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What has happened to black families vol 72% illegitimacy rate
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they all have it figured out because they for the most part stick together. The Jewish people all work together go to pray together and help raise the community as a whole.Originally Posted by cartune
DC the same system gave us The Cosby Show (which a large sum of black people rejected because it wasnt "realistic")
The same system put a black familly in the White House
The same system made the highest paid person in HOLLYWOOD a black man
What exactly is the system's objective? Is it not rational to assume that the system isnt as powerful as you think and individuals are just making dumb decisions?
If you dont have a stable home the race will fail period. No matter the hardships of the past the family must remain stable to recover.
The Jewish community figured it out
The Irish community figured it out
The Italian community figured it out
The Asian community figured it out
They all could have blamed "the system" one way or the other.
Our culture is known for bringing each other down.
House jigga vs Field jigga
light skinned vs dark skinned
upper class blacks vs. pour underclass blacks
there is always a divide in our culture and instead of closing the gap that there is it just continues to grow.
As far as fixing it i couldn't tell you but my goal in life is to make sure when i leave this earth my kids are in a position where they don't feel that they have to blame others for why are lazy and cant work harder
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You said it yourself "If you dont have a stable home the race will fail period". They people you just listed came to America willingly, and were able to maintain their cultural traditions. Can you say the same for blacks that were FORCED to come to America? Didn't think so.
I don't think we do though...if we did this whole country would be upside down.
The system focused on destroying the Black family structure.Originally Posted by cartune
DC the same system gave us The Cosby Show (which a large sum of black people rejected because it wasnt "realistic")
The same system put a black familly in the White House
The same system made the highest paid person in HOLLYWOOD a black man
What exactly is the system's objective? Is it not rational to assume that the system isnt as powerful as you think and individuals are just making dumb decisions?
If you dont have a stable home the race will fail period. No matter the hardships of the past the family must remain stable to recover.
The Jewish community figured it out
The Irish community figured it out
The Italian community figured it out
The Asian community figured it out
They all could have blamed "the system" one way or the other.
And when a Black person even mentions sticking together, somebody calls reverse racism.Originally Posted by Slicknick951
they all have it figured out because they for the most part stick together. The Jewish people all work together go to pray together and help raise the community as a whole.Originally Posted by cartune
DC the same system gave us The Cosby Show (which a large sum of black people rejected because it wasnt "realistic")
The same system put a black familly in the White House
The same system made the highest paid person in HOLLYWOOD a black man
What exactly is the system's objective? Is it not rational to assume that the system isnt as powerful as you think and individuals are just making dumb decisions?
If you dont have a stable home the race will fail period. No matter the hardships of the past the family must remain stable to recover.
The Jewish community figured it out
The Irish community figured it out
The Italian community figured it out
The Asian community figured it out
They all could have blamed "the system" one way or the other.
Our culture is known for bringing each other down.
House jigga vs Field jigga
light skinned vs dark skinned
upper class blacks vs. pour underclass blacks
there is always a divide in our culture and instead of closing the gap that there is it just continues to grow.
As far as fixing it i couldn't tell you but my goal in life is to make sure when i leave this earth my kids are in a position where they don't feel that they have to blame others for why are lazy and cant work harder
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Do your best to make it and pull as many people along for the ride that you can. Just be in the service of others man. It is a simple task.
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Great point.
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Originally Posted by cguy610
And when a Black person even mentions sticking together, somebody calls reverse racism.Originally Posted by Slicknick951
they all have it figured out because they for the most part stick together. The Jewish people all work together go to pray together and help raise the community as a whole.Originally Posted by cartune
DC the same system gave us The Cosby Show (which a large sum of black people rejected because it wasnt "realistic")
The same system put a black familly in the White House
The same system made the highest paid person in HOLLYWOOD a black man
What exactly is the system's objective? Is it not rational to assume that the system isnt as powerful as you think and individuals are just making dumb decisions?
If you dont have a stable home the race will fail period. No matter the hardships of the past the family must remain stable to recover.
The Jewish community figured it out
The Irish community figured it out
The Italian community figured it out
The Asian community figured it out
They all could have blamed "the system" one way or the other.
