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An interesting subplot of the Utah-New Orleans game — a 105-87 Jazz victory — was the confrontation between the two best point guards in the NBA: Deron Williams vs. Chris Paul. Fortunately, the game showcased each player’s specific strengths and weaknesses.
CP3
• Has quicker hands and feet than Williams, and subsequently also has much more defensive range — as evidenced by his five steals.
• Has much better touch on his passes even among the trees in the paint. Paul also takes much better care of the ball — nine assists and only one turnover.
• Makes exceptional entry passes — mostly into David West.
• Always looks to push the ball on offense and is presented by a wide variety of high screens in early offense situations. And nobody is tighter and quicker in turning the corner on any kind of screen.
• For the Hornets to succeed, Paul needs to look for his own shots. One of the reasons New Orleans lost was his taking only eight shots (making four). Indeed, he seemed to be somewhat listless and off his game.
• Given sufficient time and space can bury 3-pointers, but was only 1 of 3 from out there.
D-WILL
• Is certainly the strongest point in the league. Took Paul into the low post four times, bullying his way to being fouled plus a pair of buckets.
• Because of his killer crossover (left to right) and his strength, Williams is a better finisher in traffic than Paul.
• Can pull-and-shoot and also set-shoot better than CP3. In fact, Williams went under virtually all of the screens used by Paul, basically daring him to shoot. Also, on several sequences, Williams abandoned Paul to harass West in the pivot, a deliberate tactic that likewise enticed Paul to fire away from the perimeter.
• Meanwhile, Williams’ edge in strength enables him to have a smoother, less stressful stroke on his long-distance shots — he was 4 of 5 from beyond the arc. In all, he was 9 of 18 from the field, scoring a game-high 26 points.
• Uses his strength to set power screens, even against big men. Sometimes he’ll screen and pop, other times he’ll screen and then curl off a subsequent screen. Each of the seven screens he set against the Hornets was rock solid.
• Plays better position defense than CP3. His five steals came on anticipation and alertness rather than by beating the ball into the passing lanes or sniping a careless dribble.
• All five of Williams’ turnovers (against his 11 dimes) resulted from passes that were too flat to get past/over intervening defenders.
Paul is the perfect playmaker for the Hornets’ quick-hitting offense. In their half-court sets, New Orleans runs West into the pivot, curls the wings off weak-side screens or has Paul create off single and staggered screens.
At the same time, Williams is the perfect facilitator for Utah’s perpetual screening-cutting-curling-popping half-court offense.
In truth, it’s unfair to compare these two players, because they have markedly different functions for their respective teams. Even so, I’ll take Williams for his versatility, his power and his firm hand on Utah’s highly disciplined attack.
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An interesting subplot of the Utah-New Orleans game — a 105-87 Jazz victory — was the confrontation between the two best point guards in the NBA: Deron Williams vs. Chris Paul. Fortunately, the game showcased each player’s specific strengths and weaknesses.
CP3
• Has quicker hands and feet than Williams, and subsequently also has much more defensive range — as evidenced by his five steals.
• Has much better touch on his passes even among the trees in the paint. Paul also takes much better care of the ball — nine assists and only one turnover.
• Makes exceptional entry passes — mostly into David West.
• Always looks to push the ball on offense and is presented by a wide variety of high screens in early offense situations. And nobody is tighter and quicker in turning the corner on any kind of screen.
• For the Hornets to succeed, Paul needs to look for his own shots. One of the reasons New Orleans lost was his taking only eight shots (making four). Indeed, he seemed to be somewhat listless and off his game.
• Given sufficient time and space can bury 3-pointers, but was only 1 of 3 from out there.
D-WILL
• Is certainly the strongest point in the league. Took Paul into the low post four times, bullying his way to being fouled plus a pair of buckets.
• Because of his killer crossover (left to right) and his strength, Williams is a better finisher in traffic than Paul.
• Can pull-and-shoot and also set-shoot better than CP3. In fact, Williams went under virtually all of the screens used by Paul, basically daring him to shoot. Also, on several sequences, Williams abandoned Paul to harass West in the pivot, a deliberate tactic that likewise enticed Paul to fire away from the perimeter.
• Meanwhile, Williams’ edge in strength enables him to have a smoother, less stressful stroke on his long-distance shots — he was 4 of 5 from beyond the arc. In all, he was 9 of 18 from the field, scoring a game-high 26 points.
• Uses his strength to set power screens, even against big men. Sometimes he’ll screen and pop, other times he’ll screen and then curl off a subsequent screen. Each of the seven screens he set against the Hornets was rock solid.
• Plays better position defense than CP3. His five steals came on anticipation and alertness rather than by beating the ball into the passing lanes or sniping a careless dribble.
• All five of Williams’ turnovers (against his 11 dimes) resulted from passes that were too flat to get past/over intervening defenders.
Paul is the perfect playmaker for the Hornets’ quick-hitting offense. In their half-court sets, New Orleans runs West into the pivot, curls the wings off weak-side screens or has Paul create off single and staggered screens.
At the same time, Williams is the perfect facilitator for Utah’s perpetual screening-cutting-curling-popping half-court offense.
In truth, it’s unfair to compare these two players, because they have markedly different functions for their respective teams. Even so, I’ll take Williams for his versatility, his power and his firm hand on Utah’s highly disciplined attack.
