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Do you guys understand what elite means?
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There are quite a few elite schools. Then there are the blue bloods. Legacy-type schools. Those schools' successes aren't attached to one man. In effect the school is bigger than the coach at any given time. UK, UNC, and Kansas fit that. Duke has yet had the opportunity to address that qualification. We all are eagerly waiting to see how it is answered. But what has hurt UCLA and Indiana from maintaining that status is decades of mediocrity, even though they have had talent.
UCONN hasn't done anything w/o Calhoun.
Syracuse is tied to Boheim.
UCLA hasn't been relevant in nearly 20 years.
Arizona is creeping up on 20 years of basically nothing.
Indiana turned in their claim to blue blood a long time ago.
Michigan State is knocking on the door, but I think the total lack of pressure for them to win affects their status.
Florida. See Michigan State.
Louisville has had success for decades, but they lack a large fanbase, they are stuck in the shadow of the state team, and they really can't be considered a national brand.
Duke. Well until K retires they are elite and can't go up or down.
UNC, UK and Kansas are the royalty of CBB for now. Others can most certainly move into this tier.
UCONN hasn't done anything w/o Calhoun.
Syracuse is tied to Boheim.
UCLA hasn't been relevant in nearly 20 years.
Arizona is creeping up on 20 years of basically nothing.
Indiana turned in their claim to blue blood a long time ago.
Michigan State is knocking on the door, but I think the total lack of pressure for them to win affects their status.
Florida. See Michigan State.
Louisville has had success for decades, but they lack a large fanbase, they are stuck in the shadow of the state team, and they really can't be considered a national brand.
Duke. Well until K retires they are elite and can't go up or down.
UNC, UK and Kansas are the royalty of CBB for now. Others can most certainly move into this tier.
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^ pretty much my exact thoughts.
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Arizona is elite. Any arguments otherwise are futile
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Here are the ranks:
Blue Blood Legacies
Elite
Great Basketball Program
Arizona
Blue Blood Legacies
Elite
Great Basketball Program
Arizona
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Y'all just trying to hurt my feelings 
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Nah.....hurting your feelings would be us telling you to expect a disappointment come March Madness....I'm thinking a knockout in the Elite 8.
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I'm using blue bloods and elites interchangeably, which is wrong. But I was saying that I don't see Duke as a blue blood. Clearly they're elite, but the blue bloods are the elite of the elite.
Mick Cronin extended through 2022 and salary bumped to 2.2 million plus incentives. Pretty big move as he's turned down higher paying jobs the past few offseasons and he's being rewarded now.
Mick Cronin extended through 2022 and salary bumped to 2.2 million plus incentives. Pretty big move as he's turned down higher paying jobs the past few offseasons and he's being rewarded now.
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I'll agree with y'all that AZ isn't a top 5 program (although the way Sean Miller is taking us....) But we are top 10 no doubt.
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Who else is elite and what makes Arizona elite with those programs? ...The resumes really don't compare.
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Read my mind. Two straight titles at a football dominant school. Bringing in transfers from the Northeast like Eli and Rosario. Recruiting top players like Kasey and "Sky" Walker.
VCU needs to sneak into the Sweet 16. Playing a lot better basketball than the beginning of the season. Larrier and Gilmore coming in. Building something lasting. Weber, Graham, Burgess returning. Unique brand of Havoc defense.
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Iron Man Drill:
That's my coach. Him and Mayor headed to the NBA.
That's my coach. Him and Mayor headed to the NBA.
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25 straight NCAA tournament trips (2nd all time)
4 Final Fours (won in 1997)
110 weeks in the top 5 (10th all time)
Coach Olsen is the all time leader in wins in Pac-10/12 history
Solid list of NBA standouts
Great fanbase
I dont think they are a blue blood like Kentucky, Duke, UNC, UCLA and Kansas. They do however belong in the same level as UCONN, Syracuse, Florida, MSU and Louisville
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Indiana is historically a "blue blood" by definition. At the very least, in everybody's second tier. 5 titles, 8 FF, two SS appearances the past two years for current relevance. Perspective would have changed had the team with Z, Vic, and Watford not underachieved.
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They're definitely on that level.
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So they are second tier...which would not make them Elite. There can't be 10 Elite schools...
UA just doesn't belong with the other 5 when you look at FFs, National Championships, Number of wins...
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Fun idea I want to float. Comparing all-time rosters for each program in a tournament bracket style based on votes from the CBB regulars.
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I mean, I think you're pointing out ticky tack things for some programs. UCLA has been relevant in the past 10 years by making 3 straight Final 4's. Michigan State has a top 3 resume if you're going back to the late 90's based on regular + postseason accomplishments. UConn has been without Calhoun for less than 2 years so that argument goes out the window. Louisville not a national brand? Papi, have you seen their athletic budget? There's a reason the ACC was more than happy to welcome their athletic department with open arms. Florida - back to back national championships, looking at potentially 3 straight Elite 8's this year.
Then you can look at your "royalty" of CBB. UK and UNC both have MULTIPLE years of missing the NCAA tourney and going to the NIT, even losing in the first round. Hell, UNC has embarrassing losing seasons under their belt since the early 2000's. UK has multiple seasons of aches and pains before Cal.
Basically, you can't discredit some programs for not being elite and then completely ignore harsher downfalls experienced by "royalty" programs.
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IN. G'luck creating those rosters though. That's all you, fam.
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How about you create your teams roster (Starting 5 and 6th man) so I would create KUs... Champ would create Arizona's...so on and so forth. Could probably get a good amount of schools.
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I think come up mistyped that post.
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DUKE and UNC are probably the most recognized programs in CBB. Definitely 1A and 1B
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February 22nd for Cuse and Duke. Bounce or Ainsworth.
I'll have Zona's squad tonight.
What I don't get is for those who say Syracuse is coach dependent on Jim Boeheim. How is Duke not similar in that aspect with Coach K?
Where does that leave Kansas and Kentucky, behind UNC and Duke?
