003[/td] [td]$122M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Gilbert Arenas[/td] [td]2008[/td] [td]$111M*[/td] [/tr][tr][td]* Agreed to contract[/td] [/tr][/table]
Arenas also said that he would not re-sign unless the team retained two-time All-Star forward Antawn Jamison. The Wizards lived up to that part of the bargainMonday by giving Jamison a four-year, $50 million deal.
Arenas has proven to be one of the most dynamic players in the NBA when healthy, but a major knee and an overzealous rehabilitation sidelined him for mostof the last season. He had a first surgery on the knee in April 2007, tried to come back too soon and had a second operation in November. He missed 66 gamesbefore returning late in the season, but he had to shut himself down again during the first-round playoff series against Cleveland.
Arenas has vowed to be more cautious about his rehab this time, and the state of his knee didn't appear to devalue his worth in talks with theWizards.
The Wizards cannot comment on talks with Arenas or announce the deal until a league-mandated moratorium expires next week.
Arenas has averaged 22.8 points, 5.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in his seven-season NBA career. He was known as much for his tantrums as for on-court playwhen he came to Washington from Golden State in 2003, but he began to display more maturity as he developed into a take-over-the-game player with a knack forhitting buzzer-beating shots. Although he still has his many quirks -- yelling "Hibachi!" after making a big shot is just one of many -- he hashelped the Wizards became a playoff regular.
Arenas' deal means the Wizards will have room to sign other players -- including free agent guard Roger Mason -- and still remain under the league's luxurytax.
"It's a relief," Arenas told the Washington Times. "It was a burden at the same time. Your whole city is depending on you, wondering ifyou're going to make the right decision. I'm a franchise player and sometimes franchise players need to make franchise decisions."
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
Associated Press
Updated: July 3, 2008, 8:31 PM ET
NEW ORLEANS -- Chris Paul and the New Orleans Hornets reached a contract agreement Thursday that could keep the All-Star point guard with the team for at least the next four seasons.
Paul
Lance Young, Paul's agent, said Paul agreed to a three-year extension with a player's option for a fourth year. The total value of the deal is $68 million.
Paul, who recently completed his third NBA season and has been selected to play for the United States in the Olympics, has one season remaining on his current contract. Under league rules, the first day the Hornets can formalize Paul's new contract is July 9.
Paul and Young met with Hornets general manager Jeff Bower at the team's training center in suburban New Orleans on Wednesday, but Young, who is based in the Washington, D.C., area with the sports management and marking company Octagon, flew home Thursday morning without the final details nailed down.
Young said he had a conference call with Bower in the afternoon and a final agreement was reached a few hours later.
The Hornets will pay Paul the maximum allowable under the NBA's collective bargaining agreement, starting at 25 percent of the salary cap for the first year of the extension, with 10 percent raises thereafter.
Last season, Paul led the NBA with averages of 11.6 assists and 2.7 steals. He was the Hornets' second-leading scorer, averaging 21.1 points in helping the Hornets reach a franchise-record 56 regular season victories.
His performance landed him in his first All-Star game, which was hosted by New Orleans.
Paul's play on the court, combined with his charismatic presence at numerous community events, may have saved pro basketball in a city that was in danger of losing its professional teams after Hurricane Katrina struck in August 2005.
The New Orleans Arena routinely sold out during the second half of last season and the playoffs.
The Hornets also have sold more than 5,000 new season tickets for next season. The Hornets now have about 10,000 season-ticket holders, the most they've had since moving to New Orleans from Charlotte for the 2002-03 season.
With Paul's future in New Orleans secure, the Hornets expect to be busy in free agency, having traded their only draft choice last week to the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for $3 million, which they intend to spend on a proven player.
The hope is that top available players will seize the chance to join Paul, a proven playmaker who has helped teammates David West and Tyson Chandler flourish while leading the Hornets to within one victory of reaching the Western Conference finals.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
Reports: Arenas agrees to six-year, $111M contract to help Wizards' future
WASHINGTON -- Gilbert Arenas isaccepting less money from the Washington Wizards, invokingan attitude far, far removed from the world of his working-class fans.
