The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

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S4L3 said:
No cap smoothing.

Cap going up to 88-92 million in 2016-17 season.
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The cap right now is 63 mil, so that's basically a 30 mil increase in 2 years. Incredible.

10+ year vets, like Bron, can get a max which is 35% of that. 30-32 mil annually :x
 
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shoeking2101 said:
Its obviously more intricate than this, but all the nba has to do is start compensating the d league players with real livable wages and prospects would start flocking there instead of college.

This in turn would create fanfare for the league, more revenue, etc.
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Basically. NBA has a ton of new revenue coming in and paying these guys more than 10K wouldn't be hurting anyone's pockets. As soon as guys have the option of playing in America for 100K instead of choosing between college (free or under major NCAA risk to hurt your eligibility/stock) or Europe/China (crazy tough transition, hard to look good, only the top, top prospects would get paid) - they'll start choosing the DLeague in a heartbeat. But right now - the pay is awful, the coaching is awful, the players are awful. No reason to go as a draft prospect unless you want to get paid very little and hurt your stock.
 
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The cap right now is 63 mil, so that's basically a 30 mil increase in 2 years. Incredible.

10+ year vets, like Bron, can get a max which is 35% of that. 30-32 mil annually :x
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Bronnie Billions. :pimp:
 
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Freeze said:
VVVVVVVVVV these guys. Bruh we're gonna have so much guap on deck. I just hope jimmy doesnt spend it all on strippers and blow.
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His dad managed to party his *** off and keep the team good. Maybe Jim can do it too.
 
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Freeze said:
VVVVVVVVVV these guys. Bruh we're gonna have so much guap on deck. I just hope jimmy doesnt spend it all on strippers and blow.
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His dad managed to party his *** off and keep the team good. Maybe Jim can do it too.
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Jerry was a business genius though. Jimmy forced his dad to make him team president. pulled the 'why dont you love me' card.
 
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Basically. NBA has a ton of new revenue coming in and paying these guys more than 10K wouldn't be hurting anyone's pockets. As soon as guys have the option of playing in America for 100K instead of choosing between college (free or under major NCAA risk to hurt your eligibility/stock) or Europe/China (crazy tough transition, hard to look good, only the top, top prospects would get paid) - they'll start choosing the DLeague in a heartbeat. But right now - the pay is awful, the coaching is awful, the players are awful. No reason to go as a draft prospect unless you want to get paid very little and hurt your stock.
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Keep saying the reason they won't compensate D League players is because it would hurt the NCAA.
 
or they dont compensate d league players because the d league makes no money?

aint no one paying money to go to a d-fenders game or buying a dleague jersey 
 
C'mon, Doc; Jordan's not DPOY

By Tom Haberstroh
ESPN Insider

Of all the annual awards, the defensive player of the year race appears to be the most difficult to peg.

Joakim Noah, the reigning recipient of the top defender award, has been hobbled all season and the Chicago Bulls have disappointed on that end. A pair of Warriors might split votes in defensive studs Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut. It's hard to reconcile Anthony Davis' block totals with New Orleans' bottom-five defensive ranking. Rudy Gobert might be the league's best rim protector, but has only recently started for his own team. Serge Ibaka is a perennial candidate. Tim Duncan is Tim Duncan.
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It's an extremely tough ballot this season. But if you ask Los Angeles Clippers head coach Doc Rivers, the choice is an easy one: DeAndre Jordan.

"He's clearly the defensive player of the year," Rivers said on Sunday. "If anybody else gets that award, we need to have an investigation. ... What he's doing defensively, if he was doing that offensively, he would be recognized as the MVP or one of them, but because it's defense, no one notices."

Maybe "no one notices" because there's just not much that stands out. Rivers has been known to get out the pom-poms for his players. In fact, Rivers already had launched the Jordan DPOY campaign in June, saying, "100 percent, I think that's what he will be" when all is said and done in 2014-15. A few days ago, Rivers claimed that "D.J. is the best defensive player in the league. I just really believe that."

