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nah, nevermind.
Sources: Kidd Wants Out Of New Jersey
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Lakers fans, please with the "Do it Mitch"
its pretty lame 90% of the time its not even a laker fan that is saying it
It used to be, but the fake one have more than taken over.
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Ric bucher was just on ESPNNEWS and he stated via his conversation with Kidd that Kidd isn't really demanding a trade but making the point that this teamis bad and will not get better and the only way to get anything from him is to trade him. It would make the Nets better and him happy again being somewhereelse.
Yes, he is the only contract that could possibly be moved but, Rod needs to look at other scenarios that can work. They are working with Kidd's agent towork a deal that he play out the year for them with hope of still making the playoffs and then when the draft comes along, they will trade him.
I still think Dallas will get him this year.
Yes, he is the only contract that could possibly be moved but, Rod needs to look at other scenarios that can work. They are working with Kidd's agent towork a deal that he play out the year for them with hope of still making the playoffs and then when the draft comes along, they will trade him.
I still think Dallas will get him this year.
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Nets now soliciting best offer for Kidd
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
January 28, 2008
Adrian Wojnarowski
Yahoo! Sports
To get Jason Kidd out of his life, Rod Thorn would've traded him yesterday. The relationship between the team president and superstar has deteriorated intobitter acrimony. Once, they were golfing buddies and confidants and now, sources say, they can barely stand to sit on opposite ends of the team bus.
"It's really bad," said a league source close to Thorn and Kidd.
Kidd wants out, he says. This has been the story for a year. His agent, Jeff Schwartz, has asked Thorn again.
Truth be told, Thorn had to understand that he and Kidd passed a point of no return on the December night his superstar sent a text message in the earlyafternoon to say a migraine would keep him out of a game with the New York Knicks. Publicly, Thorn defended Kidd, but privately he seethed.
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He knew the truth: Kidd bailed on the New Jersey Nets.
Thorn should've started soliciting offers that night, but that's happening now. Kidd is on the way out, another acrimonious parting as had been thecase with him in Dallas and Phoenix.
"Ownership was stopping this from happening, but even they've thrown their hands up and said, "OK, find a deal,' " a league source closeto Nets management said.
Now, the Nets are on a nine-game spiral, the franchise is unraveling and Kidd is getting louder about wanting out. The possibility? The Nets were tellingpeople it was just 25 percent Monday, but the team is a dysfunctional mess. With the Feb. 21 trade deadline nearing, the Nets and Dallas Mavericks haveexchanged several proposals, but it always comes back to the realization that they need a third team to make this happen. Dallas owner Mark Cuban refuses topart with Josh Howard. The Nets want a package that includes a good young player, an expiring contract, draft picks and cash.
Denver is intrigued with Kidd, too, and recently tossed out Allen Iverson's name. The Nets aren't going there with AI, and Nuggets executives aretelling confidants that they're out of the bidding for now because the Nets are asking too steep a price. Cleveland has offered every possible package, butso far there's no scenario where Kidd could join LeBron James.
Back in the summer, Kidd considered it disrespectful that the Nets invested $61.8 million to keep Vince Carter without offering him his own contract extension.Kidd's max-out contract expires at the end of the 2008-09 season and friction between him and management started when his request for a one-year, $13million extension was rebuffed.
As those close to Kidd insisted, his attitude was simple: If you won't trade me, pay me. Kidd was still chasing triple-doubles most nights, but the Netsstruggled to compete around him. They stopped defending. They stopped running. Privately, Kidd blamed Carter's competiveness, but there are issues andholes throughout the roster.
Thorn has tried to trade Carter - offering him to the Knicks in a package for Jamal Crawford - but no one wants him. The infrastructure of the franchise hascome apart. The Carter contract is a killer. The future of Nenad Krstic is uncertain with a rehab from an ACL injury that has extended over a year. TheNets' bench is still spotty. The team is no longer responding to coach Lawrence Frank.
Privately, Kidd is telling friends that he wants to go to Dallas. He desperately wanted the Lakers' trade to happen at last season's deadline, butThorn wouldn't do it without prying away Andrew Bynum. This season, Kidd pushed to play with LeBron, but the Cavs don't have enough to offer. Yes,Dallas makes the most sense for Kidd. He knows they need his leadership. He knows Cuban will absorb his contract. He knows that they're the best chance hehas to get out of Jersey and get a championship before he retires.
This saga has gone on too long and it's time to end it. Rod Thorn has until the trade deadline to solicit the best offers for Kidd, and there should be noturning back now. He shouldn't do this for Kidd, but for his franchise. This isn't about getting a great deal anymore. This is about getting the bestdeal. It's over. There's no loyalty here, no love, no reason to stay together. The Nets have grown to loathe their franchise player and he desperatelywants out.
