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I believe Harden is better all those guys except Kobe and McGrady.
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Rays defense is better. I'd take Hardens offensive game over Rays though all around. He'll never have the jumper Allen has but Harden can dance better and attack the basket better. IMO
I've never been a TMac fan. How people like him but have the nerve to get at Wolves Kevin Love is beyond me. Big numbers that meant nothing in the end.
I've never been a TMac fan. How people like him but have the nerve to get at Wolves Kevin Love is beyond me. Big numbers that meant nothing in the end.
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Are we counting Wade to be apart of this as well?
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Harden was just at 27, 7 and 6. And he's already the better playoff performer than VC even with his track record.
Hardens scoring and playmaking at the 2 is probably second to only tmac and Kobe. He's already had more individual success than tmac.
Give me harden. And I'm not high
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Really wouldn't be even fair lol. I'd consider wade more of a mid 2000's-2010's player. But if included....yeah.
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Like I said earlier, you know your stuff about the Wizards, and I respect your opinion there. But you're borderline slow about the rest of the NBA.
Prime Ray Allen was better all around. You must forget how nortoriously bad of a defender Harden is. And this is his first year playing at an MVP level.
Ray Allen wasn't always a spot up 3pt shooter...he could defend, facilitate and rebound. Efficient as well. Ray Allen in his prime could give you about 24ppg 5 rpg 5apg on 46/43/90 splits.That's insane.
He also tried on defense.
Harden was only a bad defender for two years he never missed the playoffs his 1st year with Houston he took a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs Harden in his prime (last year at 25 years old) could give you 27/7/6 but you think he is gonna average 21 ppg this year so there's that
.You bringing up Harden's defense but don't say anything about A.I harden is the best facilitator among those guys none of those guys aside from Kobe and AI were remotely close in winning the MVP or leading a team to the WCF those weak east teams don't count.
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Only SGs I'd take over Harden from that time period are Kobe and T-Mac.
A.I. is better but I prefer Harden more, however I'll rank them like this:
Kobe
T-Mac
A.I.
Harden
Vince
A.I. is better but I prefer Harden more, however I'll rank them like this:
Kobe
T-Mac
A.I.
Harden
Vince
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My man Wade is top 5 SG of all time and they always forget 
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The 2nd best player Tmac played with in his prime was Darrell Armstrong or a young Mike Miller. A 2003 Orlando Magic team looked like....
Armstrong
Mike Miller
Tmac
Pat Garrity
Andrew Deqlerq
Let that sink in for a minute.
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Dear god that team was putrid
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My man Wade is top 5 SG of all time and they always forget
Top 3 but somebody is gonna say Jerry West and act like they saw him play
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Yup Wade top 3 SG of all time imo
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Hey man. His career is what it is. Big numbers over a short period with no team success. I can list a bunch of NBA players who have that resume.
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Almost Every early 2000 team was really really week the NBA over expanded back then
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TMac was only better than Harden in '03 though.
And Ray is getting a bit overrated. Vastly inferior facilitator in comparison to Harden & did not try on defense until he went to Boston.
And Ray is getting a bit overrated. Vastly inferior facilitator in comparison to Harden & did not try on defense until he went to Boston.
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I can't accept this Pat Garrity slander.
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Harden was only a bad defender for two years he never missed the playoffs his 1st year with Houston he took a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs Harden in his prime (last year at 25 years old) could give you 27/7/6 but you think he is gonna average 21 ppg this year so there's that
Ray Allen lost to AI in the 2001 WCF in game 7. He also led a bad Seattle team to a top 3 seed. VC led his team to the conference finals, and put up crazy numbers. Harden has been trash in the playoffs as a 1st option. Let's be cereal.
AI wasn't a bad defender...he just roamed and stuck PG's because the PG's of the early 2000's were subpar, and AI was too small. This allows him to be a menace in the passing lanes, and get a stupid number of steals. AI's gambling didn't hurt Philly. It was part of the scheme. Almost Ed Reed like. And AI was a good facilitator too.
Tmac was just amazing. He played on an absolutely terrible team.
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Naa I knew all of that alreadySon you a couple days late.
What's this about Matt Barnes's ex wife?
Derek Fisher is currently messing with Matt Barnes estranged wife, Gloria Govan. According to Barnes his son called him and told him Fisher was over to theirhouse. Feeling something was off with his son he proceeded to drive over to his house and confront Fisher and Govan. Shenanigans ensued and Fisher apparently got hemmed up by Barnes.
Barnes only response so far was that he and Derek used to be friends.
The most shocking thing for me in all this foolishness is that ole girl is damn near 50.
This,dude always gets overlooked in these lists
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The 05 Sonics had the greatest collection of contract year players ever.
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Only player harden was better than on that list is ray. Vc is debatable.
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The 05 Sonics had the greatest collection of contract year players ever.
POTAPENKOOOOOOOOO
Nothing like a frontline featuring Jerome James, Vitaly Potapenko, Danny Fortson and lotto pick Robert Swift.
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is it time for the yearly overrating of players that put up good regular season stats but fall apart in the playoffs?
at harden being better than iverson
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Feels like nobody here watched a prime Ray Allen play....he was amazing 2000-2005
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before the league pass era where people watched 1 bucks game a year
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