Unfortunately for Rivers, Jordan's DPOY case isn't much of a case at all. This screams confirmation bias on Rivers' part more than anything. All evidence suggests Jordan is a good defensive player; not a great one, and certainly not the best. Let's run through all the reasons.

Blocks don't equal rim protection

Jordan's résumé is anchored by his shot-blocking abilities, which is a lot like saying a baseball player should win MVP because he has a high batting average. There's just so much more to defense than the couple of possessions when a defensive player gets a piece of a shot attempt. It's true that Jordan ranks fourth with 2.2 blocks per game and is currently the only player in the NBA to collect a block against every opposing team, but what about the other 65 possessions when he's on the floor?
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Looking beyond blocks, the holes in Jordan's case begin to reveal themselves. Per SportVU player-tracking data on NBA.com, opponents shoot 49.2 percent at the rim with Jordan nearby, which ranks 31st among 59 qualified big men (at least six basket attempts defended per game). The names at the top of the heap -- Gobert, Bogut and Ibaka -- have done a far better job at creating misses near the rim than Jordan.

Jordan can jump out of the gym and run the floor like a gazelle, but he struggles with today's foundational task of walling off the paint in pick-and-roll attacks. Guards find little resistance when Jordan's in their path to the rim. He uses his hands well to deflect passes -- opposing attackers turn the ball over on 24.2 percent of plays in the pick-and-roll, the highest for any big defender -- but his effective field goal percentage allowed on such plays ranks 22nd among 36 bigs, according to Synergy tracking. He defends with his hands more than with his feet, which is problematic against all the speedy guards in the league.

Jordan has done well to keep himself healthy and on the court. He hasn't missed a game this season and leads all big men in minutes played. Helping matters is that he's cut down his troublesome foul rate that plagued him earlier in his career. In his sophomore season he averaged 6.9 fouls per 100 possessions, but he's knocked that down to just 4.4 this season, which ranks ninth lowest among all big men (Al Horford is freakishly good at defending without fouling).

The Clippers aren't a good defensive outfit

Here's a fundamental question: If Jordan is an elite defender and plays so many minutes, why are the Clippers merely an average defensive team? Jordan's fan club will have trouble answering that one.

The Clippers rank just 15th in defensive efficiency this season, slipping from a seventh-place ranking last season. That the Clippers have fallen off defensively this season certainly doesn't bode well for Jordan's standing in the defensive player of the year race after he finished third in the voting in 2013-14.

Further hurting Jordan's cause is that the team's defense has sharpened when he goes to the bench. With Jordan on the floor, the Clippers give up 103.6 points per 100 possessions. When he hits the pine, it improves to 101.7 points per 100 possessions, according to NBA.com. That's not good news, especially considering that his backup is Spencer Hawes. While the Clippers' defense gets stingier when Jordan leaves the floor, just about every DPOY candidate has seen the opposite effect on their team's bottom line.

Rebounding isn't everything

Jordan does have the upper hand in the rebounding column. Since Blake Griffin went out with a staph infection in early February, Jordan has pulled down a ridiculous 18.6 boards per game with 13.2 of those coming on the defensive end. Those are Wilt Chamberlain-type numbers.

In fact, Jordan's 17.2 rebounding average was the highest we've seen in any month (minimum 10 games) since Ben Wallace in 2002-03, when he racked up 18.8 rebounds per game in the month of March. Interestingly enough, Wallace went on to win the defensive player of the year award in a landslide that season, garnering 100 of the 117 first-place votes.

Here's why Jordan probably won't follow Wallace's path: Most of Jordan's glass-cleaning impact is on the offensive end, which doesn't move the needle for his defensive credentials. When Jordan's on the floor, the Clippers recover 25.5 percent of their misses, but that free-falls to an abysmal 15.4 percent when he goes to the bench, according to NBA.com. That's impact.