"What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can't do with $111 million?" he told The Washington Post.
The unpredictable three-time All-Star point guard, in vintage Agent Zero fashion, told the Post and the Washington Times on Thursday that he has agreed tore-sign for $111 million over six years, considerably less than the maximum deal he said the Wizards offered him when the free agency period began onTuesday.
Arenas negotiated the deal from China, where is traveling as part of promotional tour for a shoe company, and did so without an agent.
"I'm basically giving back $16 million," Arenas told the Washington Times. "This is in line with what I've been saying the wholetime. You see players take max deals and they financially bind their teams. I don't wanna be one of those players and three years down the road your teamis strapped and can't do anything about it."
Arenas became a free agent after opting out of the final year of his six-year, $65 million contract at the end of last season. He initially said he wasopting out to receive a max contract, but he later indicated he would be flexible in negotiations.
[h4]Expensive Arenas[/h4]
Since the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement was put in place in 1999, only five players have signed larger total contracts than Gilbert Arenas (six years, $111 million) agreed to on Thursday night. Here's a look:
[table] Largest Total Contracts
in NBA Since 1999 [tr][td]Player[/td] [td]Year Signed[/td] [td]Total[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Kobe Bryant[/td] [td]2004[/td] [td]$136.4M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jermaine O'Neal[/td] [td]2003[/td] [td]$126.6M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Rashard Lewis[/td] [td]2007[/td] [td]$126M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Chris Webber[/td] [td]2001[/td] [td]$122.7M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Tim Duncan[/td] [td]2003[/td] [td]$122M[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Gilbert Arenas[/td] [td]2008[/td] [td]$111M*[/td] [/tr][tr][td]* Agreed to contract[/td] [/tr][/table]
Arenas also said that he would not re-sign unless the team retained two-time All-Star forward Antawn Jamison. The Wizards lived up to that part of the bargainMonday by giving Jamison a four-year, $50 million deal.
Arenas has proven to be one of the most dynamic players in the NBA when healthy, but a major knee and an overzealous rehabilitation sidelined him for mostof the last season. He had a first surgery on the knee in April 2007, tried to come back too soon and had a second operation in November. He missed 66 gamesbefore returning late in the season, but he had to shut himself down again during the first-round playoff series against Cleveland.
Arenas has vowed to be more cautious about his rehab this time, and the state of his knee didn't appear to devalue his worth in talks with theWizards.
The Wizards cannot comment on talks with Arenas or announce the deal until a league-mandated moratorium expires next week.
Arenas has averaged 22.8 points, 5.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in his seven-season NBA career. He was known as much for his tantrums as for on-court playwhen he came to Washington from Golden State in 2003, but he began to display more maturity as he developed into a take-over-the-game player with a knack forhitting buzzer-beating shots. Although he still has his many quirks -- yelling "Hibachi!" after making a big shot is just one of many -- he hashelped the Wizards became a playoff regular.
Arenas' deal means the Wizards will have room to sign other players -- including free agent guard Roger Mason -- and still remain under the league's luxurytax.
"It's a relief," Arenas told the Washington Times. "It was a burden at the same time. Your whole city is depending on you, wondering ifyou're going to make the right decision. I'm a franchise player and sometimes franchise players need to make franchise decisions."
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
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Some of yall Warriors fans be hyping up Wright too much. I dont see nothing too special that you would focus on him being part of the rebuilding/futureprocess. Now Monta is a different thing...But hes a SG!
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Damn....
That boy CP getting paid.
That boy CP getting paid.
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thats what i thought about drew gooden, rodney rodgers, and donell marshall...
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Agree completely...
If you look at the Lakers, Jazz, Spurs, Rockets, and Hornets as solidly in the playoffs, the Diddy signing only puts the Clippers in the group of Dallas, Phoenix, Denver, and Portland fighting it out for those last two or three spots... That's only if they retain Brand, though...
