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Rashi please stop posting. 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered in cold blood? GTFOHWTBS
Close all US military bases? GTFOHWTBS it's not 1860
Seriously some of this ignorance in here is astounding
UN Security Council approves No Fly Zone in Libya Vol: Declaration of War
Rashi please stop posting. 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered in cold blood? GTFOHWTBS
Close all US military bases? GTFOHWTBS it's not 1860
Seriously some of this ignorance in here is astounding
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Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
This thread is about Libyans and you want to talk about Iraq? Way to go OFF TOPIC.Originally Posted by rashi
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Your posts are very amusing... and even though I enjoy snickering your typical and usual anti-American rants... give it a rest ok?
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Yet, you can't dispute what I'm saying. Instead you post a picture.
So I guess you are ok with the "liberation" of the Iraqis even though close to 1,000,000 civilians were murdered in cold blood? Or how about all the innocent children in Afghanistan?
Are youwith this?
Nothing like an all out war to "protect" civilians from bombs are dropping ontheir homes.
And yes I am ok with the liberation of Iraq... why? Here's a few pictures why...
Oh but lets not talk about the GOOD news lets concentrate on the bad things like...
"1,000,000 Civilians killed in Cold Blood"
What about the kids that Sadamm gassed?
Are youwith this?
Yeah, you're officially an idiot.
You know the U.S. government financed that, right?
Lets not choose sides this time.
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[h1]'655,000 Iraqis killed since invasion'[/h1]
- Sarah Boseley, health editor
- The Guardian, Wednesday 11 October 2006 16.14 BST
- Article history
The aftermath of a Baghdad bomb attack - a study published in the Lancet estimates that 655,000 Iraqis have died as a result of the war. Photograph: Getty Images
The death toll among Iraqis as a result of the US-led invasion has now reached an estimated 655,000, a study in the Lancet medical journal reports today.
The figure for the number of deaths attributable to the conflict - which amounts to around 2.5% of the population - is at odds with figures cited by the US and UK governments and will cause a storm, but the Lancet says the work, from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, has been examined and validated by four separate independent experts who all urged publication.
In October 2004, the same researchers published a study estimating that 100,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the war since the beginning of the March 2003 invasion, a figure that was hugely controversial. Their new study, they say, reaffirms the accuracy of their survey of two years ago and moves it on.
"Although such death rates might be common in times of war, the combination of a long duration and tens of millions of people affected has made this the deadliest international conflict of the 21st century and should be of grave concern to everyone," write the authors, Gilbert Burnham and colleagues.
"At the conclusion of our 2004 study we urged that an independent body assess the excess mortality that we saw in Iraq. This has not happened. We continue to believe that an independent international body to monitor compliance with the Geneva conventions and other humanitarian standards in conflict is urgently needed. With reliable data, those voices that speak out for civilians trapped in conflict might be able to lessen the tragic human cost of future wars."
The epidemiological research was carried out on the ground by teams of doctors moving from house to house, questioning families and examining death certificates. Between May and July this year, they visited 1,849 households in 47 separated clusters across the length and breadth of Iraq. The doctors asked about deaths among members of the household in a period before the invasion, from January 2002 to March 2003, and about deaths since. In 92% of cases, they were shown death certificates confirming the cause.
A total of 629 deaths were reported, of which 547 - or 87% - occurred after the invasion. The mortality rate before the war was 5.5 per 1,000, but since the invasion, it has risen to 13.3 per 1,000 per year, they say. Between June 2005 and June 2006, the mortality rate hit a high of 19.8 per 1,000.
Thus they calculate that 654,965 Iraqis have died as a consequence of the invasion. It is an estimate and the mid-point, and most likely of a range of numbers that could also be correct in the context of their statistical analysis. But even the lowest number in the range - 392,979 - is higher that anyone else has suggested. Of the deaths, 31% were ascribed to the US-led forces. Most deaths were from gunshot wounds (56%), with a further 13% from car bomb injuries and 14% the result of other explosions.
"Since 2004, and especially recently," writes the Lancet editor, Richard Horton in a commentary, "independent observers have recognised that the security situation in Iraq has deteriorated dramatically." The new study, he continues, "corroborate the impression that Iraq is descending into bloodthirsty chaos".
Yet, he writes, "absolute despair would be the wrong response. Instead, the disaster that is the west's current strategy in Iraq must be used as a constructive call to the international community to reconfigure its foreign policy around human security rather than national security, around health and wellbeing in addition to the protection of territorial boundaries and economic stability.
"Health is now the most important foreign policy issue of our time. Health and wellbeing - their underpinning values, their diverse array of interventions and their goals of healing - offer several original dimensions for a renewed foreign policy that might at least be one positive legacy of our misadventure in Iraq."
That's just in 3 years.
