The NBA Draft Thread

[Vincent Van Goat]

You can't see him ever developing that? Like, ever? That would be a monumental failure on the coaches

With his size skill and athleticism, not to mention his three point capability, there's hope there for development

His free throw shooting percentage however is a bit concerning

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

The mid range jump shot is pretty essential for a PG to have.

Is it really? His game actually reminds me somewhat of harden without the cheap tricks

 

[B Sox]

I would never say that he couldn't develop a midrange EVER, but I definitely think it's something to be concerned about. Shooting off the dribble with his mechanics in traffic is just going to be really tough. Thing about Harden is that his game is predicated on drawing contact. Lonzo's seems like exact opposite.

 

[awwsome]

You can't see him ever developing that? Like, ever? That would be a monumental failure on the coaches

With his size skill and athleticism, not to mention his three point capability, there's hope there for development

His free throw shooting percentage however is a bit concerning

It's not solely on the coaches, Lonzo has played in a system that hides his faults at every level.

His shot will be MUCH harder to get off the dribble in the NBA, just as we've seen him struggle to get it off against high level college defenders.

And if y'all wanna say Fultz isn't a "true 40% 3pt shooter" then Lonzo definitely isn't either with his 65% from the FT line.

Not a fan of NBA prospects who still shoot like 6th graders from a form standpoint. You can't bring the ball across your body like that against real defense.

Also his lack of in between game renders him very pedestrian in PnR, it's not like his half court passing is as impressive as his passing in the open floor either.

There is still a lot to like with him and he'll go in the lottery but I wouldn't pick him top 3-5 unless PG is huge need for you.

 

[awwsome]

Is it really? His game actually reminds me somewhat of harden without the cheap tricks

Yea lets compare Ball to Harden.

Not like Harden didn't have a huge strength/weight advantage from the gate.

Not like he wasn't significantly better in the half court.

Not like he wasn't a better finisher at the rim and the midrange.

Not like Harden's form was broken.

Not like Harden wasn't a better scorer in every facet.

"Cheap tricks".

 

[addict4sneakers]

at comparing a mere mortal to the God James Harden

And comparing Harden who can turn the corner against anyone to a kid that really can't or doesn't show it. Leemealone gonna leemealone.

And Ball developing a mid range is more a of a mechanics thing for me. Like how do you move to your right and shoot when you need to holster your form from the left.

 

[B Sox]

It's not solely on the coaches, Lonzo has played in a system that hides his faults at every level.

Meant to bring this up in my last comment. Between Chino Hills and now at UCLA, he's been in these crazy run & gun systems surrounded by good 3 point shooters. If he doesn't land on a team that has personnel similar to what he's used to having around him, I think he is going to have some issues. When the game slows down, and there is more halfcourt play, his game becomes much more pedestrian.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

His form is weird for sure I can't argue that. The saving grace for him is his size

I don't want to call it broke but if someone does again I can't argue. It's goofy af

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Looks like all the draft nerds and make believe gms are on their high horse this am . Just itching to prove they sit on their *** in front of a TV and watch more than the next man, living vicariously thru **** vitale. I said somewhat, reminds ME, of harden's game. So smd

 

[worldbeefreeg]

@ comparing Ball to Harden

There is a huge difference with not shooting mid-range because the system your play in doesn't emphasize it (Harden) vs. not being able to shoot midrange cause you literally can't (Ball)

Ball could be amazing but to me it is disastrous to take a guy top five and miss on him and he is the guy to me that has the biggest questions marks.

 

[Moheezy]

Exactly. The mai difference is harden is still a threat from the mid range while Ball is 2 for 11 from 2 point shots for the entire year.

Defence will play you very differently.

 

[B Sox]

Ball could be amazing but to me it is disastrous to take a guy top five and miss on him and he is the guy to me that has the biggest questions marks.

I think the only way you could consider him a miss is if Jackson/Isaac/Smith/Fox end up becoming multi-time all-star players. Even if Ball has trouble developing a mid-range game, he is still going to be a good player for a long time. Definitely won't be a bust.