Nothing ever ends well for the New Jersey Nets, nor does it for Jason Kidd. Maybe together, they were always doomed.
Adrian Wojnarowski is the NBA columnist for Yahoo! Sports. Send Adrian a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
January 28, 2008
Adrian Wojnarowski
Yahoo! Sports
To get Jason Kidd out of his life, Rod Thorn would've traded him yesterday. The relationship between the team president and superstar has deteriorated intobitter acrimony. Once, they were golfing buddies and confidants and now, sources say, they can barely stand to sit on opposite ends of the team bus.
"It's really bad," said a league source close to Thorn and Kidd.
Kidd wants out, he says. This has been the story for a year. His agent, Jeff Schwartz, has asked Thorn again.
Truth be told, Thorn had to understand that he and Kidd passed a point of no return on the December night his superstar sent a text message in the earlyafternoon to say a migraine would keep him out of a game with the New York Knicks. Publicly, Thorn defended Kidd, but privately he seethed.
ADVERTISEMENT
He knew the truth: Kidd bailed on the New Jersey Nets.
Thorn should've started soliciting offers that night, but that's happening now. Kidd is on the way out, another acrimonious parting as had been thecase with him in Dallas and Phoenix.
"Ownership was stopping this from happening, but even they've thrown their hands up and said, "OK, find a deal,' " a league source closeto Nets management said.
Now, the Nets are on a nine-game spiral, the franchise is unraveling and Kidd is getting louder about wanting out. The possibility? The Nets were tellingpeople it was just 25 percent Monday, but the team is a dysfunctional mess. With the Feb. 21 trade deadline nearing, the Nets and Dallas Mavericks haveexchanged several proposals, but it always comes back to the realization that they need a third team to make this happen. Dallas owner Mark Cuban refuses topart with Josh Howard. The Nets want a package that includes a good young player, an expiring contract, draft picks and cash.
Denver is intrigued with Kidd, too, and recently tossed out Allen Iverson's name. The Nets aren't going there with AI, and Nuggets executives aretelling confidants that they're out of the bidding for now because the Nets are asking too steep a price. Cleveland has offered every possible package, butso far there's no scenario where Kidd could join LeBron James.
Back in the summer, Kidd considered it disrespectful that the Nets invested $61.8 million to keep Vince Carter without offering him his own contract extension.Kidd's max-out contract expires at the end of the 2008-09 season and friction between him and management started when his request for a one-year, $13million extension was rebuffed.
As those close to Kidd insisted, his attitude was simple: If you won't trade me, pay me. Kidd was still chasing triple-doubles most nights, but the Netsstruggled to compete around him. They stopped defending. They stopped running. Privately, Kidd blamed Carter's competiveness, but there are issues andholes throughout the roster.
Thorn has tried to trade Carter - offering him to the Knicks in a package for Jamal Crawford - but no one wants him. The infrastructure of the franchise hascome apart. The Carter contract is a killer. The future of Nenad Krstic is uncertain with a rehab from an ACL injury that has extended over a year. TheNets' bench is still spotty. The team is no longer responding to coach Lawrence Frank.
Privately, Kidd is telling friends that he wants to go to Dallas. He desperately wanted the Lakers' trade to happen at last season's deadline, butThorn wouldn't do it without prying away Andrew Bynum. This season, Kidd pushed to play with LeBron, but the Cavs don't have enough to offer. Yes,Dallas makes the most sense for Kidd. He knows they need his leadership. He knows Cuban will absorb his contract. He knows that they're the best chance hehas to get out of Jersey and get a championship before he retires.
This saga has gone on too long and it's time to end it. Rod Thorn has until the trade deadline to solicit the best offers for Kidd, and there should be noturning back now. He shouldn't do this for Kidd, but for his franchise. This isn't about getting a great deal anymore. This is about getting the bestdeal. It's over. There's no loyalty here, no love, no reason to stay together. The Nets have grown to loathe their franchise player and he desperatelywants out.
Nothing ever ends well for the New Jersey Nets, nor does it for Jason Kidd. Maybe together, they were always doomed.
Adrian Wojnarowski is the NBA columnist for Yahoo! Sports. Send Adrian a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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Please please please don't go after Kidd Dallas if it means losing Josh, Devin, or Dirk.
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^I understand Josh and Dirk...but wouldn't Kidd be a significant upgrade over Devin Harris? I KNOW Devin Harris has potential and is still very young, butit's possible by adding Kidd the Mavs will have a better shot in a short time frame to win a chip. Just my opinion, of course. Maybe you guys really areTHAT high on Devin Harris, i dont know.