I like the way the Clips' starting 5 would lay out, but there's still not enough depth on the bench for them to really make a lot of noise, IMO...
tell that to mjimaclipperfan
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CP3 gettin 17 mill a year
, well deserved IMO
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I forgot bout that rashard lewis contract
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I meant to say 3....a SF. My fault.
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Originally Posted by air max 87
I forgot bout that rashard lewis contract
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Originally Posted by acidicality
who the hell was hyping up Wright to be something that great? on any account, if you watched warrior games and he was on your team, you would know he showed a lot of promise as a rookie and did a lot of good things. he's still young and still has potential to grow/improve, and from what we've seen so far it's very encouraging. he didn't get much PT last year because nellie was coaching and he hates rookies more than Phil Jackson and that's saying a lot. he hasn't shown anything discouraging at all.
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what the hell?Originally Posted by Bigmike23
Originally Posted by acidicality
who the hell was hyping up Wright to be something that great? on any account, if you watched warrior games and he was on your team, you would know he showed a lot of promise as a rookie and did a lot of good things. he's still young and still has potential to grow/improve, and from what we've seen so far it's very encouraging. he didn't get much PT last year because nellie was coaching and he hates rookies more than Phil Jackson and that's saying a lot. he hasn't shown anything discouraging at all.
are we supposed to think he's a bust or something? get the hell out of here.
no one's saying he's the next chris bosh or some random %$$+ like that, we're saying we feel good that he will become pretty good, but NOBODY herewas saying what some Laker fans do to hype up Bynum-saying they'd take him over Oden and Howard anyday. will he be good? that remains to be seen. but wejust feel he has a good chance.
the only way we would not be hyping up wright is saying dude sucks.
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If u read anything yall type it would make it seen like if wright got more PT yall was a LOCK to be in the playoffs. that=hyping the hell out of someone. andone laker fan picked bynum over howard, for a GSW fan who hates when people group yall into one yall sure do it alot for laker fans
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notice i said "some" and not all. yeah that was just one person, so maybe "one" would have been more appropriate-the point is, wedon't even say anything as bad as that and you act like warrior fans said stuff as bad as that.Originally Posted by Bigmike23
If u read anything yall type it would make it seen like if wright got more PT yall was a LOCK to be in the playoffs. that=hyping the hell out of someone. and one laker fan picked bynum over howard, for a GSW fan who hates when people group yall into one yall sure do it alot for laker fans
whatever man, it's not even worth getting into it.
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The way the GSW fans saw Brandan Wright is a step in the right direction. Not a player who's going to come in and break down walls and come in and wreckhavoc on the L. The fact that they traded away Jason Richardson and got Wright in return left a lot of expectations from the FO and also from Wright. There wasmore hope from the Warriors that Nellie would give him more PT, not because they thought it would make them a legitimate contender, but to get them movingforward, and let him get PT over guys like Pietrus, Barnes, or Harrington, who all saw minutes at the four this year.
(The issue with Wright being a four is somewhat flawed since Nellie will play MAD small-ball with that team last year).
EDIT: I got this feeling from not only watching a lot of the Warriors games (probably about 65-70 throughout the season), but also because I lurk in the GSWseason/off-season threads. From an unbiased PoV, I see Warriors/their fans as having high hopes for the kid, and if he doesn't work out, he doesn't.
(The issue with Wright being a four is somewhat flawed since Nellie will play MAD small-ball with that team last year).
EDIT: I got this feeling from not only watching a lot of the Warriors games (probably about 65-70 throughout the season), but also because I lurk in the GSWseason/off-season threads. From an unbiased PoV, I see Warriors/their fans as having high hopes for the kid, and if he doesn't work out, he doesn't.
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exactly. if you got the impression people thought the warriors would be in the playoffs if Wright got more PT, it's not even about Wright atall.
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Originally Posted by Bigmike23
If u read anything yall type it would make it seen like if wright got more PT yall was a LOCK to be in the playoffs. that=hyping the hell out of someone. and one laker fan picked bynum over howard, for a GSW fan who hates when people group yall into one yall sure do it alot for laker fans
My thought EXACTLY...
