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are you a communist? socialist?
The Case for Reparations Vol. Race Forum
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I'm an equalist.
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equality of outcome or equality of opportunity?
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Lulz nah bruh. To them it's as simple as Lincoln issuing the emancipation proclamation then slaves leaving their cushy lives at the plantation behind only to turn around & be too lazy to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" and instead beg the government for a handout.
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Opportunity, if you don't want to take advantage of the opportunities then that's on you. The issue with the black community in America is economic road blocks and mental programming. So for example an African who comes from a poor village In Africa can come to America and while he will face the same discrimination he has not been victim to the miseducation many blacks in America face at an early AGe. Notice African immigrants come to America and outperform all immigrants economically and education wise. Now look at a chief keef who comes from a cycle of poverty and miseducation, even of you present him with a legit opportunity he has been programmed to not even want to go that route. I'm not asking for reparations for blacks, we deserve it but we aren't going to get them and shouldn't dwell on it. They can help our situation but at the end of the day we have to free ourselves mentally, because as it is evident on Niketalk and America in general nobody cares about our struggle so we need to quit trying worry about being accepted by others and work on ourselves.
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That wasn't why that was thrown out there in the first place,
Slavery ended 150 years ago, that's a fact. The system has been ****** up since then, that's a fact. However, why do people multiple generations removed deserve reperations? I'm talking about individuals.
Again, no one has answered key questions:
How would you go about distributing reparations?
Who would get or is eligible to receive reparations?
What opportunities would this present?
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That wasn't why that was thrown out there in the first place,
Slavery ended 150 years ago, that's a fact. The system has been ****** up since then, that's a fact. However, why do people multiple generations removed deserve reperations? I'm talking about individuals.
Again, no one has answered key questions:
How would you go about distributing reparations?
Who would get or is eligible to receive reparations?
What opportunities would this present?
Being removed from actually being a slave and being removed from the resulting factors of Slavery aren't the same. That'se saying native Americans shouldn't receive benefits for their status anymore.
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And really slavery was such a huge thing even reparations wouldn't be much, it will help but issues will still remain. Slavery literally shaped the entire Western Hemisphere not just America, hell you have Blacks natives literally even every country, from Mexico to the DR
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Still haven't legitimately answered any questions.
BRB, the how to get more food at Chipotle just got a little more interesting. Carry on, good luck with attaining reparations.
BRB, the how to get more food at Chipotle just got a little more interesting. Carry on, good luck with attaining reparations.
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Not just race threads but politically driven threads in general. I guess we can view in a glass half full sorta way in that people are becoming aware or trying to become awareWhat's up with NT and all these race threads?
I'm seriously wondering how the Hell race threads seemed to pick up hyperbolicly over the past year or so. It's lame to be quite frank. Seems like people have their own personal agendas or something.
I hope it's not just for sake of arguing or trolling.
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That wasn't why that was thrown out there in the first place,
Slavery ended 150 years ago, that's a fact. The system has been ****** up since then, that's a fact. However, why do people multiple generations removed deserve reperations? I'm talking about individuals.
Again, no one has answered key questions:
How would you go about distributing reparations?
Who would get or is eligible to receive reparations?
What opportunities would this present?
You're right, we black people, have been removed from slavery for generations but you forget the money that was made or opportunities created from slavery are still in existence today. The wealth from slavery was passed down and so on.
A particular race of people were giving farm land for cheap or next to nothing. Schools were built to help those people farm said land.
If I read correctly you're Mexican? You're people were never deemed less than human, by law. if you wanted to you could go back to your "home country" black can not do that.
You're asking simple questions:
how would distribute reparations. Simple, cut a check. You really think paying a race of people reparations would be hard. Didn't the government cut everyone a check a few years ago.
Who would be eligible? Again, simple, have people prove their family has been in this country from a said date. I would suggest 1900 or so.
What opportunities would reparations create? You're joking right? For example: 100k, it's not enough to completely change anyone's life but it would help out a lot. 100k could be used to pay off school loans, get out of debt, pay off a house, move out of a horrible neighborhood or create a business.
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We're all slaves now... Slaves for the dollar...