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Almost every Dallas fan I know of loves Devin Harris (with the exception of Nowitness, but even he's coming around). The only problem I have with Kidd ishis age, Devin is the future for the Mavericks, Kidd could be the answer for right now, but I don't want to end up like the Heat.
And also, if the Mavericks give up Harris, I hope to God they don't give up JET or Stackhouse either, because I want Jason Kidd to shoot about 4 shots pergame if he is on the Mavericks, he's one of the worst shooters in the L.
And also, if the Mavericks give up Harris, I hope to God they don't give up JET or Stackhouse either, because I want Jason Kidd to shoot about 4 shots pergame if he is on the Mavericks, he's one of the worst shooters in the L.
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Well, if the Mavs are gona win a title, they ought to go after it now, imo
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I didn't even think it was that deep between Kidd and Thorn with the bitterness and the anger between the two.
Adrian Wojnarowski wrote a pretty good article.
Adrian Wojnarowski wrote a pretty good article.
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Some rumors around this way is Portland scooping him up for Raef Lafrenz's expiring contract, and possibly Jarrett Jack and Rodriguez. I don't thinkPortland should mess around at all with the chemistry the team has right now, personally...
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He'll be a Maverick by way of a 3 team deal... Dallas isn't giving up Dirk or Josh, and Devin's contract is damn near impossible to move because ofthe Poison Pill stuff... I'd assume Jet and Stackhouse are in play, but why would New Jersey want either? Nothing is getting done with the Mavs without athird team. Marc Stein was on the radio here in Dallas saying the Mavs and Nets are having on-going discussions, with the main hang up on trying to find amatch with a third team...
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Oh boy will I be happy if the Mavericks get Kidd without losing the big three, but we'd be real weak at the two-guard spot then, losing both JET and Stack?
That's upsetting.
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is it even possibLe for kidd to be a Laker?...i dont think so
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will he finally go to the lakers???
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Ahh, I see. I'm sure there's a team out there that could use either Terry or Stack, but then what would we have to offer the Nets? I don't thinkthe third team would just take Stack/Jet and give the Nets what they need to get the deal done, unless they want KVH's contract along with some prospects(Ager, Fazekas), or Bass, Hassell, George.
I have a feeling it will take a lot for the Mavericks to get him, I don't see it happening, especially having such a good PG coming off the bench in Devin.
I have a feeling it will take a lot for the Mavericks to get him, I don't see it happening, especially having such a good PG coming off the bench in Devin.
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he aint goin nowhere
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I'm watching coast to coast on ESPN 2 and they were talking about a Dallas-Nets-Blazers trade where the Nets would only get Stack. Thats a horrible trade,might as well keep Kidd.
Watching them break down the situation was a real wake up call. This team could be contending for a #1 pick next year at this rate. I think we have to get 1stround picks and expiring contracts right now and just rebuild as much as possible. Carter was a terrible signing and I said it from the start. Hes going tohurt us terribly for the rest of that contract. I hope they trade Kidd asap, hopefully for Harris or if not let Marcus Williams take over pg and mature.
Thorn is in love with Frank but he has a lot to do with this downward spiral. The team is straight up not responding to him like Billick and the Ravens in theNFL. Although he just got extended he has to go IMO.
Watching them break down the situation was a real wake up call. This team could be contending for a #1 pick next year at this rate. I think we have to get 1stround picks and expiring contracts right now and just rebuild as much as possible. Carter was a terrible signing and I said it from the start. Hes going tohurt us terribly for the rest of that contract. I hope they trade Kidd asap, hopefully for Harris or if not let Marcus Williams take over pg and mature.
Thorn is in love with Frank but he has a lot to do with this downward spiral. The team is straight up not responding to him like Billick and the Ravens in theNFL. Although he just got extended he has to go IMO.
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devis harris is nothing compared to jason kidd even when kidd is 45 w/ 10 kids
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Devin Harris is nothing compared to Kidd when Harris isn't even in his prime? I'm not saying Harris will be better but you can't say what thefuture holds, then again, you're the genius who said..
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That would be a scary team, though.
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Pleeeasse Dallas dont do it....we dont need him
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So I guess you would know.
Greggzy, what else did that trade entail? I mean of course I'd do it, but that seems very lopsided.
Chris Broussard said it was Nets getting Stack, Dallas getting Kidd and Portland getting Harris. I'm certain thats all he said so I guess heforgot who Portland would give up. It was weird he said the trade was on the table and its off because Harris is currently injured but I'm sure he forgot alot of pieces.