The Penn State Child-Sex Abuse Scandal Thread...Hammer dropped on PSU...sanctions galore.

[gangsta207therevolution]

This is but a case of Arm chair morality.
Don't get me wrong I would have called the police right away, but that GA would be the only coroberating person on the case.
That GA is the one who has to live with himself. There were potiental charges ignored by the university in 1998... Think about that... if there was a chance to ban him from campus it was then.... Instead? No boys allowed on the main campus with Sandusky.
Were here putting all or a great portion of copability on one person

THE ENTIRE PENN STATE UNIVERSITY Athletic Department , and anyone who knew or had a legit inkling should at minimum take a look in the mirror and ask themselves how did it go so far?
Talking about "it was an open secret" after the story breaks doesnt do it. Saying that Joe Pa needed to go to the cops doesnt do it.
Look if Joe Pa told Sandusky that he wouldnt be the next head coach cause he was spending too much time at "the second mile" It could have been simply the time he was away from the football office.
Those allegations might have infulenced the decision, but was it really up to Joe Pa to personally ban Sandusky from campus?
We Don't know what the relationship was after that. It could have been were gone keep you at bey cause it hasnt been proven, and you have not been charged. Honestly thats what happened, then they banned boys from the main campus. He was still allowed to host the boy camp in Erie... How in the blue hell is that on Joe PA? The University knew about the allegations, and still provided space for Sandusky to be a predator.

Is that decision really on Joe PA.
This %$*@ is sick, and I guess they figure that were going to put it on the guy and the regime after they are going to be leaving, let Joe PA die soon after, and rebuild the reputation later. Joe PA despite all his alleged power is simply nothing more than a scape goat cause he is the face of the school.

 

[af1 1982]

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution


This is but a case of Arm chair morality.
Don't get me wrong I would have called the police right away, but that GA would be the only coroberating person on the case.
That GA is the one who has to live with himself. There were potiental charges ignored by the university in 1998... Think about that... if there was a chance to ban him from campus it was then.... Instead? No boys allowed on the main campus with Sandusky.
Were here putting all or a great portion of copability on one person

THE ENTIRE PENN STATE UNIVERSITY Athletic Department , and anyone who knew or had a legit inkling should at minimum take a look in the mirror and ask themselves how did it go so far?
Talking about "it was an open secret" after the story breaks doesnt do it. Saying that Joe Pa needed to go to the cops doesnt do it.
Look if Joe Pa told Sandusky that he wouldnt be the next head coach cause he was spending too much time at "the second mile" It could have been simply the time he was away from the football office.
Those allegations might have infulenced the decision, but was it really up to Joe Pa to personally ban Sandusky from campus?
We Don't know what the relationship was after that. It could have been were gone keep you at bey cause it hasnt been proven, and you have not been charged. Honestly thats what happened, then they banned boys from the main campus. He was still allowed to host the boy camp in Erie... How in the blue hell is that on Joe PA? The University knew about the allegations, and still provided space for Sandusky to be a predator.

Is that decision really on Joe PA.
This %$*@ is sick, and I guess they figure that were going to put it on the guy and the regime after they are going to be leaving, let Joe PA die soon after, and rebuild the reputation later. Joe PA despite all his alleged power is simply nothing more than a scape goat cause he is the face of the school.

Exactly. It was McQuery and Schultz who banned him from campus as punishment. Joe Pa has no power to "officially" determine Sanduskys punishment. Joe Pa handled it his way told Sandusky that he wasn't going to be coach because of his child abuse. Whether that was the right way to handle it, that's up for you to decide. 
But that also brings up questions. Why was he still allowed on campus and whatnot. I feel like people are jumping to conclusions to answer these questions. No one knows what went on in the conversation with the GA and Paterno. Only they know. That's it. Until then, we have to stop jumping to conclusions and start demanding answers. I was out there screaming in front of old main tonight screaming at spaniers window demanding for answers. That's what we need more of. 

 

[af1 1982]

Statement by The Pennsylvania State University Board ofTrustees

The Board of Trustees of The Pennsylvania State Universityis outraged by the

horrifying details contained in the Grand Jury Report. Asparents, alumni and

members of the Penn State Community, our hearts go out toall of those impacted

by these terrible events, especially the tragedies involvingchildren and their

families. We cannot begin to express the combination ofsorrow and anger that

we feel about the allegations surrounding Jerry Sandusky. Wehear those of you

who feel betrayed and we want to assure all of you that theBoard will take

swift, decisive action.