 

[awwsome]

Looks like all the draft nerds and make believe gms are on their high horse this am . Just itching to prove they sit on their *** in front of a TV and watch more than the next man, living vicariously thru **** vitale. I said somewhat, reminds ME, of harden's game. So smd

@ all that bs.

Na man, what you said just sounds idiotic and like you haven't seen either player play.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Exactly. The mai difference is harden is still a threat from the mid range while Ball is 2 for 11 from 2 point shots for the entire year.

Defence will play you very differently.

I don't know what the league average is but Harden is shooting the second highest % of his career from 3-10 feet at 39%, 33% for his career. It's also a miniscule amount of his total shot attempts coming from this range again the second highest amount in his career at 14%. I've seen him almost self destruct when left open from midrange. Not sure how much of a threat he really is from that area.

@ all that bs.

Na man, what you said just sounds idiotic and like you haven't seen either player play.

I said he somewhat reminds me of him and you came thru with the draftexpress.com strengths and weaknesses cliffs . Just trying too hard with all that

 

[ballinsam23]

Kevin Martin had his release coming from his chest almost and was fine. Much much better shooter than Ball, but really doesn't matter what release you have if the shot is falling.

I like Ball and I think he'll be fine in the NBA, wouldn't draft him in the top 3 though.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Kevin Martin had his release coming from his chest almost and was fine. Much much better shooter than Ball, but really doesn't matter what release you have if the shot is falling.

I like Ball and I think he'll be fine in the NBA, wouldn't draft him in the top 3 though.

Kevin Martin wasn't playing heavy PNR though. Matter of fact I don't remember him dribbling more than twice

 

[ballinsam23]

He averaged 20+ ppg in his career for a handful of seasons. Hard to do that only coming off screens.

Didnt play a lick of defense, but he was more than capable of dribbling and scoring on isolations early in his career.

 

[xan rather]

He averaged 20+ ppg in his career for a handful of seasons. Hard to do that only coming off screens.

is it? 

 

[ballinsam23]

If you're the main option on your team which he was most of his career, then yes.

 

[pmatic]

Martin was an early practitioner of using the rip through move and jumping into defenders to get to the FT line.

 

[Moheezy]

Really good breakdown on Monk here:

MALIK MONK IS BREAKING THE MOLD, BUT IS THAT WHAT THE NBA WANTS?

After reading that analysis, I kind of see him as a more athletic version of CJ (better finisher too) as his ceiling and a better shooting Monta Ellis as his floor.

I know this sounds like a broken record right now. But PERFECT fit for Philly on paper.

 

[awwsome]

Really good breakdown on Monk here:

MALIK MONK IS BREAKING THE MOLD, BUT IS THAT WHAT THE NBA WANTS?

After reading that analysis, I kind of see him as a more athletic version of CJ (better finisher too) as his ceiling and a better shooting Monta Ellis as his floor.

I know this sounds like a broken record right now. But PERFECT fit for Philly on paper.

His ceiling basically solely depends on if he can continue to be an elite shooter.

If he can, then he's a multiple time all star and will be one of the best scorers in the league eventually.

If not, he's Monta Ellis.


All I know is if he keeps up his streak down the stretch in March, it's going to be hard for a lot of GM's not to fall in love with him in an era where shooting is paramount.


Philly would be perfect because he could play the 1 on defense which helps him with his short arms while being the 2 on offense playing next to Simmons.

 

[addict4sneakers]

I haven't watched in a while, is Monk getting to the rack?

 

[awwsome]

I haven't watched in a while, is Monk getting to the rack?

Nope.

But he also is shooting it better than basically anybody has from a catch and shoot/pull up perspective.

 

[addict4sneakers]

I haven't watched in a while, is Monk getting to the rack?

Nope.

But he also is shooting it better than basically anybody has from a catch and shoot/pull up perspective.

I caught a second of the Georgia game and I saw him take two hard dribbles to right and pull up.

I think he's more of the Ben Gordon type which isn't a bad thing.