Stay/Get Back In Shape.... Vol 2.0

I'm down to 9% bf. I have a solid diet, not perfect, but I was wondering what's the fastest way to get down to 7%?


More cardio, or just tighten the diet up?
 
Originally Posted by ShadyKay NT

Originally Posted by BK201

Originally Posted by iLike Turtles

I would do HIIT...mainly sprints.  If you have a football field near where you live, just sprint the enitre 100yds 10 times. 

So it would go...sprint 100 (90-95%  effort)...walk back the 100 yds...

Rinse and repeat for 10 sets...boom! Proteinz everywhere.

If you really want to beast though, use a parachute during the sprints (like I do it 
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HIIT, I feel is the best for burning fat while keeping muscle.

thanks for this suggestion. i was only doing sprints of 15seconds (basically 100m) full speed seven times as a beginner stage ...might as well run the whole field now
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Originally Posted by Yung Lo HEAD

I will give that fasting a go tomorrow. usually wake up 8 so from 8am-3-4 pm i won't eat or should i go longer than that then a big meal?

Aim for 16hours fasting. Meaning.. that starts whatever time you have your last meal of the day. If you want to eat at 3pm, stop at 11pm tonight.
Might be difficult first day. Try easing into it. Drink water with lemon juice, coffee with sweeter (small amount of cream) and tea!
 
Originally Posted by brettTHEjett

Originally Posted by Club29

Originally Posted by Yung Lo HEAD

anyone know about this Intermittent Fasting?

want to start but idk how long do I wait to eat and how much when I do


i dont believe in any sort of fasting for dietary purposes.

seems very counter-productive.
What's counter productive about it? Proven health and psychological benefits and longer life expectancy? "Diet" refers to any method of habitually consuming food... not necessarily "cutting"
I "fast" from 10pm-2pm... it works out nicely because I dont need to worry about packing 4 meals to bring to school. I don't even get hungry until 3pm (assuming I can't get home in time to eat).

If you are looking to lose weight, eat less than your maintenance. If you are looking to gain weight or stay the same, eat accordingly.

Either way... the biggest and most unintentional benefit to it is that if I'm intentionally fasting I won't end up ordering cafeteria food or snacking on transfats out of the vending machine. All day my peers are saying "damn I'm so hungry but I didn't bring any food... let's hit McDonalds (or something convenient)". You don't have that dilemma if you schedule your "feeding time" for when you are home and able to cook whole and real foods.


going into a catabolic state from not eating frequently enough

would you mind posting articles that back up your claim that fasting has dietary benefits?
 
Originally Posted by Club29

Originally Posted by Yung Lo HEAD

anyone know about this Intermittent Fasting?

want to start but idk how long do I wait to eat and how much when I do
i dont believe in any sort of fasting for dietary purposes.

seems very counter-productive.
Increased insulin sensitivity, better fat mobilization, increased awareness and focus, less hassle in the morning, and increased flexibility in diet is counterproductive? For who? The guy that wants to get big beyond belief? Sure. The mother that has 2 kids and a full time job? Not at all. IF isn't a panacea for all health and dietary problems, but simply changing meal frequency does help make health a more attainable goal for those without ideal schedules.
Check out the research that Martin Berkhan has commented on: http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Research
 
Originally Posted by brettTHEjett

Originally Posted by Yung Lo HEAD

I will give that fasting a go tomorrow. usually wake up 8 so from 8am-3-4 pm i won't eat or should i go longer than that then a big meal?

Aim for 16hours fasting. Meaning.. that starts whatever time you have your last meal of the day. If you want to eat at 3pm, stop at 11pm tonight.
Might be difficult first day. Try easing into it. Drink water with lemon juice, coffee with sweeter (small amount of cream) and tea!
alright thanks
 
Originally Posted by alhubley

Originally Posted by FullMetal

Do you guys drink protein shakes before or after your workout?