At its regular meeting on Friday, November 11, 2011, theBoard will appoint a

Special Committee, members of which are currently beingidentified, to

undertake a full and complete investigation of thecircumstances that gave rise

to the Grand Jury Report.   This Special Committee will be commissioned to

determine what failures occurred, who is responsible andwhat measures are

necessary to insure that this never happens at ourUniversity again and that

those responsible are held fully accountable. The SpecialCommittee will have

whatever resources are necessary to thoroughly fulfill itscharge, including

independent counsel and investigative teams, and there willbe no restrictions

placed on its scope or activities.   Upon the completion of this investigation,

a complete report will be presented at a future publicsession of the Board of

Trustees.

Penn State has always strived for honesty, integrity and thehighest moral

standards in all of its programs. We will not tolerate anyviolation of these

principles. We educate over 95,000 students every year andwe take this

responsibility very seriously. We are dedicated toprotecting those who are

placed in our care.   We promise you that we are committed to restoringpublic

trust in the University.


eMail I got from the school tonight. Also available on the Penn State live website

 

[af1 1982]

From Twitter via ESPN:

"ESPN News is reporting that former Pa. Governor Tom Ridge is potential replacement for #PennState Pres. Spanier. #PSUcharges"


Please get the bastard Spanier out of here. The Penn State community has been wanting him out for years. Now is finally the time.
Also from Twitter

AP says Paterno fights for his job "amid "eroding" support from Penn State's board of trustees." #PSUCharges

http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=#PSUCharges

Looks like the students aren't the only ones fighting for Joe.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution


This is but a case of Arm chair morality.
Don't get me wrong I would have called the police right away, but that GA would be the only coroberating person on the case.
That GA is the one who has to live with himself. There were potiental charges ignored by the university in 1998... Think about that... if there was a chance to ban him from campus it was then.... Instead? No boys allowed on the main campus with Sandusky.
Were here putting all or a great portion of copability on one person

THE ENTIRE PENN STATE UNIVERSITY Athletic Department , and anyone who knew or had a legit inkling should at minimum take a look in the mirror and ask themselves how did it go so far?
Talking about "it was an open secret" after the story breaks doesnt do it. Saying that Joe Pa needed to go to the cops doesnt do it.
Look if Joe Pa told Sandusky that he wouldnt be the next head coach cause he was spending too much time at "the second mile" It could have been simply the time he was away from the football office.
Those allegations might have infulenced the decision, but was it really up to Joe Pa to personally ban Sandusky from campus?
We Don't know what the relationship was after that. It could have been were gone keep you at bey cause it hasnt been proven, and you have not been charged. Honestly thats what happened, then they banned boys from the main campus. He was still allowed to host the boy camp in Erie... How in the blue hell is that on Joe PA? The University knew about the allegations, and still provided space for Sandusky to be a predator.

Is that decision really on Joe PA.
This %$*@ is sick, and I guess they figure that were going to put it on the guy and the regime after they are going to be leaving, let Joe PA die soon after, and rebuild the reputation later. Joe PA despite all his alleged power is simply nothing more than a scape goat cause he is the face of the school.

Exactly. It was McQuery and Schultz who banned him from campus as punishment. Joe Pa has no power to "officially" determine Sanduskys punishment. Joe Pa handled it his way told Sandusky that he wasn't going to be coach because of his child abuse. Whether that was the right way to handle it, that's up for you to decide. 
But that also brings up questions. Why was he still allowed on campus and whatnot. I feel like people are jumping to conclusions to answer these questions. No one knows what went on in the conversation with the GA and Paterno. Only they know. That's it. Until then, we have to stop jumping to conclusions and start demanding answers. I was out there screaming in front of old main tonight screaming at spaniers window demanding for answers. That's what we need more of. 

They banned him from bringing boys under 18 on campus... they didnt ban him until Sunday. They didnt ban him and boys until after the 2002 allegation 4 years after the 1998 allegation.  

 

[af1 1982]

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution


This is but a case of Arm chair morality.
Don't get me wrong I would have called the police right away, but that GA would be the only coroberating person on the case.
That GA is the one who has to live with himself. There were potiental charges ignored by the university in 1998... Think about that... if there was a chance to ban him from campus it was then.... Instead? No boys allowed on the main campus with Sandusky.
Were here putting all or a great portion of copability on one person

THE ENTIRE PENN STATE UNIVERSITY Athletic Department , and anyone who knew or had a legit inkling should at minimum take a look in the mirror and ask themselves how did it go so far?
Talking about "it was an open secret" after the story breaks doesnt do it. Saying that Joe Pa needed to go to the cops doesnt do it.
Look if Joe Pa told Sandusky that he wouldnt be the next head coach cause he was spending too much time at "the second mile" It could have been simply the time he was away from the football office.
Those allegations might have infulenced the decision, but was it really up to Joe Pa to personally ban Sandusky from campus?
We Don't know what the relationship was after that. It could have been were gone keep you at bey cause it hasnt been proven, and you have not been charged. Honestly thats what happened, then they banned boys from the main campus. He was still allowed to host the boy camp in Erie... How in the blue hell is that on Joe PA? The University knew about the allegations, and still provided space for Sandusky to be a predator.

