Uber Driver killed by 13 and 15 yr old in DC

[DCAllAfrican]

finessence

Do you feel popular media has any influence over children?

If so, to what extent.

 

[WASHED KING]

Little white suburban kids listen to drill music too.

 

[finessence]

finessence

Do you feel popular media has any influence over children?

If so, to what extent.

I never said it didn’t. I just said we need stop blaming hip hop for everything. I guess parents can’t be held accountable.

Like I said, I’ve literally seen parents not monitor what their kids intake via social media and entertainment.

Give them a tablet, phone, and let them do whatever they want without any type of guidance.

I just have always hated the narrative that rap music is the problem in America.

 

[Present]

I never said it didn’t. I just said we need stop blaming hip hop for everything. I guess parents can’t be held accountable.

Like I said, I’ve literally seen parents not monitor what their kids intake via social media and entertainment.

Give them a tablet, phone, and let them do whatever they want without any type of guidance.

I just have always hated the narrative that rap music is the problem in America.

Black folks don't (and never did) control our own image in US media…started way back with Minstrel Shows and continues today.

More than one thing can be true at the same time.

Lyor Cowen said it best. "Who is Dame Dash?"

 

[Belgium]

The 'hiphop causes ...' arguments sound an awful lot like the old 'videogames cause violence' nonsense.
Every form of media can have some degree of influence but that's where parenting comes in. If anything, I think social media influencers are more likely to have a substantial impact on views or behavior. Someone like Andrew Tate for example. Music, tv or videogames have an extra barrier of being 'entertainment' that an influencer doesn't necessarily have.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

finessence

I don't think Umar (or anyone else) has said the media was the only reason that certain people act the way they do. It is just an influencer/modifier. There are plenty of other issues that have existed long before popular music depicted us the way it has since the late 80s.

 

[finessence]

Black folks don't (and never did) control our own image in US media…started way back with Minstrel Shows and continues today.

More than one thing can be true at the same time.

Lyor Cowen said it best. "Who is Dame Dash?"

As long as we (black folks and hip hop historians) care, who cares about Lyor Cohens opinion? Dame did more for hip hop than Lyor ever could.

Lyor was just in the right place, at the right time. His Def Jam affiliation fell into his lap. He doesn’t care about hip hop. His family gained wealth off black people so he should be grateful.

We’re the only culture that disrespects our own. Of course Lyor don’t like Dame because dame knew Lyor was a sucker. I’ll always side with dame.

You think the MLB or NFL would let their greats like Babe Ruth or Tom Brady be disrespected? I would never care about Lyors opinion of dame….

He can just push buttons, sit back and be affiliated. I don’t need any commentary from Lyor. He’s irrelevant to me besides cutting checks and marketing. He’s not one of us.

 

[tomdiginson]

The 'hiphop causes ...' arguments sound an awful lot like the old 'videogames cause violence' nonsense.
Every form of media can have some degree of influence but that's where parenting comes in. If anything, I think social media influencers are more likely to have a substantial impact on views or behavior. Someone like Andrew Tate for example. Music, tv or videogames have an extra barrier of being 'entertainment' that an influencer doesn't necessarily have.

You don't think an excessive indulgence in violent video games can help desensitize people when it comes to violence? You'd be lying if you don't think excessive violent music won't do the same.

 

[Present]

He can just push buttons, sit back and be affiliated. I don’t need any commentary from Lyor. He’s irrelevant to me besides cutting checks and marketing. He’s not one of us.

 

[WASHED KING]

How about we take it back and ask why we have black people in the ghettos that the music came from and how they got there?

I’m surely we don’t have ghettos full of black people in every major city in America right? That can’t be a possibility.

 

[Present]

How about we take it back and ask why we have black people in the ghettos that the music came from and how they got there?

I’m surely we don’t have ghettos full of black people in every major city in America right? That can’t be a possibility.

The origins of Hip Hop / Rap had NOTHING to do with what we have today.

People were expressing Love, Peace, Unity, and having fun...



It all changed once the "check writers" showed up.

 

[WASHED KING]

The origins of Hip Hop / Rap had NOTHING to do with what we have today.

People were expressing Love, Peace, Unity, and having fun...



It all changed once the "check writers" showed up.

