STAY/GET BACK IN SHAPE VOL 3.0 -- A New Niketalk = A New Thread

Nealraj an idiot? Y'all must be new here. If there's two dudes in here that are consistent it's him and Durden. Nothing wrong with disagreeing, but dudes know their stuff. Dudes are thread vets, Couple rooks in here on the other hand that I pay no mind when reading the thread.
 
Nealraj an idiot? Y'all must be new here. If there's two dudes in here that are consistent it's him and Durden. Nothing wrong with disagreeing, but dudes know their stuff. Dudes are thread vets, Couple rooks in here on the other hand that I pay no mind when reading the thread.

Definitely, I agree with this
 
After a solid 30min HIIT workout, I decided to try one of those Amino samples sitting in a drawer. Grabbed the AminoLast lemon flavor, tastes awesome - close to OG Gatorade, but i'd stick to my wal mart and MiiO flavor squirters if I want to change up my water
 
I thought I was gonna be able to tough it out, but these past two weeks I've been to the gym 4 out of targeted 10 times, ******g allergy season :{ .

I should be good to go back by tomorrow full strength. What a terrible feeling though it's been these past two weeks, muscles feeling all weak.
 
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The options are ENDLESS, when I first stumbled upon the site about a year ago, I felt I was lookin' at a candy store for breaux's :eek :eek
 
The pricing is on part with what I'd spend at bb for a name brand protein, I'm sure the shipping prices is where they kill you.
 
Lol WHAT? Obviously you've NEVER been in the ring. The reason endurance is important is because of the fatigue that sets in from taking blows to the head and the body. Not to mention the crazy amounts of energy used to throw punches, footwork, slips, bob n weaves etc. The goal of a boxing fight is NOT a knockout but to WIN. Wtf? Why speak on something you obviously have no idea about? The reason boxers aren't big lfiters is because of the oxygen required by those bigger muscles especially at lower weight classes. The higher you go up in weight the heavier hands get which opens up for weight lifting because fights end faster so they can sacrficie a lil endurance.




ps I boxed for 6 years(as well as muay thai). (3rd STREET BOXING SAN FRANCISCO/JKINGS BOXING in Oakland trained under James Lamont Buggs, Paris Alexander, etc./SF Fairtex for muay thai)

Why are you arguing about a semantic in my post? Whether you want to classify boxing as an endurance sport or not makes no difference to me. My classification is based on the goal of the sport: knockout/win. The goal is not to go as long as possible or for a specified (long) distance.

If your goal is to win, you're not going to do it by just lasting 15 rounds. I never said endurance was not useful in boxing, I said that the methods that are traditionally used to train for endurance by boxers are not optimal.

Again, boxers don't need to be as strong as powerlifters. This doesn't mean that being bigger (or stronger) will hurt performance. With hypertrophy comes the increased capacity to transport Oxygen to tissues via increased capillary numbers to muscle fibers. With increased strength comes the capacity for higher power outputs and stronger punches. Excess body fat, on the other hand is definitely detrimental to performance.

I never claimed to be a boxing coach or professional boxer. This is the perspective of someone focused on physical preparation for sport and movement.

To those of you questioning my intelligence, I question how many of you have ever read a scientific journal article or textbook on anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, etc. I'm definitely not a troll, I've been posting in these threads for a number of years. The goal of my posts is to invoke thought and encourage you to think outside the box. There is a lot of information out there, use a scientific approach, and don't be dogmatic.
 
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Yikes, I forget sarcasm isn't translated over the internet very well. Just because you can spew knowledge over the web doesn't mean **** 
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I respectfully disagree with boxing not being an endurance sport though.
 
He's very knowledgeable and far from a "troll," but to say boxing isn't an endurance sport? In a way I can see his side as it is more or less about skill, but anyone who has actually boxed knows that endurance is pivotal. I'm sure he wasn't dismissing that.

I can see that a lot of you are missing the point: yes, endurance is useful in boxing (like in all other sports), but it is not primarily an endurance sport. Your goal is not to go 15 rounds in boxing, unlike a marathon. You wouldn't even last 15 rounds if you don't know HOW to box. If you lack strength and skill compared to your opponent, then you will require more endurance. But endurance is not the most important trait and boxing is NOT an endurance sport, this is based on the goals of a boxing match (knock out).