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Charley Rosen, one of the bigger degenerates in sports writing.
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Charley Rosen, one of the bigger degenerates in sports writing.
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D.Will is 15-3 against CP3. D.Will wins playoff series and is never injured. I'd choose D.Will obviously but there isn't a right answer to the question those two are both amazingly good. Although CP3 is a little %%%#%.
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D.Will is 15-3 against CP3. D.Will wins playoff series and is never injured. I'd choose D.Will obviously but there isn't a right answer to the question those two are both amazingly good. Although CP3 is a little %%%#%.
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CP3 is not better than Deron, just stop it guys.
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CP3 is not better than Deron, just stop it guys.
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So you're saying that on a kick out or to make a shot (non lay-up) for the game you'd rather have CP take it over Deron???
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So you're saying that on a kick out or to make a shot (non lay-up) for the game you'd rather have CP take it over Deron???
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That was a horrible article.
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That was a horrible article.
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he's looking at the stats ... he doesn't watch the games ... leave him to his opinion ... as silly as it is ...Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE
So you're saying that on a kick out or to make a shot (non lay-up) for the game you'd rather have CP take it over Deron???
i have silly ones too but deron is def. a better shooter
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he's looking at the stats ... he doesn't watch the games ... leave him to his opinion ... as silly as it is ...Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE
So you're saying that on a kick out or to make a shot (non lay-up) for the game you'd rather have CP take it over Deron???
i have silly ones too but deron is def. a better shooter
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Seems like an argument between traditionalists (Rosen) and new-age stats based scouting (Hollinger/Pelton). Personally, I favor the stats guys, but one shouldn't dismiss the other just for the sake of being right. When evaluating a player both qualitative and quantitative analysis should be utilized. With that said, Chris Paul is easily the superior player and will eventually go down as an all-time great point guard. He a better shooter, much better passer, turns it over less, and can run an offense better. Just watch him operate a pick and roll; thing of beauty. He makes David West (not that he's a scrub) look like the mailman out there. This isn't a knock on Deron who is a quality player himself, I'm just not sure he's better than Russell Westbrook let alone the best point guard on the planet.
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Seems like an argument between traditionalists (Rosen) and new-age stats based scouting (Hollinger/Pelton). Personally, I favor the stats guys, but one shouldn't dismiss the other just for the sake of being right. When evaluating a player both qualitative and quantitative analysis should be utilized. With that said, Chris Paul is easily the superior player and will eventually go down as an all-time great point guard. He a better shooter, much better passer, turns it over less, and can run an offense better. Just watch him operate a pick and roll; thing of beauty. He makes David West (not that he's a scrub) look like the mailman out there. This isn't a knock on Deron who is a quality player himself, I'm just not sure he's better than Russell Westbrook let alone the best point guard on the planet.
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Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE
So you're saying that on a kick out or to make a shot (non lay-up) for the game you'd rather have CP take it over Deron???
Why wouldn't I?
| 10-15 Feet | 16-23 Feet | Threes | ||||||||
| Yr | M | A | FG% | M | A | FG% | M | A | FG% | |
| Chris Paul | 2009 - 2010 | 1.1 | 2.2 | 51.5 | 2.2 | 4.9 | 45.0 | 1.2 | 2.8 | 40.9 |
| Deron Williams | 2009 - 2010 | 0.3 | 0.8 | 32.8 | 1.8 | 4.1 | 43.0 | 1.3 | 3.4 | 37.1 |
| 10-15 Feet | 16-23 Feet | Threes | ||||||||
| Yr | M | A | FG% | M | A | FG% | M | A | FG% | |
| Chris Paul | 2010 - 2011 | 0.8 | 2.0 | 42.3 | 1.5 | 3.5 | 41.0 | 1.1 | 2.3 | 47.1 |
| Deron Williams | 2010 - 2011 | 0.4 | 1.4 | 28.6 | 1.5 | 3.8 | 40.0 | 1.5 | 4.2 | 36.6 |
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Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE
So you're saying that on a kick out or to make a shot (non lay-up) for the game you'd rather have CP take it over Deron???
Why wouldn't I?
| 10-15 Feet | 16-23 Feet | Threes | ||||||||
| Yr | M | A | FG% | M | A | FG% | M | A | FG% | |
| Chris Paul | 2009 - 2010 | 1.1 | 2.2 | 51.5 | 2.2 | 4.9 | 45.0 | 1.2 | 2.8 | 40.9 |
| Deron Williams | 2009 - 2010 | 0.3 | 0.8 | 32.8 | 1.8 | 4.1 | 43.0 | 1.3 | 3.4 | 37.1 |
| 10-15 Feet | 16-23 Feet | Threes | ||||||||
| Yr | M | A | FG% | M | A | FG% | M | A | FG% | |
| Chris Paul | 2010 - 2011 | 0.8 | 2.0 | 42.3 | 1.5 | 3.5 | 41.0 | 1.1 | 2.3 | 47.1 |
| Deron Williams | 2010 - 2011 | 0.4 | 1.4 | 28.6 | 1.5 | 3.8 | 40.0 | 1.5 | 4.2 | 36.6 |
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he's looking at the stats ... he doesn't watch the games
Right, because those two things are mutually exclusive.
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he's looking at the stats ... he doesn't watch the games
Right, because those two things are mutually exclusive.