Yeah it had nothing to do with Ronald Reagan dropping crack in our community’s.

 

[deuce king]

We live in a world where people blame the entertainers who, instead of the companies who are actually manufacturing guns and ammunition. The engineers, etc.

Mikhail Kalashnikov is seen as a ICON for inventing the AK-47 (which he regretted inventing) but yeah, hip hip is to blame for our ills.

AK-47 inventor Mikhail Kalashnikov regrets creating weapon

Mikhail Kalashnikov, the man who invented the iconic AK-47 automatic rifle, wrote of his regret at creating the weapon.

www.abc.net.au

Name ONE gun manufacturer in the hood…. I f*** with Umar but I disagree. Rap has been around 40 years.

Gunplay been going on worldwide for hundreds of years. America had guns before rap, and will ALWAYS be a gun crazed nation.

My mom let me listen to rap as baby, as a youngster. But she ALWAYS taught me about the entertainment industry and the fact that it’s ENTERTAINMENT.

I agree with him about parents not monitoring their kids. Those YouTubers, influencers, podcasters, etc be equally if not WORSE than the musicians.

All social media is a cesspool. A kid can go on any social media network this instant and fine pornographic imagery. Whether it’s Twitter or Facebook. Not to mention all the sexual content on YouTube.

It’s a HUMAN issue. You can’t blame hip hop.

The Nino Brown “ain’t no uzis made in Harlem” line doesn’t fly in court champ. I hear what you are trying to say but as it pertains to US and US only our kids are being mentally destroyed by the music of today.

Rap music is a lot different from when you and I were growing up. Not to mention be it a 2 parent household or a 1 parent household we had parents that were involved in our lives. The parent/parents of today simply aren’t. The music that is being made, produced and marketed to our children is kill this, shot him, and slaughter this person and everyone else in the block. That is what these kids are doing today.

 

[finessence]

The origins of Hip Hop / Rap had NOTHING to do with what we have today.

People were expressing Love, Peace, Unity, and having fun...



It all changed once the "check writers" showed up.

…. Not to mention the stuff that hip hop SAMPLED was R&B songs that displayed love, unity, dancing, etc.

It’s ironic how a lot of new aged black folks detest R&B and love songs but those same love songs created the backdrop.

James Brown, the Delfonics, Harold Melvin, Earth Wind And Fire, etc. alllll their songs were about love or uplifting, without those melodies and REAL instruments, there is no hip hop.

 

[Present]

Yeah it had nothing to do with Ronald Reagan dropping crack in our community’s.

Whole other level of evil Fam.

 

[finessence]

The Nino Brown “ain’t no uzis made in Harlem” line doesn’t fly in court champ. I hear what you are trying to say but as it pertains to US and US only our kids are being mentally destroyed by the music of today.

Rap music is a lot different from when you and I were growing up. Not to mention be it a 2 parent household or a 1 parent household we had parents that were involved in our lives. The parent/parents of today simply aren’t. The music that is being made, produced and marketed to our children is kill this, shot him, and slaughter this person and everyone else in the block. That is what these kids are doing today.

that ain’t hip hop fault. Blame the parents and FANS who lost sight and champion the ignorant music.

There are other genres of music. No one is putting a gun to peoples head and forcing them to listen to rap. That’s a personal problem. Either be a hands on parents or face the consequences.

Again, the entertainers get blamed more than the fans who actually prefer the violent songs.

You got people who call J.Cole, Wale, etc boring or not street enough… so why waste time trying to please these people?

 

[Present]

Little white suburban kids listen to drill music too.

Depending on how much money their family has - it usually goes something like this...

 

[finessence]

Yeah it had nothing to do with Ronald Reagan dropping crack in our community’s.

You forgot about alcohol too, right? Alcohol has destroyed more families than any drug has and it’s actually PROMOTED.

People look at you crazy if you say you don’t drink…

Heroin and cocaine were here way before crack, people were junkies before hip hop….

Lastly look at the weed usage today.

 

[gry60]

This is what it has come to……..grown men making EXCUSES………rather EXPLANATIONS…LOL.

Excuses deny responsibility. Explanations allow for responsibility to be acknowledged, and the situation to be explored and understood. Excuses come from feelings of defensiveness that pop up when someone is feeling attacked. Explanations occur when someone wants to be understood.