Our culture is known for bringing each other down.
House jigga vs Field jigga
light skinned vs dark skinned
upper class blacks vs. pour underclass blacks
there is always a divide in our culture and instead of closing the gap that there is it just continues to grow.
As far as fixing it i couldn't tell you but my goal in life is to make sure when i leave this earth my kids are in a position where they don't feel that they have to blame others for why are lazy and cant work harder
Yea the NAACP ,black panthers any organization for that matter got attacked beyond belief we just have to make sure the young ones learn from their parents mistakes. Its too late to teach people in their 30s and 40s we need to teach the babies coming up.
The Cosby show and Obama point are moot with the "System" putting postive black in place as if you look at them they are main stream becuase they are "Safe" for consumoption by the masses. What if Obama had an a beard , i know that sounds minor but stuff like that deem him unsafe black man. In college I went to an HSBC they had us shave and look the part for white america and in this case the system. If the system does all these great things then why must we become safe........Originally Posted by cartune
DC the same system gave us The Cosby Show (which a large sum of black people rejected because it wasnt "realistic")
The same system put a black familly in the White House
The same system made the highest paid person in HOLLYWOOD a black man
What exactly is the system's objective? Is it not rational to assume that the system isnt as powerful as you think and individuals are just making dumb decisions?
If you dont have a stable home the race will fail period. No matter the hardships of the past the family must remain stable to recover.
The Jewish community figured it out
The Irish community figured it out
The Italian community figured it out
The Asian community figured it out
They all could have blamed "the system" one way or the other.
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This is the only argument I can think of at the time being.
On top of that, "Black" is really diverse. My immediate heritage is from Jamaica...by way (of course) Africa...but then way? Where in Africa?
Even asian communities aren't just "asian"...its Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, etc...
I had a super long argument typed out but this was much more succinct.
I feel that this thread is starting to address things dealing with "White Priviledge" which is an actual sociological phenomenon that is observed critically. I suggest reading the work of Tim Wise for a basic intro topic...
On top of that...do you all know how close black people in this country came to getting it CRACKIN'?!
Black Wallstreet.
Civil Rights.
The arts...the music...the paintings...the expression...the literary revival
We were so close to making "our own"
We were making our own systems of community.
There was support for each other.
Crime wasn't even that high in the hood. White people were probably committing more crime.
Before the 80s most gang violence looks like poor white kids in ghettos.
Hell up until the 1970s we were DOING it...did you see our movies? Our communities? Our leaders? Hell, we weren't even THAT religious until a revival in the 80s of massive christianity due to people trying to curb the new ailments of the 80s.
Then you know what happened?
Crack.
Entire generation...GONE.
Sad really.
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So why was the black family strong up into the crack era? The civil rights movement's foundation was the Black church and the black family.
Black people need to stop with rear view mirror moments. Timed to move forward.
The solution is simple
Women need to mentor these girls they out here aspiring to be worldstar %*!%
Men mentor these young men so Lil Wayne isnt the only consistent male figure in there lives
And for Gods sake if you have a seed be in his or her's life whether or not you get alone with the other parent
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As a black man, I want to first say I love black people. I love "us" enough to tell the truth. The bottom line is most of black america's problems can be to irresponsible decision making on behalf of black women more specifically those in their mid teens to late 20's. Black women are the only segment of the u.s. population that is void of criticism. If a black man disagrees or is critical of issue regarding black women he "hates his race" or is sellout. If a white man does it, he is a bigot. Black women have simply stigmatized anyone who doesn't co-sign all of the silly behavior they get involved with. This doesn't apply to all black women, but if the shoe fits, wear it.
The issue to me is responsibility. Let's not be naive and think that just because blacks getting married that it will somehow "heal the hood". I doubt very seriously that there is correlation between marital status and parental attentiveness. In short, black women need to stop having kids with unproductive black men that are out here living a destructive lifestyle. Having a baby by a dope boy is not hot and it's not cute. Pursue education and if you decide to have sex, be responsible and protect yourself. Black women, before you sex with a man, ask yourself this question "Would I want him to be the father of my child? If you have think about that answer, you already know the answer.
