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Here's an article all about STM especially vs USM
http://petapixel.com/2013/08/26/vid...-and-stm-lenses-using-the-70ds-dual-pixel-af/
The magic is in the lens... A kit lens is obviously better than not having a lens at all, its good for getting your feet wet, its good for deciding whether or not you want to move forward with this, etc.
But in all honesty, you'll be much better off with superior optics. But don't get me wrong, you can still create compelling content with kit equipment.
Cool thanks. Btw you said your phone was better then a t2i. I have a t1i and with raw editing and everything I like what I get. I can shoot raw with my Samsung s7 edge and pretty soon I'll be editing something from it to test results. although I like my camera for what it's worth its not that good, but more so good enough. T1i raw edited Picture quality is better then the average picture taken in auto. I just wish I had something better as I have quickly out grown my camera smh. So rebel cameras are good enough, but I'd rather get a budget friendly camera from nikon then a rebel. So if anyone is starting out either save for the camera you really want or go nikon. Thats my opinion. I just feel nikon does better for low budget cameras
You guys are really misinterpreting what I am saying.
GLASS GLASS GLASS GLASS GLASS
My phone will beat out a KIT LENS.
You can put a $5,000 lens on a rebel and you will get phenomenal results... because the LENS is.
When I first started out I was using a nikon D7000 I got for like $500 w/ a $2,000 Nikkor 70-200 and was getting great results. The magic is in the LENS... especially for photography specifically.
I get you...but fam you are buggin...some phones these days may indeed have quality optics and yes glass is what really gives images that extra pop, however sensor size factors as well and modern kit lens are pretty decent; i definitely think most people would rather use a phone than a dedicated camera because the quality is better than good enough but for anything that you'd want to isolate a subject in camera or excercise granular level of control any dslr is going to smash a phone camera...
1 -- I agree w/ you.
2 - That wasnt my argument. It was strictly about optical quality of the lens on phones verses 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 kit lenses & I was able to accomplish a shot with my phone better than the 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 kit lens simply because it was a wide shot that needed to get done.
After I took that shot, I used my 5D w/ the 17mm f/4 & off camera flash to get the shot even better than I wanted
3 - The next iOS and ive seen some android apps that allow for manual shooting
4 - 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 kit lenses are realistically not giving you much control over anything... shooting at 50mm f/5.6 leads you to pretty much only 1 scenario... High ISO.
I think the 55-200mm kit lenses are better than the 18-55. I think 18-55 is really a waste of a lens. You're much better off getting a couple wide angle cheap primes that allow for greater aperture control.
My only beef here is with the 18-55mm kit lens. I think its a waste of time, and when budgets are tight, it should just be ignored.