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The Penn State Child-Sex Abuse Scandal Thread...Hammer dropped on PSU...sanctions galore.
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It's truly amazing to me how much this predator operated out in the open, at his employer no less. This pedophile just up and went wherever he wanted and assaulted kids in school locker rooms, showers, etc. Year after year, just out in the open with no regard to hiding what he does.
And why wouldn't he? He existed in a culture where we have a decade of witnesses and superiors either seeing or being told of his actions and yet not a single thing happened to good old Jer.
And this to me isn't completely a Penn State thing. This is a culture thing. Because this culture that lead to Sandusky getting away with this exists at many other places where we turn a blind eye, don't want to get involved or follow-up, and are worried about our jobs and brand name over anything else.
And why wouldn't he? He existed in a culture where we have a decade of witnesses and superiors either seeing or being told of his actions and yet not a single thing happened to good old Jer.
And this to me isn't completely a Penn State thing. This is a culture thing. Because this culture that lead to Sandusky getting away with this exists at many other places where we turn a blind eye, don't want to get involved or follow-up, and are worried about our jobs and brand name over anything else.
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I refuse to believe there are many places where this would be allowed to happen the way it did in Happy Valley.
maybe thats just me having some faith in some coaches when it comes to kids.
and imo
Tom Bradley should NOT be the coach at Penn State.
He witnessed kids in shower with Sandusky also not sexually but either way, You can Not allow that to happen No way No How.
maybe thats just me having some faith in some coaches when it comes to kids.
and imo
Tom Bradley should NOT be the coach at Penn State.
He witnessed kids in shower with Sandusky also not sexually but either way, You can Not allow that to happen No way No How.
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^ Bro, I know we've disagreed on a ton of different sports related topics, and when it comes to sports, I've told you before that you're one of the opinions I hold in pretty high esteem on here (especially w/ NCAAF).
But on your statement "I refuse to believe there are many places where this would be allowed to happen the way it did in Happy Valley", I'll just say this: yes, there are many places where this kind of thing happens. "The way it did in Happy Valley"? No, not necessarily.
But on your statement "I refuse to believe there are many places where this would be allowed to happen the way it did in Happy Valley", I'll just say this: yes, there are many places where this kind of thing happens. "The way it did in Happy Valley"? No, not necessarily.
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no need to defend your stance. i get what youre saying, totally
I just am trying to believe that Other coaches/programs wouldnt allow this to happen. Im moreso hoping thats the case.
it bothers *edit* sickens me that all these folks who are supposed to be "authority figures" could allow children to be done this way. ALmost all of them are themselves parents.
I just am trying to believe that Other coaches/programs wouldnt allow this to happen. Im moreso hoping thats the case.
it bothers *edit* sickens me that all these folks who are supposed to be "authority figures" could allow children to be done this way. ALmost all of them are themselves parents.
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This picture makes me want to vomit http://t.co/zC6WCyMH It gives me goosebumps. I just wanna murder the %+%@ out of this piece of *!%#. Throw his wife in jail too she harbored this pedophile for how many years?
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http://news.yahoo.com/jer...abc-news-topstories.html
I wonder how the mother of these victims feel. It's disgusting and I bet these types of things occurr at so many levels. It's a shame.
But this guy is disgusting, this is a tragedy for America. Penn State has lost its prestige. Gross.
Look out for people in your area. That's the best you folks can do.
I wonder how the mother of these victims feel. It's disgusting and I bet these types of things occurr at so many levels. It's a shame.
But this guy is disgusting, this is a tragedy for America. Penn State has lost its prestige. Gross.
Look out for people in your area. That's the best you folks can do.
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Speaking up isn't as easy, we would probably be just as confused or dazed if we encountered something like this, let alone what has been said. Come on now.
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GUNNA:
it bothers *edit* sickens me that all these folks who are supposed to be "authority figures" could allow children to be done this way. ALmost all of them are themselves parents.