The issue to me is responsibility. Let's not be naive and think that just because blacks getting married that it will somehow "heal the hood". I doubt very seriously that there is correlation between marital status and parental attentiveness. In short, black women need to stop having kids with unproductive black men that are out here living a destructive lifestyle. Having a baby by a dope boy is not hot and it's not cute. Pursue education and if you decide to have sex, be responsible and protect yourself. Black women, before you sex with a man, ask yourself this question "Would I want him to be the father of my child? If you have think about that answer, you already know the answer.
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Marry my baby momma and teach these youngins to use rubbers when they run through these harlots.
i think this is part of the problem. I'm not going to sit here and type that i'm a perfect person but:
i understand its part of a man's nature, but the way we disrespect women is pretty gross. look at the average thread on here. I saw a dude call women "depreciating assets." like do you have a mother? i understand these women are grown, but when you take something from them we aren't adding to the situation. you hurting little momma >>>> the next dude taking advantage of her >>>>>>> repeating the same cycle.
again, i'm in no where near close to perfect, but it seems that we brothas are quick to jump into a relationship for all the wrong reasons. one thing leads to another and you have two people who do want to be parents. a lot of which leads to poverty.
of all of the dudes i ran w/ in high school, i was the only one that grew up in a 2 parent home. i'm 26 and i'm the only one w/o kids. most of those cats have multiple baby fathers. thankfully, i had a different blueprint. but at some point we gotta start creating our own blueprints.
(this is easily the longest post i've written in 8 years as an NTer)
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Immigrants come here with a purpose and know they will sacrifice for a while. There is no way people can compare African-Americans to immigrants. Look at African immigrants. There is a clear difference there.
I just can't blame mass media first and foremost because in general, mass media plays to the lowest common denominator and it seems like every area eats it up. Don't forget that this very diverse site had a thread on the Kardashian "divorce" go over 20 pages among a whole bunch of other BS.
Adult influence is the only way to go. That's it man. Teach them history but don't make it into a F authority, F government type thing. I just don't think that mindset works. It's defeatist. There have been grave injustices and some still occur today. But the mindset just hurts young people. Adults are authority too, you know.
I'm not "black" but consider myself well-versed in Afro-American history and I'm always willing to learn if for some reason I am way off here. This is just what I've experienced from my own dealings with "black" youth and from courses and talks. There is so much resentment at everything and it's just not doing anybody any good.
I just can't blame mass media first and foremost because in general, mass media plays to the lowest common denominator and it seems like every area eats it up. Don't forget that this very diverse site had a thread on the Kardashian "divorce" go over 20 pages among a whole bunch of other BS.
Adult influence is the only way to go. That's it man. Teach them history but don't make it into a F authority, F government type thing. I just don't think that mindset works. It's defeatist. There have been grave injustices and some still occur today. But the mindset just hurts young people. Adults are authority too, you know.
I'm not "black" but consider myself well-versed in Afro-American history and I'm always willing to learn if for some reason I am way off here. This is just what I've experienced from my own dealings with "black" youth and from courses and talks. There is so much resentment at everything and it's just not doing anybody any good.
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Gone to bed with this.
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There is certainly structural bias against blacks in America. One of the greatest "casualties" in the war on drugs has been the black household.
This is an excellent piece: http://www.nybooks.com/ar...system-criminal-justice/
This is an excellent piece: http://www.nybooks.com/ar...system-criminal-justice/
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i agree. but IMO positive examples have to start at the local level. you can be a blue collar dude like Julius and still be an example of a Black man taking care of his wife and kids.
Hank, you're a fan of The Wire. You saw how the women were flocking to Cutty because he was a positive man in the community. Initially he took advantage of the situation (yeah he was fresh out of jail) but the kids didn't respect him effing their mothers. my main man Michael saw that already.
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Word. That only goes so far though
How do we change the problem for the communities & people as a whole?