Is that decision really on Joe PA.
This %$*@ is sick, and I guess they figure that were going to put it on the guy and the regime after they are going to be leaving, let Joe PA die soon after, and rebuild the reputation later. Joe PA despite all his alleged power is simply nothing more than a scape goat cause he is the face of the school.

Exactly. It was McQuery and Schultz who banned him from campus as punishment. Joe Pa has no power to "officially" determine Sanduskys punishment. Joe Pa handled it his way told Sandusky that he wasn't going to be coach because of his child abuse. Whether that was the right way to handle it, that's up for you to decide. 
But that also brings up questions. Why was he still allowed on campus and whatnot. I feel like people are jumping to conclusions to answer these questions. No one knows what went on in the conversation with the GA and Paterno. Only they know. That's it. Until then, we have to stop jumping to conclusions and start demanding answers. I was out there screaming in front of old main tonight screaming at spaniers window demanding for answers. That's what we need more of. 

They banned him from bringing boys under 18 on campus... they didnt ban him until Sunday. They didnt ban him and boys until after the 2002 allegation 4 years after the 1998 allegation.  

Thanks for clearing it up. I have yet to read the Grand Jury report and honestly I don't want to, I would honestly throw up. 

 

[sohi 23]

Everytime I see this thread I get angry.

 

[bogusreality]

this is not about football, coaches, legacies, or FBS schools,

this is about MEN taking advantage of BOYS.

while other MEN knew of it.

the program should get the death sentence.

and the men involved should be dealt with even harsher than any other case.

 

[af1 1982]

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

Everytime I see this thread I get angry.

It's a very very delicate and tense situation. Let's just hope we can keep this thread to have healthy discussions and to be a one collective source where multiple news outlets meet. 

 

[af1 1982]

Originally Posted by bogusreality

this is not about football, coaches, legacies, or FBS schools,

this is about MEN taking advantage of BOYS.

while other MEN knew of it.

the program should get the death sentence.

and the men involved should be dealt with even harsher than any other case.

They didn't break any NCAA regulations so I don't see that happening. NCAA should just stay out of this investigation and let the real authorities handle it. 

 

[bogusreality]

true...

but i don't think the NCAA will stand idly by while their hands get bloody as well...

with the previous scandals from this year alone and now this, the NCAA looks like it can't control their institutions.

this is unprecedented. what will become of this will be as harsh as the death penalty.

 

[af1 1982]

Originally Posted by bogusreality

true...

but i don't think the NCAA will stand idly by while their hands get bloody as well...

with the previous scandals from this year alone and now this, the NCAA looks like it can't control their institutions.

this is unprecedented. what will become of this will be as harsh as the death penalty.

Please, I hope the NCAA stays out. The last thing the police needs is the NCAA to get in their way. This isn't about football, this is the real world. And they need to stay the hell out and let the "real" people handle it. 

 

[noblekane]

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

af1 I apologize if I came across like I was attacking you or anything, wasn't consciously trying to. Obviously this case has a lot of us pretty angry because of all the kids whose lives have been affected, but I'm not trying to take out that frustration on you or anyone else.

No worries, you honestly did make good points and I truly appreciate your insight. It's just a tense situation for the entire country right now and it's very easy for people to get mad at every one. 
Just came back from the riots since 10 pm. @@@+ was crazy. Started at the Old Main building where Spanier works. Then to Beaver avenue then back to old main, then to the football stadium, then back to old main. At some point, Spanier snuck out the side and was police escorted which is surprising no one noticed because there were at least 1-2k people out there. Riot police with tear gas everywhere.

http://www.collegian.psu....ver_ave_for_protest.aspx

 A lot of people supporting Joe which is understandable. No one is really protesting his actions but moreso that fact they are forcing him out. 

how the $$*@ is supporting this old pile of trash understandable?
all them students should be shot in the face......smh.... #$#@+$* ******s out there... 

Joe Paterno KNEW what happen. he was covering for his buddy aswell. Whether it was because he was covering for sandusky or for the school he still did it.

So yes these douche bags ARE protesting against doing the right thing. 