I do a scoop before and a scoop with dextrose after
Pre-workout:  15g whey protein & 30-40g of dextrose
Intra-workout:  15g of Xtend (BCAA's)

Post-workout:  40g whey protein, 40g of dextrose, 5g creatine monohydrate

I'm currently cutting btw

Alex
 
Originally Posted by nanbeezy

I'm down to 9% bf. I have a solid diet, not perfect, but I was wondering what's the fastest way to get down to 7%?


More cardio, or just tighten the diet up?
It depends on your body-type, but I barely do cardio when I'm cutting.  I focus strictly on my diet and weight training.
I would suggest calculating your maintenance calories and subtracting between 500-1000 calories.  500 below your maintenance level should help you lose 1-1.5lbs per week and reduce your body fat.  If you're losing anything more than a pound or so a week, you run the risk of losing more muscle.

Alex
 
No it's not my only source but just first one I could find on my phone at work. Laugh all you want I don't care what you do just don't give others your ignorant advice. Where's your source saying it's totally useless?
 
Originally Posted by nealraj006

Originally Posted by Club29

Originally Posted by Yung Lo HEAD

anyone know about this Intermittent Fasting?

want to start but idk how long do I wait to eat and how much when I do
i dont believe in any sort of fasting for dietary purposes.

seems very counter-productive.
Increased insulin sensitivity, better fat mobilization, increased awareness and focus, less hassle in the morning, and increased flexibility in diet is counterproductive? For who? The guy that wants to get big beyond belief? Sure. The mother that has 2 kids and a full time job? Not at all. IF isn't a panacea for all health and dietary problems, but simply changing meal frequency does help make health a more attainable goal for those without ideal schedules.
Check out the research that Martin Berkhan has commented on: http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Research
i promote the hell out of IF because ive been doing it since august and it's the only way ive been able to maintain my weight while pretty much eating whatever i want (to a certain extent). i break from the fast here and there, depending on my social situation (breakfast with family) but for the most part, my last meal is around 9 or 10 and i'll eat around 3 or 4. regardless of research or broscience, 2000 calories over the course of a day is 2000 calories over the course of a day. i tried that 6-meals-a-day routine and it is so whack. eating just to be ferociously hungry in 2 hours. with IF, my hunger comes on gradually and i usually am more conscious of what i eat so i dont pig out on junk food or fast food. leangains.com has been a big help, and theleansaloon.com sounds like an infomercial, but he isnt selling anything except just talking about how much he loves IF. it isnt for everyone, but for my schedule and motivation, it's the easiest "diet" ive ever been on. my life has been so much better now that food revolves around me and not the other way around. fat boy jitters anyone?
 
Originally Posted by alhubley

No it's not my only source but just first one I could find on my phone at work. Laugh all you want I don't care what you do just don't give others your ignorant advice. Where's your source saying it's totally useless?

NO ROMO, but ummm judging from the dudes pic...yah, I'd take his advice
 
Originally Posted by Club29

Originally Posted by brettTHEjett

Originally Posted by Club29



i dont believe in any sort of fasting for dietary purposes.

seems very counter-productive.
What's counter productive about it? Proven health and psychological benefits and longer life expectancy? "Diet" refers to any method of habitually consuming food... not necessarily "cutting"
I "fast" from 10pm-2pm... it works out nicely because I dont need to worry about packing 4 meals to bring to school. I don't even get hungry until 3pm (assuming I can't get home in time to eat).

If you are looking to lose weight, eat less than your maintenance. If you are looking to gain weight or stay the same, eat accordingly.