Dont act like I'm here tryna start something and speak outta my *+%. But you gotta recognize that some of yall Warriors "fans" say that Wrightshould be one of your cornerstones for the franchise. Saying that ya'll wouldnt give up Wright for a better veteran player. Read back all the pages andtell me I'm wrong.
To me, he is NOTHING SPECIAL. Your regular tall, lanky, athletic, soft player who can't bang inside, doesn't have a shot and only opportunity to getpoints is to dunk
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And NO, I am not a Warriors hater. I just hate how some of yall GSW fans are going hardcore with your team, when you never cared about the team until 2 yearsago, when Baron and Nellie got on the team.
Hell, I'm a BIG fan of Monta Ellis and think he's a LEGIT future superstar
Hell, I'm a BIG fan of Monta Ellis and think he's a LEGIT future superstar
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Originally Posted by MoneyStackz
Originally Posted by Bigmike23
If u read anything yall type it would make it seen like if wright got more PT yall was a LOCK to be in the playoffs. that=hyping the hell out of someone. and one laker fan picked bynum over howard, for a GSW fan who hates when people group yall into one yall sure do it alot for laker fans
My thought EXACTLY...
Dont act like I'm here tryna start something and speak outta my *+%. But you gotta recognize that some of yall Warriors "fans" say that Wright should be one of your cornerstones for the franchise. Saying that ya'll wouldnt give up Wright for a better veteran player. Read back all the pages and tell me I'm wrong.
To me, he is NOTHING SPECIAL. Your regular tall, lanky, athletic, soft player who can't bang inside, doesn't have a shot and only opportunity to get points is to dunk
He is a lotto pick. You have to give him some time to prove himself to either be good or suck....if it's your opinion that he sucks and won't be agood player, that's your opinion and that's fine. but the warriors traded away a franchise player for him (and cap space) so they'll have to try todevelop him and see what he turns into. like JA said, if he's good, great. if he sucks, then he's a bust.
if you say he sucks after one season that really isn't fair to him at all.
And NO, I am not a Warriors hater. I just hate how some of yall GSW fans are going hardcore with your team, when you never cared about the team until 2 years ago, when Baron and Nellie got on the team.
not this again. seriously, stop it. that's whyit's not worth it for us warrior fans to talk about our team outside of the offseason thread. you guys are ridiculous sometimes. we've had a veryloyal/hardcore fanbase WAY before Baron/Nellie came. Don't group the hardcore REAL Warrior fans with the bandwagoners that hopped on during the playoffrun.if uve been on here long enough you'd know the warriors have always had a very loyal following on NT.
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Originally Posted by acidicality
Originally Posted by MoneyStackz
Originally Posted by Bigmike23
If u read anything yall type it would make it seen like if wright got more PT yall was a LOCK to be in the playoffs. that=hyping the hell out of someone. and one laker fan picked bynum over howard, for a GSW fan who hates when people group yall into one yall sure do it alot for laker fans
My thought EXACTLY...
Dont act like I'm here tryna start something and speak outta my *+%. But you gotta recognize that some of yall Warriors "fans" say that Wright should be one of your cornerstones for the franchise. Saying that ya'll wouldnt give up Wright for a better veteran player. Read back all the pages and tell me I'm wrong.
To me, he is NOTHING SPECIAL. Your regular tall, lanky, athletic, soft player who can't bang inside, doesn't have a shot and only opportunity to get points is to dunk
He is a lotto pick. You have to give him some time to prove himself to either be good or suck....if it's your opinion that he sucks and won't be a good players, that's your opinion and that's fine. but the warriors traded away a franchise player for him (and cap space) so they'll have to try to develop him and see what he turns into. like JA said, if he's good, great. if he sucks, then he's a bust.
if you say he sucks after one season that really isn't fair to him at all.
But seriously, you have to admit that 55% of your fellow GSW fans never really cared or showed up until 2 years ago..
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