I said something similar to this back when this all came up last year. Like, THESE ARE PARENTS!Joe Pa... was a DAD, man. Sure, he said he did what he thought he was supposed to do; said he told who he thought he was supposed to tell. But if his SON came through like "Ummmm, daddy, Jerry touched my privates in the shower today," NOOOO PART OF ME thinks he would have just been like "Well, guess I better tell the campus prez." I have to believe he would have gone BANANAS. And I echo that same sentiment towards all the parents who are 'just' guilty of going along with the cover up. "If that's your kid, you ok w/ being all hushmouth? $#!% no!!!"
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This man deserves the execution chair.
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DoubleJs07:
Sandusky supporter: "When everyone was persecuting Jesus, someone had to stand with him. Jerry is huggy .. a saint." http://yhoo.it/L7DeQq
Sandusky supporter: "as a mother you realize boys are nudists and I think football coaches, theyre always hanging out" http://yhoo.it/L7DeQq
Get ALL THE WAY the %**@ outta here, man.Bringing up JESUS CHRIST?!?!? And then "Boys just like to be naked"?!?! THIS... is real life?!
I want off this planet.
No joke, that same phrase popped into my head reading those quotes. There are some sick @%#@!+$ people out there but to hear excuses being made and people actually supporting this person, especially with all the facts being bled all over the courtroom and hearing the testimony of those men...I can't even begin to describe how much anger that fills me with.
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That pic of him shrugging with a smile is #*%#+#@ weird
I hope the people who enabled the man get exposed severely, they are no better than the man who committed the crimes himself
I hope the people who enabled the man get exposed severely, they are no better than the man who committed the crimes himself
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Testimony at Sandusky trial shows missed chances
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM
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The eyewitness testimony that confronted jurors in Jerry Sandusky's child-molestation trial this week was disturbing not only for its graphic descriptions of sex with boys, but for what it said about the people who surrounded and maybe even protected the once-revered Penn State assistant coach.
Eight accusers took the witness stand and described how Sandusky molested them in campus showers, hotel bathrooms, a basement bedroom, a sauna used by the football team - right under the noses of his friends, colleagues, family members and acquaintances.
The Sandusky story, the way authorities have framed it, is one littered with missed chances to stop a rapist who preyed on children for years.
Prosecutors have hinted that top university officials knew far more about Sandusky's alleged proclivities than they have let on, submitting a document Monday that says Penn State's former vice president - himself facing charges related to the scandal - maintained a file on Sandusky a decade ago. A Penn State trustee told The Associated Press he now suspects a cover-up.
Yet evidence and testimony from the trial also show there were plenty of people, not just those at the highest levels of the university, who had ample opportunity to stop a man accused of violating 10 boys over 15 years:
- A janitor failed to tell authorities he allegedly caught Sandusky performing oral sex on a boy in a campus shower a dozen years ago.
- A district attorney with a reputation for prosecuting cases involving children and sexual abuse victims declined to charge Sandusky over a 1998 molestation allegation even though the detective who investigated thought it was a solid case. The DA, Ray Gricar, disappeared in 2005 and was declared legally dead last year.
- School district officials were skeptical of abuse claims brought by the young man known in court papers as Victim 1 because, the accuser testified, Sandusky was considered to have a "heart of gold." Victim 1's allegations eventually triggered the state investigation that produced charges.
- One accuser testified he screamed out for help at least once when Sandusky's wife, Dottie, was in the house. He doesn't know whether she heard his cries.
- And, famously, coaching assistant Mike McQueary saw Sandusky having what he believed to be anal sex with a young boy in 2001. But his report to Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz went nowhere. McQueary's dad testified that during a conversation, Schultz said he was suspicious of Sandusky, and NBC reported this week that emails between former university President Graham Spanier and Schultz aiming to keep McQueary's allegation from going further were turned over to the attorney general.
-Others also saw Sandusky engaging in behavior that was at least odd, if not criminal. Longtime assistant coach Tom Bradley walked into the shower when one boy was with Sandusky, the accuser testified, and a wrestling coach told jurors he saw Sandusky and a child rolling on the floor.