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With the amount of birth control methods available, there is little reason except for irresponsibility for a teen to become pregnant. I believe that a lot of the issues (such as broken families) that plague the black community would be eased if the young pregnancies were decreased.
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Originally Posted by Brolic Scholar
Q: What has happened to black families?
A: Ignorance and low self-esteem. No pride, no knowledge of self, no history and a media created "culture" that feeds the cycle of self-destructive behavior. I can't tell you the last time I allowed myself to be a part of the foolishness that portrays black America on TV. BET, TBS, etc. You show people they are inferior long enough and eventually they'll believe it. Add to that the music that dummies think is real life and
Black folks are much more connected to their music than most cultures and look at what we listen to. The music we listen to has other races calling themselves the n word like it's a good thing. Sad.
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Black people don't support black businesses.
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I'm not black but this thread was fascinating to read.
One point in particular that resonated was the loss of culture due to the slave trade. Every other immigrant group can trace their roots back to a culture but blacks lost that when they were stripped of their identities during slavery. The question is, what now? Because there is a loss of that culture, black Americans have to create a brand new unique culture that they can identify with and be united by right? What do you see that as though today?
One of the big unifiers of people is food. Food culture is usually tied to "where you're from." If you're a black American, you don't have that. What you eat is 'American' and probably exactly the same as any other American. So what I'm suggesting is that black Americans take the steering wheel as far as what 'American' food is. How many black people do you see on all the cooking shows on TV? Practically none. The country is ripe for a food revolution. People are fed up with fast food and are becoming more and more aware of the benefits of eating local and natural foods. This is one sector that black Americans can attempt to take over and one which you can see the effects almost immediately. Art? There are black artists, Kara Walker is the first one that comes to mind, but few are represented in galleries or museums. The arts need to be promoted more in the community. Less Modern Warfare and more trips to the museum. Music? One can say rap music is unique to black Americans and is one of the few things that can be said to have originated in the black American culture. One can also argue that it has done more damage then good in the community it sprung forth from. I know a lot of people on this board feel very strongly about hiphop and I've heard all the arguments (it's entertainment and not real life being the one I hear most often) but you have to acknowledge that what is being portrayed in that music IS influencing the minds of some kids out there. Rap is not intrinsically bad but most of the stuff that is popular is promoting violence, drug use, promiscuity, the pursuit of money by any means, a rejection of authority, and a rejection of responsibility. Someone needs to come along and show these kids that John Coltrane is much cooler than Gucci Mane.
One point in particular that resonated was the loss of culture due to the slave trade. Every other immigrant group can trace their roots back to a culture but blacks lost that when they were stripped of their identities during slavery. The question is, what now? Because there is a loss of that culture, black Americans have to create a brand new unique culture that they can identify with and be united by right? What do you see that as though today?
One of the big unifiers of people is food. Food culture is usually tied to "where you're from." If you're a black American, you don't have that. What you eat is 'American' and probably exactly the same as any other American. So what I'm suggesting is that black Americans take the steering wheel as far as what 'American' food is. How many black people do you see on all the cooking shows on TV? Practically none. The country is ripe for a food revolution. People are fed up with fast food and are becoming more and more aware of the benefits of eating local and natural foods. This is one sector that black Americans can attempt to take over and one which you can see the effects almost immediately. Art? There are black artists, Kara Walker is the first one that comes to mind, but few are represented in galleries or museums. The arts need to be promoted more in the community. Less Modern Warfare and more trips to the museum. Music? One can say rap music is unique to black Americans and is one of the few things that can be said to have originated in the black American culture. One can also argue that it has done more damage then good in the community it sprung forth from. I know a lot of people on this board feel very strongly about hiphop and I've heard all the arguments (it's entertainment and not real life being the one I hear most often) but you have to acknowledge that what is being portrayed in that music IS influencing the minds of some kids out there. Rap is not intrinsically bad but most of the stuff that is popular is promoting violence, drug use, promiscuity, the pursuit of money by any means, a rejection of authority, and a rejection of responsibility. Someone needs to come along and show these kids that John Coltrane is much cooler than Gucci Mane.
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so you gonna act like soul food doesn't exist?
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