When training, boxers would benefit most from focusing on strength and joint prep. The boxing training itself will take care of specific endurance. If you want to insert supplemental conditioning, use varied, complex movement forms. Running for 45 minutes is not particularly helpful to boxers, it doesn't mimic the conditions in the ring enough. Supplemental conditioning can help, but at the end of the day, in sports, the only activity that is specific is the activity you are training for (boxing in this case).

There is always a component of endurance, even in something like a 100m sprint, but different activities require different kinds of endurance. This doesn't mean that every athlete should be running 5k's or marathons to improve 'endurance'.
I get what you're saying. I don't 100% agree, but you raise valid points as usual. One doesn't have to completely sacrifice strength in order to build the stamina necessary to achieve optimal performance.

I've always found jump rope to be the best way to condition, just personal preference. So many variations and methods you can use to mimic the pace and flow of most sports. It will always be a staple for me.

I appreciate the opportunity to hear another person's perspective, especially those who bring real science to the table to back up their claims. To flat out dismiss everything a person says just because you may not agree 100% is being very close minded.
 
Scientific approach? Bro the reason I enjoy this lifestyle is because it's FUN. I don't need to read some scientific article to tell me why I'm doing this and what I should be doing. At the end of the day I try to keep this **** as simple as possible...... eat right, lift, get a good nights sleep then repeat. SIMPLE AS THAT.

I respect your opinions but I think the main reason why people don't achieve their goals is because they make it harder on themselves by over thinking when in reality is quiet simple.
 
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Scientific approach? Bro the reason I enjoy this lifestyle is because it's FUN. I don't need to read some scientific article to tell me why I'm doing this and what I should be doing. At the end of the day I try to keep this **** as simple as possible...... eat right, lift, get a good nights sleep then repeat. SIMPLE AS THAT.

I respect your opinions but I think the main reason why people don't achieve their goals is because they make it harder on themselves by over thinking when in reality is quiet simple.

Meh, this is coming from someone who has a BS in exercise science, the fundamentals of what we know about bodybuilding and being in shape come from the scientific approach. Without any type of scientific reviews and experiments, you wouldn't know what to keep simple, the importance of rest, macros, hypertrophy, compound lifts, etc.

The scientific approach to this lifestyle is what keeps it simple but it can always be up to interpretation due to the fact that everyone responds differently to different types of training/diets.
 
Woke up early and got a good lift in before 9am because I knew I would be eating reckless today.

Jerk chicken off the grill, sweet potatoes, a little bit of yellow rice and red beans. One piece of brownie.
 
Meh, this is coming from someone who has a BS in exercise science, the fundamentals of what we know about bodybuilding and being in shape come from the scientific approach. Without any type of scientific reviews and experiments, you wouldn't know what to keep simple, the importance of rest, macros, hypertrophy, compound lifts, etc.

The scientific approach to this lifestyle is what keeps it simple but it can always be up to interpretation due to the fact that everyone responds differently to different types of training/diets.
Yeah but I could argue that plenty of bodybuilders back in the day didn't use any of the same methods as today and still got yoked as hell. I bet some of those dudes back then would laugh at the thought, does this fit my macros? 

You are right that everyone responds differently, thats common knowledge. 
 
Just bought some 20 dollar H&M jeans in sz 34, which means they are really like a 32. My goal is to be able to fit them by september.

Tonight im gonna have curry goat, rice, broccli and a slice of carrot cake (had 2 pbj sammiches earlier that were 205 calories a pop).

I`m gonna go harder with my diet on this last stretch. I needed this week off lol I think it threw off my hormones with the heavy diet and recent stress.
 
238 from 320
Had a baby cheat day last night and tonight going to Golden Corral. Idc idc idc brb all you can eat wings brb soft chocolate chip cookies

Can't wait for your next post talking about water retention again :lol

Taking a week off from cutting (well currently taking a week off) been cutting 9 months and after bombing gmat been feeling low, I've still cut a few days this week but there's been days I've said what ever and this past weekend I went in. Gonna use Saturday to sleep in and get my mind right and finish out the last stretch of my cut. I expect to go from 235 to maybe 240 something because of the extra water I gain, I'm still lifting and doing cardio (I'm skipping today long day at work) so the fat gain shouldn't be insane.

238 from 320
Had a baby cheat day last night and tonight going to Golden Corral. Idc idc idc brb all you can eat wings brb soft chocolate chip cookies
Slippery Slope. End it with the wings tonight.

Called it. :lol


Water retention post.
Cheat day turns into cheat week.



but really though, refeeds are a good thing when you're cutting. Not a whole cheat week though. more info in spoiler.