- Several accusers said their parents or caregivers failed to grasp what was happening to them. Victim 4 testified that one weekend he did not want to go with Sandusky and told his mother, "I'm pretty sure he's gay," but she dismissed the idea. "She said, oh, whatever, this is just one of your lies," he told jurors. He also said at one point he told his grandmother to tell Sandusky he wasn't home when he called.
Victim 1 testified that when he asked his mother about "a website for people who do things to children," and she asked why, he said it was "to see if Jerry was on there." He said he didn't think she totally understood. And Victim 9 told jurors he described Sandusky to his mother as "a touchy-feely type of a person," but she pressured him to spend time with the former coach.
Keith Masser, a Penn State trustee, said in an interview that he initially thought the scandal was about a failure of administrative oversight of the football program. Now he suspects it goes deeper.
When the board of trustees ousted Spanier on Nov. 9, four days after Sandusky's arrest, it was "because we didn't have confidence in his ability to lead us through this crisis," Masser said. "We had no idea (at the time) he would be involved in a cover-up."
Masser stressed he was speaking for himself and not the board at large, and said he wants to be careful not to draw premature conclusions. But he said it now appears like "top administration officials and top athletic officials were involved in making the decision to not inform the proper authorities."
With prosecutors focused on the sex-abuse allegations against Sandusky, the trial isn't intended to yield evidence of a possible cover-up. That's the job of Louis Freeh, the former FBI director hired by the board of trustees to investigate the scandal. His report could be released in late summer.
Spanier, who has not been charged with any crime, did not respond to email and phone messages. His attorney did not return a phone call.
The law firm defending Curley and Schultz against charges they lied in their grand jury testimony and failed to report suspect abuse said in a statement this week they "conscientiously considered" McQueary's account and "deliberated about how to responsibly deal with the conduct and handle the situation properly." They did not respond to follow-up questions posed by the AP.
Masser said the Freeh investigation is helping Penn State get to the bottom of the scandal.
"I hope the truth comes out, and from a board standpoint it was Judge Freeh's investigation that found these emails that relate Spanier, Curley and Schultz to the suspected cover-up," he said. "I want the alumni to understand and the stakeholders to understand that this independent investigation is uncovering this information."
Sandusky was charged in November and December with more than 50 counts of abuse. The scandal brought disgrace to Penn State and led to the ousters of both Spanier and Paterno, the Hall of Fame coach who died in January at age 85.
The testimony of eight of the 10 alleged victims named in a grand jury report prompted disgust and revulsion from Penn State alumni and others who took to Twitter last week to express their dismay - and to call for the heads of anyone involved in concealing abuse. "Anyone who knew and didn't report should burn!" tweeted one.
The grim depictions of abuse also hit at least one former player hard.
The accuser known as Victim 4 told jurors that Sandusky let him wear star linebacker LaVar Arrington's jersey and gave him a magazine autographed by the former NFL All-Pro, who played at Penn State in the late 1990s.
Arrington apologized to the man a day after his testimony, writing in The Washington Post that he felt awful for having missed the warning signs.
"He always seemed mad or kind of distant. I remember distinctly asking him: `Why are you always walking around all mad, like a tough guy?'" Arrington wrote. "I guess with everything that I had going on, it certainly wasn't a priority for me to try to figure him out."
Arrington continued, "I hate everything that has happened, and now I must admit I feel even worse, knowing what allegedly was happening so close to me, and that I was unaware."
Ann Tenbrunsel, a professor of business ethics at the University of Notre Dame, attributes the failure to stop Sandusky to a phenomenon she calls "motivated blindness," a tendency, whether subconscious or deliberate or sometimes both, to ignore unethical or even criminal behavior by others when you perceive it to be in your best interest to do so. Motivated blindness "means I don't probe, I don't ask, I don't believe," Tenbrunsel said. "I have evidence in front of me but choose to disregard facts."
Some people could have kept quiet about their suspicions because they wanted to protect Penn State and its beloved - and highly lucrative - football program, or their own jobs, she said. Others might not have wanted to believe the sainted Sandusky capable of the abuse he's now charged with.