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I think its better saying Financial Illiteracy and Materialism are what many are slave too, not the actual dollar.
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Usually responses by individuals who are against it goes something like this....
"Even if descendants of slaves (black people) did deserve them, how would you distribute them?"
Notice it has no mention of whether or not certain blacks deserve reparations, but rather addresses a policy issue. The method of how reparations are distributed has nothing to do with whether or not they should be granted. (Which they should) To put it in perspective how far back America is still- it took 54 years AFTER Brown v. Board for Congress to apology for the act of slavery.
Don't forget Jim Crow as well.
"Even if descendants of slaves (black people) did deserve them, how would you distribute them?"
Notice it has no mention of whether or not certain blacks deserve reparations, but rather addresses a policy issue. The method of how reparations are distributed has nothing to do with whether or not they should be granted. (Which they should) To put it in perspective how far back America is still- it took 54 years AFTER Brown v. Board for Congress to apology for the act of slavery.
Don't forget Jim Crow as well.
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lol exactly
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That is quite possibly the longest post I've ever seen on NT.
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how do you propose the black community in america liberate themselves mentally?
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-My boy told me about this article like a week ago. Before I even tried to discuss the issue he said I should read the article first. I haven't yet but he told me it is more about giving people a better understanding of how the system as worked black folk, and how it has effected proceeding generations. The author has a 2nd article discussing how he is views on the issue changed over the years.
This country owes the black community a debt. And lets not act like the tab stop running when slavery ended
Maybe it shouldn't be cash payments, ok. But lets get off this "black shouldn't get special treatment" steez, when it is clear they have never even got equal treatment
This country owes the black community a debt. And lets not act like the tab stop running when slavery ended
Maybe it shouldn't be cash payments, ok. But lets get off this "black shouldn't get special treatment" steez, when it is clear they have never even got equal treatment
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Sadly there is no cut and dry answer.
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It's obvious practically no one participating in this thread has read this piece as of yet.
The author never details any actual systematic "reparations". Instead, he more-so asks for a historical acknowledgement of the wrongs of the past - something the US has yet to truly do.
It's a good read fellas. The title is mainly meant to draw you in.
The author never details any actual systematic "reparations". Instead, he more-so asks for a historical acknowledgement of the wrongs of the past - something the US has yet to truly do.
It's a good read fellas. The title is mainly meant to draw you in.
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Thanks for posting the link to this article, @cguy610. I wish more people would actually take the time to read it.
The "TL;DR" responses are utterly shameful.
The average teenager reads more than this every day if you combine all of the inane 140 character text fragments they devour. Instead of spending, on average, 3.8 hours a day learning about what Becky thought about Game of Thrones, what Billy had for dinner, or what Kim Kardashian wore when she went shopping for new outfits, you could spend 15-20 minutes on substantive writing and actually learn something important.
This article is actually quite compact, given its scope. This is a subject that could fill libraries. In a way, the response has helped prove the author's point.
People thoughtlessly dismiss the very concept of reparations out of hand and refuse to so much as authorize a serious study of its potential forms due to little more than willful ignorance (if not sheer contempt).
Racism is not an ancient shame confined to the distant past. It is our ongoing reality, and it's time for EVERYONE to finally face that reality together as a country.
After all, we're talking about crimes committed, aided, and abetted by the federal government and every single state in the union throughout the nation's troubled history.
Don't tell me it's too costly or impractical. Our government spends trillions of dollars on perpetual war. We spend billions of dollars imprisoning our fellow citizens, developing the highest incarceration rate in the entire world. We spend billions of dollars on corporate welfare each year. We can't research reparations, but the Department of Agriculture can spend $19 million researching ways to prevent bovine weight loss due to climate change.
This is a country that paid Halliburton $45 per case of soda in Iraq (and $100 per laundry bag) and literally lost $6.6 billion in cash airlifted to Baghdad. Every year, we pay Wildlife Services to kill millions of animals at $100-$2,000 per head for causing, on average, $22.50 worth of damage to ranchers. No one bats an eye.