Re-Feeding

One should also incorporate re-feeds into their diet plan. Re-feeds help boost a hormone called leptin, which is the mother of all fat burning hormones. As one diets, leptin levels drop in an attempt by the body to spare body fat. Periodic, proper re-feeding can raise leptin levels and help one continue to burn fat an optimum rate. A person who is lean will need to re-feed more frequently than someone who has a higher body fat percentage. For those who are below 10%, it is probably a wise idea to incorporate re-feeds two times per week.
For those people who are in the 10-15% range, re-feeding every 6-12 days will probably be adequate, for those who are above 15%, re-feeding will probably not need to be done more than once every week to two weeks. Obviously as one loses body fat they will need to re-feed more often.

Re-Feed Days Should Be Planned As Follows:

  • Re-feed on the day you work your worst body part(s) as re-feeding will not only raise leptin, but be quite anabolic.
  • Keep fat as low as possible during re-feed days as high insulin levels will increase dietary fat transport into adipose tissue. In addition dietary fat has little to no impact on leptin levels.
  • Reduce protein intake to 1 g/lb bodyweight.
  • Consume as little fructose as possible as fructose does not have an impact on leptin levels.
  • Increase calories to maintenance level (or above if you are an ectomorph) and increase carbs by at least 50-100% (endo’s stay on the low end, while ecto’s should stay on the high end) over normal diet levels.

http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html
 
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Yeah but I could argue that plenty of bodybuilders back in the day didn't use any of the same methods as today and still got yoked as hell. I bet some of those dudes back then would laugh at the thought, does this fit my macros? 

You are right that everyone responds differently, thats common knowledge. 

I guess we see it differently. Maybe steroid use, maybe not, but in the present, the bodybuilders are bigger/more shredded now due to science.

We'll just agree to disagree but there's no refuting that science has got us to what we know now about the human body and how to efficiently grow/mold our bodies with what we eat, supplements, and diets.
 
I get what you're saying. I don't 100% agree, but you raise valid points as usual. One doesn't have to completely sacrifice strength in order to build the stamina necessary to achieve optimal performance.

I've always found jump rope to be the best way to condition, just personal preference. So many variations and methods you can use to mimic the pace and flow of most sports. It will always be a staple for me.

I appreciate the opportunity to hear another person's perspective, especially those who bring real science to the table to back up their claims. To flat out dismiss everything a person says just because you may not agree 100% is being very close minded.

I appreciate people like you who are open minded and willing to listen to new ideas, even if you don't agree with them. I'm just presenting information, and anyone is able to make their own decisions about it. I wouldn't even like it if everyone agreed with me about everything.

I do think that jump rope is a much better alternative to running for conditioning for boxing. The foot work is very helpful, and if I had to pick one or the other, I'd definitely choose jump rope over running. But I still believe that a more complex approach along with jump rope would be optimal. For example, mixing jump rope with locomotion patterns(lizard crawls, farmers walks, bear crawls, etc.) would be a potent combination.


Scientific approach? Bro the reason I enjoy this lifestyle is because it's FUN. I don't need to read some scientific article to tell me why I'm doing this and what I should be doing. At the end of the day I try to keep this **** as simple as possible...... eat right, lift, get a good nights sleep then repeat. SIMPLE AS THAT.

I respect your opinions but I think the main reason why people don't achieve their goals is because they make it harder on themselves by over thinking when in reality is quiet simple.

Yes, simplicity is important. Not everyone should be involved in scientific literature, but everyone gets information from somewhere. Be smart about who you get your information from. I suggest that people learn from sources that rely on science and evidence for their approach.

Eventually, results will slow down (or stop) with any protocol. If you're getting advice from a roided up bodybuilder at your local gym vs from a well educated and results-driven coach, the results will show.

Oh, and about the older bodybuilders: things were significantly different back then. Less stress, more nutritious food, and better training. People used to train in multiple disciplines like olympic weightlifting, gymnastics, powerlifting, and bodybuilding together and this provided better results for them all. They didn't have to worry about cell phones, computers, chemical stress, etc. The food was significantly more nutrient-dense than it is today. Fertilizers are lacking essential nutrients, meats lack various nutrients and contain antibiotics/pesticides/etc., heavy metals in the food, etc. It's not so simple as what you say, but at the end of the day most people would benefit from doing things they learned. A lot of people like to "collect" knowledge, but rarely act on it, and they tend to be affected by "paralysis by analysis".
 
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