Originally Posted by l Knicks Fresh Knick l
Originally Posted by l Knicks Fresh Knick l
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Originally Posted by donjuan513
Flamingos aren't that bad on the foot.
Originally Posted by donjuan513
Flamingos aren't that bad on the foot.
Originally Posted by NikeDealer
Man... go away for a few days and come back and.....
HOLY MACKEREL!!!!!!! S done hit the fan.....
Ty should have put a disclaimer: "Don't shoot the messenger"
I HAVE to play devils advocate on this situation, as I agree in theory with ALOT that's wrong with the Line.... but know alot that goes on business wise... and def. dont agree with it. Also, you guys have to understand.... JP is one of VERY few who actually OPENLY came on this site to respond to critics and answer questions in ALL over Beaverton Oregon.
I've said it once and will repeat. It is HIGHLY HIGHLY frowned upon to come onto Niketalk and speak or release information as YOURSELF. But just know when you walk around the Jerry Rice, Mia Hamm and every other building on campus there are alot of computer screens both MAC and PC with Black and Red on it looking at feedback...
From Jordan to Nike to Converse designers, PLMs and Marketing dudes come to see feedback to information either THEY leaked or had someone else leak here on Niketalk. Not the other commercial sneaker site... THIS ONE.
Its weird that some will say that NT does not reflect the demo that they are targeting and for inline stuff it's true to an extent. HOWEVA....when it comes to Energy i.e. QS or HOH types of releases NT is the ONLY Demo they target.
I strongly believe HOH's were built solely to cater to the sneaker enthusiast and hypebeasts alike. I believe they too failed miserably in that effort. As a dude who has/had access to some of the good stuff, I still got frustrated for my NT bredren, because we are the one's who carry the hype and expand the hype for a limited shoe.
We should be aptly rewarded.... but on the other side of that you have JP who since BEFORE being on the Lebron Line has constantly fought the good fight for trying to get certain colorways to retail in SOME capacity. It hasn't gotten ANY easier since being on the Lebron line.
Marketing is separate from design. Decisions are made sometimes in a vacuum. Basically JP has to sell the idea of why a certain colorway will do well to Marketing.
This of it this way. You are working at Toy Factory and you have kids and you design the Toys. You know what kids will like... you know that you know. You were a kid once and had toys left and right.
But another person in the company.. not YOUR boss but another person in another section of the company's boss is deciding what Toys will go to retail. He has NO kids... and grew up in an orphanage with no toys his damn self.
Well how can THAT person tell you whats best, when all they know is a class they took on toy making and got a degree in it? Well thats basically what you are dealing with when it comes to Nike.
No idea is a good one unless it's the person who's in charge's idea... or they decide to make it their idea. Yes it sounds easy... Put this color out put that one out for mass comsumption.. but from a business standpoint it aint all that easy when the person making the decision isn't that saavy in what an ACTUAL Shoe head wants.
Everyone working at Nike aint a Shoe head and look at things from a COMPLETELY different angle. Giving Lebron the power to decide what CAN and CAN NOT come out I agree is wrong and the worst for us.... but thats just HALF the problem. TRUST ME on that one.
JP is prolly the only dude we got on the inside fighting the good fight and when the anger arises it's def misplaced going towards him on what colors release.
When you all knew Gentry was solely responsible for the colors released on the Jordan side his head was constantly on a platter... and he's GONE and still gets blamed for the crap that releases!!! lol
When you all get the name responsible in Nike Basketball... place that anger there. Hell I cant be angry at Ty... at least he's giving ya'll something... when no one answers questions people get just as heated.
Imagine if Ty never posted the kicks.. half of ya'll wou;dn't know what you were missing to be upset in the first place. Just sayin....
*puts flame suit on*
It's NT after all....
Originally Posted by NikeDealer
Man... go away for a few days and come back and.....
HOLY MACKEREL!!!!!!! S done hit the fan.....
Ty should have put a disclaimer: "Don't shoot the messenger"
I HAVE to play devils advocate on this situation, as I agree in theory with ALOT that's wrong with the Line.... but know alot that goes on business wise... and def. dont agree with it. Also, you guys have to understand.... JP is one of VERY few who actually OPENLY came on this site to respond to critics and answer questions in ALL over Beaverton Oregon.
I've said it once and will repeat. It is HIGHLY HIGHLY frowned upon to come onto Niketalk and speak or release information as YOURSELF. But just know when you walk around the Jerry Rice, Mia Hamm and every other building on campus there are alot of computer screens both MAC and PC with Black and Red on it looking at feedback...
From Jordan to Nike to Converse designers, PLMs and Marketing dudes come to see feedback to information either THEY leaked or had someone else leak here on Niketalk. Not the other commercial sneaker site... THIS ONE.
Its weird that some will say that NT does not reflect the demo that they are targeting and for inline stuff it's true to an extent. HOWEVA....when it comes to Energy i.e. QS or HOH types of releases NT is the ONLY Demo they target.
I strongly believe HOH's were built solely to cater to the sneaker enthusiast and hypebeasts alike. I believe they too failed miserably in that effort. As a dude who has/had access to some of the good stuff, I still got frustrated for my NT bredren, because we are the one's who carry the hype and expand the hype for a limited shoe.
We should be aptly rewarded.... but on the other side of that you have JP who since BEFORE being on the Lebron Line has constantly fought the good fight for trying to get certain colorways to retail in SOME capacity. It hasn't gotten ANY easier since being on the Lebron line.
Marketing is separate from design. Decisions are made sometimes in a vacuum. Basically JP has to sell the idea of why a certain colorway will do well to Marketing.
This of it this way. You are working at Toy Factory and you have kids and you design the Toys. You know what kids will like... you know that you know. You were a kid once and had toys left and right.
But another person in the company.. not YOUR boss but another person in another section of the company's boss is deciding what Toys will go to retail. He has NO kids... and grew up in an orphanage with no toys his damn self.
Well how can THAT person tell you whats best, when all they know is a class they took on toy making and got a degree in it? Well thats basically what you are dealing with when it comes to Nike.
No idea is a good one unless it's the person who's in charge's idea... or they decide to make it their idea. Yes it sounds easy... Put this color out put that one out for mass comsumption.. but from a business standpoint it aint all that easy when the person making the decision isn't that saavy in what an ACTUAL Shoe head wants.
Everyone working at Nike aint a Shoe head and look at things from a COMPLETELY different angle. Giving Lebron the power to decide what CAN and CAN NOT come out I agree is wrong and the worst for us.... but thats just HALF the problem. TRUST ME on that one.
JP is prolly the only dude we got on the inside fighting the good fight and when the anger arises it's def misplaced going towards him on what colors release.
When you all knew Gentry was solely responsible for the colors released on the Jordan side his head was constantly on a platter... and he's GONE and still gets blamed for the crap that releases!!! lol
When you all get the name responsible in Nike Basketball... place that anger there. Hell I cant be angry at Ty... at least he's giving ya'll something... when no one answers questions people get just as heated.
Imagine if Ty never posted the kicks.. half of ya'll wou;dn't know what you were missing to be upset in the first place. Just sayin....
*puts flame suit on*
It's NT after all....