SunDOOBIE wrote on 8/7/2009:
102 US Soldiers killed since Obama become President is a FACT
Hundreds if not thousands of innocent victims continue to be killed in Afghanistan/Iraq due to Obama's policy of continuing Bush's wars inIraq/Afghanistan is a FACT
Funding of billions of US dollars continue in Iraq is a FACT( "We're spending $10 billion dollars a month in Iraq, at a time when the Iraqis have a$79 billion dollar surplus" Obama 10/7/0
Torture continues at Bagram Air Force Base is a FACT
9.4% jobless rate in July is a FACT
Spending billions of US treasury while the US Govt continues to borrow money and currently is in a deficit of 1.3 Trillion dollars is a FACT
Throwing out the Racism card every time someone criticizes Obama is an EXCUSE.
SunDOOBIE = Certified
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Why not just requote my post?
SunDOOBIE wrote on
08/07/09 1:16 PM:
102 US Soldiers killed since Obama become President is a FACT
Hundreds if not thousands of innocent victims continue to be killed in Afghanistan/Iraq due to Obama's policy of continuing Bush's wars in Iraq/Afghanistan is a FACT
Funding of billions of US dollars continue in Iraq is a FACT( "We're spending $10 billion dollars a month in Iraq, at a time when the Iraqis have a $79 billion dollar surplus" Obama 10/7/0
Torture continues at Bagram Air Force Base is a FACT
9.4% jobless rate in July is a FACT
Spending billions of US treasury while the US Govt continues to borrow money and currently is in a deficit of 1.3 Trillion dollars is a FACT
Throwing out the Racism card every time someone criticizes Obama is an EXCUSE.
Just because I am a disgruntled citizen that hates how the US continues to pour billions to Iraq/Afghanistan after the election of President Obama doesn't mean I am going to ignore the good what the US has done for Afghanistan/Iraq. Ever since 2001, I have openly criticized the US military occupation and waste the US govt has spent. Millions displaced. Dead Iraqis. Dead US Soldiers. on and on and on. Hell I am betting a good % of the 3,000+ posts I have made on NT since 2005 was to bash Bush and the foreign policy of the US.
So if you ask me today, March 18, 2011 was the price that was paid worth it to liberate Iraq? Well today my answer would be a Yes and No. After all is said and done how could I be against Iraqis living life without a dictator. But then again how can I be ok with how the US handled the exit strategy? How can I justify the Abu Ghraib tortures? There is no right or wrong answer. It is what it is and you can only think of the good instead of dwelling on all the mistakes the US has made there.
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awwww Rashi has reduced himself to an infant and started with the name calling. I am going to tell Meth...
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Just because I am a disgruntled citizen that hates how the US continues to pour billions to Iraq/Afghanistan after the election of President Obama doesn't mean I am going to ignore the good what the US has done for Afghanistan/Iraq. Ever since 2001, I have openly criticized the US military occupation and waste the US govt has spent. Millions displaced. Dead Iraqis. Dead US Soldiers. on and on and on. Hell I am betting a good % of the 3,000+ posts I have made on NT since 2005 was to bash Bush and the foreign policy of the US.
So if you ask me today, March 18, 2011 was the price that was paid worth it to liberate Iraq? Well today my answer would be a Yes and No. After all is said and done how could I be against Iraqis living life without a dictator. But then again how can I be ok with how the US handled the exit strategy? How can I justify the Abu Ghraib tortures? There is no right or wrong answer. It is what it is and you can only think of the good instead of dwelling on all the mistakes the US has made there.
You're done.
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You're done.
yeah I am done while you post crap like a 1,000,000 dead Iraqis which is not FACT
Funny how the iraq body count.net shows only
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Documented civilian deaths from violence
100,029 – 109,296
| 3 | 575 | 1052 | 1455 | 2850 | 755 | 276 | 260 | 387 |
| 2 | 607 | 1207 | 1459 | 2554 | 1016 | 343 | 297 | 250 |
| 3977 | 957 | 799 | 1801 | 2628 | 1547 | 416 | 334 | |
| 3437 | 1290 | 1033 | 1603 | 2457 | 1266 | 486 | 380 | |
| 544 | 620 | 1248 | 2117 | 2769 | 767 | 327 | 377 | |
| 594 | 842 | 1225 | 2447 | 2116 | 678 | 491 | 368 | |
| 648 | 791 | 1465 | 3182 | 2589 | 593 | 394 | 430 | |
| 792 | 827 | 2195 | 2759 | 2359 | 596 | 585 | 517 | |
| 556 | 943 | 1335 | 2423 | 1246 | 536 | 300 | 252 | |
| 515 | 946 | 1210 | 2932 | 1196 | 522 | 404 | 311 | |
| 483 | 1536 | 1320 | 2997 | 1065 | 476 | 205 | 302 | |
| 529 | 918 | 1003 | 2722 | 917 | 522 | 454 | 217 | |
| 12,080 | 10,852 | 15,092 | 27,897 | 24,746 | 9,274 | 4,681 | 4,045 | 637 |
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Stop it, dude.