I really dont see how ANYONE can defend Joe Paterno. 

if this guy wasnt the head coach of the football team them dummies would be yelling !++% joe paterno too.

I like how you pick and choose who to blame but the fact is all them dudes are guilty just the same for keeping quiet not going to the police...

 

[アミーゴ]

Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

af1 I apologize if I came across like I was attacking you or anything, wasn't consciously trying to. Obviously this case has a lot of us pretty angry because of all the kids whose lives have been affected, but I'm not trying to take out that frustration on you or anyone else.

No worries, you honestly did make good points and I truly appreciate your insight. It's just a tense situation for the entire country right now and it's very easy for people to get mad at every one. 
Just came back from the riots since 10 pm. @@@+ was crazy. Started at the Old Main building where Spanier works. Then to Beaver avenue then back to old main, then to the football stadium, then back to old main. At some point, Spanier snuck out the side and was police escorted which is surprising no one noticed because there were at least 1-2k people out there. Riot police with tear gas everywhere.

http://www.collegian.psu....ver_ave_for_protest.aspx

 A lot of people supporting Joe which is understandable. No one is really protesting his actions but moreso that fact they are forcing him out. 

all them students should be shot in the face......

Wait...A lil too far?

 

[grusumm18]

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by af1 1982


Exactly. It was McQuery and Schultz who banned him from campus as punishment. Joe Pa has no power to "officially" determine Sanduskys punishment. Joe Pa handled it his way told Sandusky that he wasn't going to be coach because of his child abuse. Whether that was the right way to handle it, that's up for you to decide. 
But that also brings up questions. Why was he still allowed on campus and whatnot. I feel like people are jumping to conclusions to answer these questions. No one knows what went on in the conversation with the GA and Paterno. Only they know. That's it. Until then, we have to stop jumping to conclusions and start demanding answers. I was out there screaming in front of old main tonight screaming at spaniers window demanding for answers. That's what we need more of. 

They banned him from bringing boys under 18 on campus... they didnt ban him until Sunday. They didnt ban him and boys until after the 2002 allegation 4 years after the 1998 allegation.  

Thanks for clearing it up. I have yet to read the Grand Jury report and honestly I don't want to, I would honestly throw up. 

really dont know how you can comment so much on this w/o reading it...not an attack, player
is it a fd up read, ldo...but summaries and c/p jobs of snippets are not enough if you want to have discourse, imo 

/$0.02

 

[nestasprotege]

Noblekane, you come off as juvenile and ignorant.

 

[doublejs07]

AF1 1982, why haven't you at least read part of the GJ report?  You might have a little more clarity in your opinion if you were at least somewhat informed as to what went down on your campus. 

Also...

here's what Joe said last night (if you haven't seen the vid)

“We want Joe!

 

[tim teufel]

Wow this is starting to get good. Can't wait till all the dirt really starts coming out

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by Al3xis

Paterno is being allowed to finish out the year? Did I just hear that?

They can't be serious....HOW is that even possible?  

  Maybe they should let Sandusky continue to use the school facilities since he isn't in jail yet.....

People need to stop painting a picture of Joe Paterno as a sympathetic figure in all of this...I am befuddled as to how the people in his corner aren't holding him the slightest bit accountable for what's gone on at the school for the past 15-20 years.  

This situation already makes me sick to my stomach, and I can't even imagine what the reaction will be if he's there in the stadium on Saturday. 

  As much as he's done for the school, it's in the best interest of everyone to keep Joe Paterno away. 


  

 

[Kimchi Papi]

 

[al3xis]

IDK, I just heard it on the radio last night doublej's.

Guess Joe Schad is now saying it is possible he does finish out the year but no way he's back next year (gee, ya think?)

 

[venom lyrix]

Originally Posted by tim teufel

Wow this is starting to get good. Can't wait till all the dirt really starts coming out

really? this is what it's come to? we're "rooting" for more disgusting details to come out?

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by Al3xis

IDK, I just heard it on the radio last night doublej's.

Guess Joe Schad is now saying it is possible he does finish out the year but no way he's back next year (gee, ya think?)

Unbelievable...

this man harbored a pedophile...but let's let him coach vs. Nebraska. 

  Damn shame....victims are clearly secondary to football and Joe Pa's ENORMOUS shadow. 

  

 

[e3lal]

I just got caught up on this situation and it's so sickening what happened and the "acceptance" by the media/school for Paterno.  It's also very frustrating to see what we did to Vick while this person hurts actual people and there's indifference.

 

[cuffy]

This some ill #%%#, I finally got around to reading the grand jury report....my god I cringed reading that #%%#. It made me NEVER wanna leave my child outta my sight again