However, Jordan's defensive rebounding tells a much weaker story. The Clippers' defensive rebounding rate barely moves from 76.4 percent to 74.6 percent when he goes to the bench, indicating that he could be stealing defensive boards from his teammates. Case in point: Griffin averages just seven rebounds per 36 minutes playing next to Jordan this season, but that soars to 10.6 when Griffin plays without him. Chris Paul also shows a similar split (4.8 boards with Jordan vs. 5.6 without Jordan).

Ultimately, Rivers' case for Jordan as defensive player of the year is based more on rhetoric than reason. His high block totals overrate his rim protection, the Clippers aren't a good defensive team and Jordan's monster rebounding output does little to help the team's overall ability to get stops. Jordan's defensive RPM ranks 19th among all centers, which solidifies his standing as a good defensive cog, but far from a serious defensive player of the year candidate.
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Pretty much. I wish Doc would shut up about this.
 
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C'mon, Doc; Jordan's not DPOY

By Tom Haberstroh

ESPN Insider

Of all the annual awards, the defensive player of the year race appears to be the most difficult to peg.

Joakim Noah, the reigning recipient of the top defender award, has been hobbled all season and the Chicago Bulls have disappointed on that end. A pair of Warriors might split votes in defensive studs Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut. It's hard to reconcile Anthony Davis' block totals with New Orleans' bottom-five defensive ranking. Rudy Gobert might be the league's best rim protector, but has only recently started for his own team. Serge Ibaka is a perennial candidate. Tim Duncan is Tim Duncan.

It's an extremely tough ballot this season. But if you ask Los Angeles Clippers head coach Doc Rivers, the choice is an easy one: DeAndre Jordan.

"He's clearly the defensive player of the year," Rivers said on Sunday. "If anybody else gets that award, we need to have an investigation. ... What he's doing defensively, if he was doing that offensively, he would be recognized as the MVP or one of them, but because it's defense, no one notices."

Maybe "no one notices" because there's just not much that stands out. Rivers has been known to get out the pom-poms for his players. In fact, Rivers already had launched the Jordan DPOY campaign in June, saying, "100 percent, I think that's what he will be" when all is said and done in 2014-15. A few days ago, Rivers claimed that "D.J. is the best defensive player in the league. I just really believe that."

Unfortunately for Rivers, Jordan's DPOY case isn't much of a case at all. This screams confirmation bias on Rivers' part more than anything. All evidence suggests Jordan is a good defensive player; not a great one, and certainly not the best. Let's run through all the reasons.

Blocks don't equal rim protection

Jordan's résumé is anchored by his shot-blocking abilities, which is a lot like saying a baseball player should win MVP because he has a high batting average. There's just so much more to defense than the couple of possessions when a defensive player gets a piece of a shot attempt. It's true that Jordan ranks fourth with 2.2 blocks per game and is currently the only player in the NBA to collect a block against every opposing team, but what about the other 65 possessions when he's on the floor?



Looking beyond blocks, the holes in Jordan's case begin to reveal themselves. Per SportVU player-tracking data on NBA.com, opponents shoot 49.2 percent at the rim with Jordan nearby, which ranks 31st among 59 qualified big men (at least six basket attempts defended per game). The names at the top of the heap -- Gobert, Bogut and Ibaka -- have done a far better job at creating misses near the rim than Jordan.

Jordan can jump out of the gym and run the floor like a gazelle, but he struggles with today's foundational task of walling off the paint in pick-and-roll attacks. Guards find little resistance when Jordan's in their path to the rim. He uses his hands well to deflect passes -- opposing attackers turn the ball over on 24.2 percent of plays in the pick-and-roll, the highest for any big defender -- but his effective field goal percentage allowed on such plays ranks 22nd among 36 bigs, according to Synergy tracking. He defends with his hands more than with his feet, which is problematic against all the speedy guards in the league.

Jordan has done well to keep himself healthy and on the court. He hasn't missed a game this season and leads all big men in minutes played. Helping matters is that he's cut down his troublesome foul rate that plagued him earlier in his career. In his sophomore season he averaged 6.9 fouls per 100 possessions, but he's knocked that down to just 4.4 this season, which ranks ninth lowest among all big men (Al Horford is freakishly good at defending without fouling).