"You have all kinds of examples of people who either did not notice, or when they did notice didn't engage in behaviors that would have stopped it because it wasn't in their best interests to do so," said Tenbrunsel, co-author of "Blind Spots," a book that explores why otherwise decent people sometimes fail to do the right thing.
Some of the alleged assaults appear to have been interrupted, if unwittingly. One young man said Sandusky coerced him into engaging in oral sex in a hotel bathroom in Texas around the time of the 1999 Alamo Bowl - Sandusky's last game before retiring - stopping only when the coach's wife entered the hotel room. The same accuser, Victim 4, testified about another occasion in which Bradley was showering in the team headquarters while the alleged victim and Sandusky were behind a curtain in another stall.
"I can't say what (Bradley's) thoughts were, but I think he was suspicious of something because he stayed in the shower until everything was done," the man testified without elaborating.
Bradley did not return several messages from The Associated Press.
A wrestling coach told jurors that he found Victim 1 and Sandusky rolling around on the floor in the high school weight room one evening.
Joseph Miller said that while he found it odd, he gave the famed coach a pass. "It was Jerry. Jerry Sandusky. He's a saint. What he's doing with kids, it's fantastic," Miller recalled thinking. "So I didn't think anything of it."
The trial is scheduled to enter its fifth day Monday as prosecutors near the end of their case. Sandusky denies all the charges, saying that while he showered with boys, he never touched them sexually. His attorney has suggested the accusers are twisting the truth because they intend to sue.
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM
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The eyewitness testimony that confronted jurors in Jerry Sandusky's child-molestation trial this week was disturbing not only for its graphic descriptions of sex with boys, but for what it said about the people who surrounded and maybe even protected the once-revered Penn State assistant coach.
Eight accusers took the witness stand and described how Sandusky molested them in campus showers, hotel bathrooms, a basement bedroom, a sauna used by the football team - right under the noses of his friends, colleagues, family members and acquaintances.
The Sandusky story, the way authorities have framed it, is one littered with missed chances to stop a rapist who preyed on children for years.
Prosecutors have hinted that top university officials knew far more about Sandusky's alleged proclivities than they have let on, submitting a document Monday that says Penn State's former vice president - himself facing charges related to the scandal - maintained a file on Sandusky a decade ago. A Penn State trustee told The Associated Press he now suspects a cover-up.
Yet evidence and testimony from the trial also show there were plenty of people, not just those at the highest levels of the university, who had ample opportunity to stop a man accused of violating 10 boys over 15 years:
- A janitor failed to tell authorities he allegedly caught Sandusky performing oral sex on a boy in a campus shower a dozen years ago.
- A district attorney with a reputation for prosecuting cases involving children and sexual abuse victims declined to charge Sandusky over a 1998 molestation allegation even though the detective who investigated thought it was a solid case. The DA, Ray Gricar, disappeared in 2005 and was declared legally dead last year.
- School district officials were skeptical of abuse claims brought by the young man known in court papers as Victim 1 because, the accuser testified, Sandusky was considered to have a "heart of gold." Victim 1's allegations eventually triggered the state investigation that produced charges.
- One accuser testified he screamed out for help at least once when Sandusky's wife, Dottie, was in the house. He doesn't know whether she heard his cries.
- And, famously, coaching assistant Mike McQueary saw Sandusky having what he believed to be anal sex with a young boy in 2001. But his report to Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz went nowhere. McQueary's dad testified that during a conversation, Schultz said he was suspicious of Sandusky, and NBC reported this week that emails between former university President Graham Spanier and Schultz aiming to keep McQueary's allegation from going further were turned over to the attorney general.
-Others also saw Sandusky engaging in behavior that was at least odd, if not criminal. Longtime assistant coach Tom Bradley walked into the shower when one boy was with Sandusky, the accuser testified, and a wrestling coach told jurors he saw Sandusky and a child rolling on the floor.