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Originally Posted by rashi
Stop it, dude.
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Author sounds like a bitter soul, just how our Corporate Media hates Wikileaks. They got the info first and exploited it.
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odds that Libya is attacked?
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You should be the last one to be talking about bitter people. Every single post I have read from you shows your bitterness and hate.
And how appropriate you post wikileaks because even the Wikileaks Iraq journal states only 100,000+
[h1]WikiLeaks: At Least 109,000 Killed During Iraq War[/h1]
[h2]Nearly 400,000 Military Documents Reportedly Contain Details on Iraqi Torture, U.S. Misdeeds[/h2]
"The reports detail 109,032 deaths in Iraq, comprised of 66,081 'civilians'; 23,984 'enemy' (those labeled as insurgents); 15,196 'host nation' (Iraqi government forces) and 3,771 'friendly' (coalition forces)," WikiLeaks said in a statement regarding the documents' release. "The majority of the deaths (66,000, over 60 percent) of these are civilian deaths. That is 31 civilians dying every day during the six-year period."
The new documents covered 2004 through 2009, WikiLeaks said, with the exception of May 2004 and March 2009.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-109000-deaths-iraq-war/story?id=11949670
Before posting next time.. use some COMMON SENSE.
A million Iraqis killed? Give me a break.
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I think that most people don't realize the shady %#%! that goes on in other countries- all so we can enjoy the comforts offered by the US
how can we support wars, the killing of innocent civilians and blatant hypocrisy just to enjoy sub-$3 gas?
if you think that the US doesn't have a personal agenda in each of our foreign actions, you reek of ignorance.
Eventually we end up having to defend ourselves from groups that have been victims of our past transgressions. But when it comes back around, the American public is outraged by the "audacity" a specific group displays acting out against the US. (not to say terrorist actions are in any way justified- only that we shouldn't be completely surprised when something happens)
*also, the US is very scared of China, as they will most likely replace us as the worlds "superpower" in the coming decades. I wouldn't be surprised if limiting China's access to resources like oil is part of the US's foreign agenda.
btw, a good read:
Blowback, by Chalmers Johnson
http://www.amazon.com/Blo...can-Empire/dp/0805075593
how can we support wars, the killing of innocent civilians and blatant hypocrisy just to enjoy sub-$3 gas?
if you think that the US doesn't have a personal agenda in each of our foreign actions, you reek of ignorance.
Eventually we end up having to defend ourselves from groups that have been victims of our past transgressions. But when it comes back around, the American public is outraged by the "audacity" a specific group displays acting out against the US. (not to say terrorist actions are in any way justified- only that we shouldn't be completely surprised when something happens)
*also, the US is very scared of China, as they will most likely replace us as the worlds "superpower" in the coming decades. I wouldn't be surprised if limiting China's access to resources like oil is part of the US's foreign agenda.
btw, a good read:
Blowback, by Chalmers Johnson
http://www.amazon.com/Blo...can-Empire/dp/0805075593
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1,000,000
just stop posting Rashi
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Originally Posted by WE GET MONEY
1,000,000just stop posting Rashi
What's so funny? Is it hard to believe nearly 1,000,000 civilians have died since 2003?? The nerve of some of you people.
The NY times reported back in 2006 that 600,000+ civilian deaths had been recorded, and that was 2 years before Bush left office.
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Interesting book. I put it into my wish list and will search for it at the library.
But really what can we as US Citizens do though? I tried writing to my Congressmen and got no where with their office but hey they will sell me flags flown over the Capital though. I thought Obama was the real deal... someone that wasn't a war monger but that turned out to be false. Republicans/Democrats all lay on the same bed. The rich continue to make millions while the middle/lower class struggle.
I am ready to revolt as the next man... power to the people... but whose really down for it? Who wants to give up their Jordans? The NBA, NFL? Cable television, cellphones and live like the Amish people minus the religion with little dependence on the Govt?
No one I know does.
We have to be less dependent on foreign oil but I don't see anyone giving up their cars and walking and using bicycles instead. I guess bottom line we as Americans are too comfortable living here with all the modern conveniences that we will go along with whatever our Govt is doing as long as it doesn't affect us directly. Harsh reality but it is what it is.
Animal Thug153 no disrespect but come on man... an estimate based on a survey of 1,849 Iraqi Households? Really?
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After that first line it was hard to even take your post seriously.
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Dear Animal Thug and rashi,
Please stop posting. Forever.
Sincerely,
Andy
Please stop posting. Forever.
Sincerely,
Andy
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I don't understand why you guys find it so impossible to believe that more than 100,000 Iraqis have been killed. In all honesty, no one is even keeping serious count of how many Iraqis have been killed in the past 8 years.
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STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESS FOR ONCE?
We gotta a lot on our plate as is.
We gotta a lot on our plate as is.
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alright, Chris Jackson. don't "probably", man up and do it or don't try to get yourself over as a heel, you rebel, you.