There.

I did the research for you since you're too lazy to look up the difference between these two words.

That's where his argument really breaks down the most for me...

Name a time in history when Black Men were a part of "da Patriarchy" in the United States.

The majority of white men aint even part of "da Patriarchy".

"Da Patriarchy" had poor broke white men killing each other so rich folks could screw us all over (Civil War).

Poor white men were as invested in slavery and white supremacy as rich white folks. Otherwise, the socioeconomic structure of the South wouldn't have lasted that long.

They had to join southern militias and slave patrols as soon as they turned 18. Enforcing the way of life of the Antebellum South is where the jobs were for poor white southerners, because everything else was done with "free" labor, from cooking, to working the fields, to ranching, to making clothes, and any other potentially wage-generating task you could think of.

 

[WASHED KING]

You forgot about alcohol too, right? Alcohol has destroyed more families than any drug has and it’s actually PROMOTED.

People look at you crazy if you say you don’t drink…

Heroin and cocaine were here way before crack, people were junkies before hip hop….

Lastly look at the weed usage today.

This isn’t wrong either. You can get a 40oz and a happy meal in the hood easier than you can get an apple or a library card.

 

[Present]

Poor white men were as invested in slavery and white supremacy as rich white folks. Otherwise, the socioeconomic structure of the South wouldn't have lasted that long.

They had to join southern militias and slave patrols as soon as they turned 18. Enforcing the way of life of the Antebellum South is where the jobs were for poor white southerners, because everything else was done with "free" labor, from cooking, to working the fields, to ranching, to making clothes, and any other potentially wage-generating task you could think of.

Eh...you ain't lying however it goes MUCH deeper than that.

My argument isn't that poor white folk wasn't "invested", my argument is that poor white folks didn't have the power to make the rules in the first place.

Once the rules were set by the rich and powerful...



You can check the numbers here:

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1830/1830b.pdf

 

[deuce king]

that ain’t hip hop fault. Blame the parents and FANS who lost sight and champion the ignorant music.

There are other genres of music. No one is putting a gun to peoples head and forcing them to listen to rap. That’s a personal problem. Either be a hands on parents or face the consequences.

Again, the entertainers get blamed more than the fans who actually prefer the violent songs.

You got people who call J.Cole, Wale, etc boring or not street enough… so why waste time trying to please these people?

Oh I definitely blame the parents…….rather parent. I’m one of the few people that wants to hold the parent responsible and accountable if a child under a certain age commits a felony. Lock up the kid….and the parent as well since they can’t control their child.

Also, my point of rap music is that’s it’s different from today than when you and I grew up. The music of today helped influence a one way ticket to jail for the kids.

 

[gry60]

Eh...you ain't lying however it goes MUCH deeper than that.

My argument isn't that poor white folk wasn't "invested", my argument is that poor white folks didn't have the power to make the rules in the first place.

Once the rules were set by the rich and powerful...



You can check the numbers here:

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1830/1830b.pdf

So, Black kids who live without (money, parental support, safety, etc...) and who didn't make the rules of living in such conditions deserve to be blamed for living by the rules of their environment, but all the folks who lived off the socioeconomic rules of slavery are not deserving of a blanket blame because they didn't make those rules.

It's 2 weights and 2 measures in here...

 

[Present]

So, Black kids who live without (money, parental support, safety, etc...) and who didn't make the rules of living in such conditions deserve to be blamed for living by the rules of their environment, but all the folks who lived off the socioeconomic rules of slavery are not deserving of a blanket blame because they didn't make those rules.

It's 2 weights and 2 measures in here...

I don't get it.

Say what now?

Is this one of those "So what you're saying is" deals?

 

[WASHED KING]

So, Black kids who live without (money, parental support, safety, etc...) and who didn't make the rules of living in such conditions deserve to be blamed for living by the rules of their environment, but all the folks who lived off the socioeconomic rules of slavery are not deserving of a blanket blame because they didn't make those rules.

It's 2 weights and 2 measures in here...

My grandmother can literally take me to the land her mother worked as a sharecropper on today. The land is still owned by the descendants of the same white family.

I’ve never seen so many black men cape for white people before this thread.