- Several accusers said their parents or caregivers failed to grasp what was happening to them. Victim 4 testified that one weekend he did not want to go with Sandusky and told his mother, "I'm pretty sure he's gay," but she dismissed the idea. "She said, oh, whatever, this is just one of your lies," he told jurors. He also said at one point he told his grandmother to tell Sandusky he wasn't home when he called.
Victim 1 testified that when he asked his mother about "a website for people who do things to children," and she asked why, he said it was "to see if Jerry was on there." He said he didn't think she totally understood. And Victim 9 told jurors he described Sandusky to his mother as "a touchy-feely type of a person," but she pressured him to spend time with the former coach.
Keith Masser, a Penn State trustee, said in an interview that he initially thought the scandal was about a failure of administrative oversight of the football program. Now he suspects it goes deeper.
When the board of trustees ousted Spanier on Nov. 9, four days after Sandusky's arrest, it was "because we didn't have confidence in his ability to lead us through this crisis," Masser said. "We had no idea (at the time) he would be involved in a cover-up."
Masser stressed he was speaking for himself and not the board at large, and said he wants to be careful not to draw premature conclusions. But he said it now appears like "top administration officials and top athletic officials were involved in making the decision to not inform the proper authorities."
With prosecutors focused on the sex-abuse allegations against Sandusky, the trial isn't intended to yield evidence of a possible cover-up. That's the job of Louis Freeh, the former FBI director hired by the board of trustees to investigate the scandal. His report could be released in late summer.
Spanier, who has not been charged with any crime, did not respond to email and phone messages. His attorney did not return a phone call.
The law firm defending Curley and Schultz against charges they lied in their grand jury testimony and failed to report suspect abuse said in a statement this week they "conscientiously considered" McQueary's account and "deliberated about how to responsibly deal with the conduct and handle the situation properly." They did not respond to follow-up questions posed by the AP.
Masser said the Freeh investigation is helping Penn State get to the bottom of the scandal.
"I hope the truth comes out, and from a board standpoint it was Judge Freeh's investigation that found these emails that relate Spanier, Curley and Schultz to the suspected cover-up," he said. "I want the alumni to understand and the stakeholders to understand that this independent investigation is uncovering this information."
Sandusky was charged in November and December with more than 50 counts of abuse. The scandal brought disgrace to Penn State and led to the ousters of both Spanier and Paterno, the Hall of Fame coach who died in January at age 85.
The testimony of eight of the 10 alleged victims named in a grand jury report prompted disgust and revulsion from Penn State alumni and others who took to Twitter last week to express their dismay - and to call for the heads of anyone involved in concealing abuse. "Anyone who knew and didn't report should burn!" tweeted one.
The grim depictions of abuse also hit at least one former player hard.
The accuser known as Victim 4 told jurors that Sandusky let him wear star linebacker LaVar Arrington's jersey and gave him a magazine autographed by the former NFL All-Pro, who played at Penn State in the late 1990s.
Arrington apologized to the man a day after his testimony, writing in The Washington Post that he felt awful for having missed the warning signs.
"He always seemed mad or kind of distant. I remember distinctly asking him: `Why are you always walking around all mad, like a tough guy?'" Arrington wrote. "I guess with everything that I had going on, it certainly wasn't a priority for me to try to figure him out."
Arrington continued, "I hate everything that has happened, and now I must admit I feel even worse, knowing what allegedly was happening so close to me, and that I was unaware."
Ann Tenbrunsel, a professor of business ethics at the University of Notre Dame, attributes the failure to stop Sandusky to a phenomenon she calls "motivated blindness," a tendency, whether subconscious or deliberate or sometimes both, to ignore unethical or even criminal behavior by others when you perceive it to be in your best interest to do so. Motivated blindness "means I don't probe, I don't ask, I don't believe," Tenbrunsel said. "I have evidence in front of me but choose to disregard facts."
Some people could have kept quiet about their suspicions because they wanted to protect Penn State and its beloved - and highly lucrative - football program, or their own jobs, she said. Others might not have wanted to believe the sainted Sandusky capable of the abuse he's now charged with.