The Clippers aren't a good defensive outfit

Here's a fundamental question: If Jordan is an elite defender and plays so many minutes, why are the Clippers merely an average defensive team? Jordan's fan club will have trouble answering that one.

The Clippers rank just 15th in defensive efficiency this season, slipping from a seventh-place ranking last season. That the Clippers have fallen off defensively this season certainly doesn't bode well for Jordan's standing in the defensive player of the year race after he finished third in the voting in 2013-14.

Further hurting Jordan's cause is that the team's defense has sharpened when he goes to the bench. With Jordan on the floor, the Clippers give up 103.6 points per 100 possessions. When he hits the pine, it improves to 101.7 points per 100 possessions, according to NBA.com. That's not good news, especially considering that his backup is Spencer Hawes. While the Clippers' defense gets stingier when Jordan leaves the floor, just about every DPOY candidate has seen the opposite effect on their team's bottom line.

Rebounding isn't everything

Jordan does have the upper hand in the rebounding column. Since Blake Griffin went out with a staph infection in early February, Jordan has pulled down a ridiculous 18.6 boards per game with 13.2 of those coming on the defensive end. Those are Wilt Chamberlain-type numbers.

In fact, Jordan's 17.2 rebounding average was the highest we've seen in any month (minimum 10 games) since Ben Wallace in 2002-03, when he racked up 18.8 rebounds per game in the month of March. Interestingly enough, Wallace went on to win the defensive player of the year award in a landslide that season, garnering 100 of the 117 first-place votes.

Here's why Jordan probably won't follow Wallace's path: Most of Jordan's glass-cleaning impact is on the offensive end, which doesn't move the needle for his defensive credentials. When Jordan's on the floor, the Clippers recover 25.5 percent of their misses, but that free-falls to an abysmal 15.4 percent when he goes to the bench, according to NBA.com. That's impact.

However, Jordan's defensive rebounding tells a much weaker story. The Clippers' defensive rebounding rate barely moves from 76.4 percent to 74.6 percent when he goes to the bench, indicating that he could be stealing defensive boards from his teammates. Case in point: Griffin averages just seven rebounds per 36 minutes playing next to Jordan this season, but that soars to 10.6 when Griffin plays without him. Chris Paul also shows a similar split (4.8 boards with Jordan vs. 5.6 without Jordan).

Ultimately, Rivers' case for Jordan as defensive player of the year is based more on rhetoric than reason. His high block totals overrate his rim protection, the Clippers aren't a good defensive team and Jordan's monster rebounding output does little to help the team's overall ability to get stops. Jordan's defensive RPM ranks 19th among all centers, which solidifies his standing as a good defensive cog, but far from a serious defensive player of the year candidate.
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Pretty much. I wish Doc would shut up about this everything.
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VICTOR PAGE said:
Since when have ****** not been getting clowned about their hairline?

If you're outside of the black community...you wouldn't understand.
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THIS!!!

You all know i am the biggest Lebron fan out here, and I even think its hilarious that people get mad at people talking bad about another persons hairline. Like come on its funny. People make fun of people all the time. Where have you been where no one ever talks crazy about another person? And when you are a big star like Lebron whatever negative thing anyone see's on you will get clowned no matter what.

So people go away with the "When has talking about another person hair line been such a big deal?"

Get out of your feelings, probably upset that your own hairline looks worse than brons own. :rofl:
 
Yea i kinda thought that too the guys getting defensive about hair jokes prolly got the george jefferson going at 20 years old
 
JD617 said:
Pretty much. I wish Doc would shut up about this.
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I agree with the article. I've never called DJ a great defender, even with his increased production lately. The only reason he should even get any votes for DPOY is because there's not a lot of other outstanding candidates for the award this season. Much as I hate to admit it, Draymond probably should get it.
 
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