Either way... the biggest and most unintentional benefit to it is that if I'm intentionally fasting I won't end up ordering cafeteria food or snacking on transfats out of the vending machine. All day my peers are saying "damn I'm so hungry but I didn't bring any food... let's hit McDonalds (or something convenient)". You don't have that dilemma if you schedule your "feeding time" for when you are home and able to cook whole and real foods.


going into a catabolic state from not eating frequently enough

would you mind posting articles that back up your claim that fasting has dietary benefits?
Generally speaking talk of "catabolic state" is usually just regurgitated broscience. Its the same junk as saying you need a protein shake immediately after lifting or you'll break down muscle or that you need fast absorbing carbs to funnel the protein into the muscles or that eating fruit while cutting will lead to fat gain, etc etc etc. Food consumption and body composition is merely a numbers game and food timing is not as important as people make it out to be. Yes, your body can definitely use certain nutrients at certain times of the day but a lot of the info being perpetuated by the fitness community is scientifically unsubstantiated. What difference does it make if you eat X amount of calories over 6 meals throughout the day vs. eating the same amount of calories over 1-3 meals?

IF has its benefits and its simply a lifestyle choice. One can not say for certain that IF is better than eating regularly throughout the day but at the same time you can not say that IF is bad for muscle growth or retention because this is scientifically incorrect. Personally speaking, I do IF when I can because it suits me and I find it to be convenient. Others prefer to eat regularly every 2-4 hours and they probably do it due to preference as well. I think we can all agree that the most important thing when it comes to food consumption is eating as healthy as possible over the long run. If you can accomplish this goal by dividing your meals over the course of the day then that is good. If you can accomplish this goal through IF then you are also on the right track. The reason that many people fail to eat healthy foods regularly is because there is the stigma that healthy eating is inflexible, inconvenient and and rigid and diets like IF allow for a ton of flexibility which is why many people have and continue to accomplish their fitness goals while on the IF plan.

I'm not trying to push IF on you or anyone but to say that its counter-productive and causes muscle loss is simply untrue. Like someone above said, whether you eat 2000 calories over 5 meals or over 2 meals does not matter because 2000 calories is 2000 calories.
 
Originally Posted by alhubley

No it's not my only source but just first one I could find on my phone at work. Laugh all you want I don't care what you do just don't give others your ignorant advice. Where's your source saying it's totally useless?
Ignorant advice? 
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The link you posted advises to take a protein supplement immediately after waking up, in between meals, before exercise, after exercise and before bed.  Thats absurd.  It's also a known fact in the nutrition community that the "catabolic state" that scares bodybuilders isn't what they think it is.  Your muscles are not broken down from a few hours of sleep.  The last thing to be broken down are muscles.  The blood proteins are the proteins that are being broken down during rest, not the actin and myosin.

If you think taking a protein shake before a workout will increase protein synthesis then go right ahead, but it's more mental than it is physical.  Youd be just as well off if you ate any kind of food which contains protein in any amount.

From what you posted earlier, I assume you dont add any type of carbohydrate pre-workout?
 
I just had my first real-deal leg workout today for the first time in months. My legs feel like jello, but that's fine with me. Now I just have to continue to do legs weekly.
 
Originally Posted by SuperSaiyan415

Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH

Originally Posted by Yankeephan87

Thanks man! Do you think i should make my carb up days on the weekend or make it the day I do legs or chest or something like that?
weekends for sure man. i know what youre thinking, lift on the days you carb up. 
 i've seen a lot of people recommend 1 of those days to be an off-day in order to ensure you are properly carbed up. id take friday off. saturday lift.  

i didnt really notice a lot more energy when i was carbed up anyway, just more vascularity. i lost weight during carb ups just like i did during the rest of the week i think. 
is it fine to lift on a refeed/carb up regardless?
um well i always took friday off and lifted saturday. i was under the impression that the first carb up day you should ideally rest and allow for all the carbs to be stored not used up but i dont think it should really make a difference. just make sure to get enough carbs. get some sugars in you at the very beginning of the carb up.
as for protein before workouts.......ive heard thats even better than after workouts, although its not like you cant do both. i do a scoop of isolate w/water like 45 min before a workout if i havent had a meal in a while and i always get like 50g protein afterwards as well. 

btw clen i considered that for my cut earlier but ive heard its not as good as youd expect and that ec gave better results with less sides. left ventricle hypertophy etc. doesnt sound good to me
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. maybe im overreacting though.   plain old testosterone probably has a lot less sides and people freak out about that because its a steroid.
 
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