It's cheaper to send someone to college (let alone drug rehab) than prison, but Americans would rather send people to prison. It's cheaper to house a homeless person than to pay for their healthcare and incarceration, but Americans would rather spend more to see them suffer. And for what? Because, out of some deranged sense of jealousy, they resent the possibility that a person could "unfairly" gain, through misfortune, a small portion of what they themselves have gained through the unearned fortune of their inherited social status?
The costs of poverty are staggering, and they aren't borne by the poor alone. We can talk about income inequality generally and the average well-meaning "liberal" will happily decry it - but talk about the racial wealth gap and suddenly they morph into Rush Limbaugh.
We collectively financed the 9/11 victims' relief fund and nobody whines that their family wasn't responsible for 9/11. The federal government pledged over $100 billion in aid following Hurricane Katrina. We didn't bar it on the grounds that "Katrina wasn't our fault" or that "it's possible that a rich person or someone from Wisconsin could benefit from it."
We go to the moon "not because it is easy, but because it is hard", but we can't even take the first step to formally acknowledge and address some of America's greatest sins because it's "too difficult?" "Patriotism a la carte" indeed.
Point blank, contemporary efforts to explore reparations have always been and will always be opposed due to petty jealousy.
You think reparations are unfair? Try racism.
The "TL;DR" responses are utterly shameful.
The average teenager reads more than this every day if you combine all of the inane 140 character text fragments they devour. Instead of spending, on average, 3.8 hours a day learning about what Becky thought about Game of Thrones, what Billy had for dinner, or what Kim Kardashian wore when she went shopping for new outfits, you could spend 15-20 minutes on substantive writing and actually learn something important.
This article is actually quite compact, given its scope. This is a subject that could fill libraries. In a way, the response has helped prove the author's point.
People thoughtlessly dismiss the very concept of reparations out of hand and refuse to so much as authorize a serious study of its potential forms due to little more than willful ignorance (if not sheer contempt).
Racism is not an ancient shame confined to the distant past. It is our ongoing reality, and it's time for EVERYONE to finally face that reality together as a country.
After all, we're talking about crimes committed, aided, and abetted by the federal government and every single state in the union throughout the nation's troubled history.
Don't tell me it's too costly or impractical. Our government spends trillions of dollars on perpetual war. We spend billions of dollars imprisoning our fellow citizens, developing the highest incarceration rate in the entire world. We spend billions of dollars on corporate welfare each year. We can't research reparations, but the Department of Agriculture can spend $19 million researching ways to prevent bovine weight loss due to climate change.
This is a country that paid Halliburton $45 per case of soda in Iraq (and $100 per laundry bag) and literally lost $6.6 billion in cash airlifted to Baghdad. Every year, we pay Wildlife Services to kill millions of animals at $100-$2,000 per head for causing, on average, $22.50 worth of damage to ranchers. No one bats an eye.
It's cheaper to send someone to college (let alone drug rehab) than prison, but Americans would rather send people to prison. It's cheaper to house a homeless person than to pay for their healthcare and incarceration, but Americans would rather spend more to see them suffer. And for what? Because, out of some deranged sense of jealousy, they resent the possibility that a person could "unfairly" gain, through misfortune, a small portion of what they themselves have gained through the unearned fortune of their inherited social status?
The costs of poverty are staggering, and they aren't borne by the poor alone. We can talk about income inequality generally and the average well-meaning "liberal" will happily decry it - but talk about the racial wealth gap and suddenly they morph into Rush Limbaugh.
We collectively financed the 9/11 victims' relief fund and nobody whines that their family wasn't responsible for 9/11. The federal government pledged over $100 billion in aid following Hurricane Katrina. We didn't bar it on the grounds that "Katrina wasn't our fault" or that "it's possible that a rich person or someone from Wisconsin could benefit from it."
We go to the moon "not because it is easy, but because it is hard", but we can't even take the first step to formally acknowledge and address some of America's greatest sins because it's "too difficult?" "Patriotism a la carte" indeed.
Point blank, contemporary efforts to explore reparations have always been and will always be opposed due to petty jealousy.
You think reparations are unfair? Try racism.
Aren't you supposed to be in medical school, Anton? I doubt you got there through anti-intellectualism.
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