"You have all kinds of examples of people who either did not notice, or when they did notice didn't engage in behaviors that would have stopped it because it wasn't in their best interests to do so," said Tenbrunsel, co-author of "Blind Spots," a book that explores why otherwise decent people sometimes fail to do the right thing.
Some of the alleged assaults appear to have been interrupted, if unwittingly. One young man said Sandusky coerced him into engaging in oral sex in a hotel bathroom in Texas around the time of the 1999 Alamo Bowl - Sandusky's last game before retiring - stopping only when the coach's wife entered the hotel room. The same accuser, Victim 4, testified about another occasion in which Bradley was showering in the team headquarters while the alleged victim and Sandusky were behind a curtain in another stall.
"I can't say what (Bradley's) thoughts were, but I think he was suspicious of something because he stayed in the shower until everything was done," the man testified without elaborating.
Bradley did not return several messages from The Associated Press.
A wrestling coach told jurors that he found Victim 1 and Sandusky rolling around on the floor in the high school weight room one evening.
Joseph Miller said that while he found it odd, he gave the famed coach a pass. "It was Jerry. Jerry Sandusky. He's a saint. What he's doing with kids, it's fantastic," Miller recalled thinking. "So I didn't think anything of it."
The trial is scheduled to enter its fifth day Monday as prosecutors near the end of their case. Sandusky denies all the charges, saying that while he showered with boys, he never touched them sexually. His attorney has suggested the accusers are twisting the truth because they intend to sue.
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Ugh, not this thread. SMH, just put him in jail already
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Just heard some of the details of what went down. Damn near changed the channel. Life in prison. No ifs and or buts about it.
How do you cover this up for so long?
How do you cover this up for so long?
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The two unknown victims raises a scary thought.
These were situations that were only known about because he got caught in the act. They both happened in the same place around the same time of the night. The first was what the janitor saw and second is what McQreary saw. Both victims could not be tracked down.
If Sandusky was careful not to get caught when he did this, but he ended up getting caught twice, my guess is that there were probably A LOT more times when he took boys into that shower to rape them and didn't get caught. He had access to hundreds of kids who come from broken homes. Most of the known victims were ones he knew over a period of time. But what's to say he didn't grab any random kid from Second Mile on any given day and took them into those showers? There could be A LOT of "unknowns" out there that this happened to that we will never know about. Maybe they tried to say something but were ignore. Maybe they were just afraid and confused and kept it to themselves. Maybe they're watching all this unfold on the news but have since moved on and choose not to say anything in order not to ruin their current lives.
Sandusky was a predator of the highest degree.
These were situations that were only known about because he got caught in the act. They both happened in the same place around the same time of the night. The first was what the janitor saw and second is what McQreary saw. Both victims could not be tracked down.
If Sandusky was careful not to get caught when he did this, but he ended up getting caught twice, my guess is that there were probably A LOT more times when he took boys into that shower to rape them and didn't get caught. He had access to hundreds of kids who come from broken homes. Most of the known victims were ones he knew over a period of time. But what's to say he didn't grab any random kid from Second Mile on any given day and took them into those showers? There could be A LOT of "unknowns" out there that this happened to that we will never know about. Maybe they tried to say something but were ignore. Maybe they were just afraid and confused and kept it to themselves. Maybe they're watching all this unfold on the news but have since moved on and choose not to say anything in order not to ruin their current lives.
Sandusky was a predator of the highest degree.
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I think you're 100% right. My guess is that we're only hearing about a small faction of victims of Sandusky. There are probably many others out there who don't have the courage to step forward. I'm sure a lot of the other victims are working 9-5s, and carrying on as "normal" of a life as you can imagine. Except for the fact that there is a horrible secret that they are hiding.
Such a sad situation all around
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another said note was how paterno's legacy was severly damaged due to PSU's board members trying to cover this up.
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I hope you are Joking.
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Good read
Man the !@+# is going to really hit the fan, when Freeh finishes his investigation.