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And remember we talking Wade and Scottie at their primes, you can't use this year as an argument against Wade, just like you can't use Scottie after he left the Bulls.
why is it such a sin to say anyone will be better than Michael Jordan?
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Honestly, I'm still baffled by this.
"Wade can't touch Scottie"
Da fugg?????
And I hate to even sound like I'm being dismissive of Scottie. Because I'm not trying to. Dude was great. A bonafide star in tha 90's. A key cog on a dynasty. He was extremly unique, and could have a large impact on that game without scoring. Scottie literally was casted in the PERFECT role for his abitilities as a complimetary star, to dominant volume scoring two guard(The GOAT, that being Jordan).
But you cannot ignore Pippen's limations as a scorer. Pippen was an opportunistic scorer who was dependant on a system. Pippen couldn't go on a 1-4 isolation clinic, in a half-court set like Wade can. Pippen could not even DREAM of scoring 30ppg for a season. IF Pip is by far and away the best scorer on the team, you aren't SNIFFING a title. With Wade, you have a prayer.
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at you guys really thinking Wade > Scottie
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Players who quit on their teams in the playoffs/Finals can't ever be considered the greatest ever. Therefore, you can cross off Kobe and Lebron.
At the end of the day, MJ is the greatest basketball player of all time. There isn't a debate, I don't care how many titles Lebron wins or how many records he breaks in this watered down league.
At the end of the day, MJ is the greatest basketball player of all time. There isn't a debate, I don't care how many titles Lebron wins or how many records he breaks in this watered down league.
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This video shows why so many believe MJ is the greatest, just look at his footwork and tripple threat position. He's arguably the best post player ever and people want to compare Lebron to him? Lebron doesn't have a 3rd of Jordan's offensive repertoire. People get to caught up in the moment and blinded by stats, we need to observe more with our eyes.
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The guy whose defining moment when Michael Jordan wasn't on the court is crying out of a play because it wasn't drawn up him is really better than a guy that straight up lead a team a championship.
And he did as much as Scottie ever did for the other one.
You dudes are ******g haters and I don't even cook with D. Wade like that.
Scottie Pippen hasn't done **** relevant in the NBA when Michael Jordan wasn't involved.
And he did as much as Scottie ever did for the other one.
You dudes are ******g haters and I don't even cook with D. Wade like that.
Scottie Pippen hasn't done **** relevant in the NBA when Michael Jordan wasn't involved.
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MJ didn't need to pay Hakeem to learn that post game either. MJ can do that move in his grampa jeans ans turtle neck.
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I hear what you are saying but even if Lebron is bullying his way to the basket and its not as pretty its still effective.
Dirk Nowitzki is my favorite player of all time probably the most skilled 7 footer ever but I'd take Shaq's game over his all day.
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So would I(A prime Shaq>>>Prime Dirk) Shaq was a force of nature and he elevated his game when it mattered the most(playoffs) ala MJ. Jordan was also extremely dominate from a guards position, just like a Shaq. Teams immediately sent help when guarding Jordan due to his crazy skill set and he still dominated against brutal cheat defense. Lebron is not as dominate as Jordan was on the offensive end and he benefits greatly in playing against today's soft defense. I've said before in this thread that Lebron would be great in any era(not to discredit what he's doing right now) but if Jordan could play against today's soft defensive rules, he would easily average 40 plus points.
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I'll put my two cents in on the op.
When Michael Jordan started winning he shut the league down. Like no other teams stood a chance until he retired. He beat teams that where better than his.
What happened to Kobe in 2004 and Lebron in 2011 NEVER happened to him because he wouldn't let it.
As great as Lebron is and Kobe is you don't feel hopless like you did with Mike in his prime.
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When Michael Jordan started winning he shut the league down. Like no other teams stood a chance until he retired. He beat teams that where better than his.
What happened to Kobe in 2004 and Lebron in 2011 NEVER happened to him because he wouldn't let it.
As great as Lebron is and Kobe is you don't feel hopless like you did with Mike in his prime.
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The disrespect for Wade since Lebron James joined the Heat is ridiculous.
If you can sit here and thoroughly believe Pippen was a better offense player than Wade theirs so point to argue. The numbers aren't on your side, history is not on your side, and clearly common basketball knowledge isn't either.
Pippen was a better defender, he's one of the all time greats at that. But that's it. That's always going to be it.
If you can sit here and thoroughly believe Pippen was a better offense player than Wade theirs so point to argue. The numbers aren't on your side, history is not on your side, and clearly common basketball knowledge isn't either.
Pippen was a better defender, he's one of the all time greats at that. But that's it. That's always going to be it.
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Seriously.
Lebron stacked the deck for himself to easily win multiple titles and have crazy stats. He literally said "it's gonna be easy"
The media was mad at him for it, and punished him for it by not giving him next years MVP
And now the same media and everyone else is propping up lebron and going crazy. Was there really supposed to be any other storyline? He created this super team. And everyone knew it at the time.
Isn't bosh shooting something like 60 percent over lebrons recent run?
The media will make damn sure to give lebron more than 6 MVP's. Deserved or not. Just so they can have all the debates and chatter. As if it means anything
Do people really think Steve Nash is better than Kobe? Nope
Lebron stacked the deck for himself to easily win multiple titles and have crazy stats. He literally said "it's gonna be easy"
The media was mad at him for it, and punished him for it by not giving him next years MVP
And now the same media and everyone else is propping up lebron and going crazy. Was there really supposed to be any other storyline? He created this super team. And everyone knew it at the time.
Isn't bosh shooting something like 60 percent over lebrons recent run?
The media will make damn sure to give lebron more than 6 MVP's. Deserved or not. Just so they can have all the debates and chatter. As if it means anything
Do people really think Steve Nash is better than Kobe? Nope
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Defense is better now.
It was deserved last year and will be this year. So?
You said Chris Bosh was better than Pippen, though.
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It's better designed. Its more tactical But it's softer. Can't pack the paint. Can't send a message or your suspended.
It wasn't deserved last year. Plays on a super team, in a terrible confrence and can't even get the number one seed in the league.
I do not think there will be media fatigue with lebron. He was punished. They weren't fatigued. And I don't think they will be.
It wasn't deserved last year. Plays on a super team, in a terrible confrence and can't even get the number one seed in the league.
I do not think there will be media fatigue with lebron. He was punished. They weren't fatigued. And I don't think they will be.
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Ton of crazy stuff said in here, as always.
Plain and simple, LeBron isn't done yet, but neither he nor Kobe's resume' are even close. Kobe being on the tail end of his and LeBron in his prime... no. Right now, it's not even a discussion.
And I agree with those who say people get caught up in the whole Michael Jordan experience and how it played out and revolutionized not only the league, but the entire sport, fashion, etc... but isn't that part of it all? Not from a marketing or dollar aspect, but I'm talking about how Mike just played out perfectly. He was a winner from his first college season, a clutch winner, and he had the struggles every young man has when he joins the real world (i.e. NBA) but once he was "the Man", he was the Man until he left. Plain and simple.
Mike didn't lose in the Finals. He never even faced elimination in the Finals. Never. To me, that'll always be my last bullet in the chamber, even if LeBron gets to 6 or goes past 6. He lost 2. Got swept the first time and lost to a team that shouldn't have beaten them the 2nd time. Mike just wasn't gonna go out like that and he never did.
I'll agree, we've never seen anything like LeBron before... but we still haven't seen anything like Mike. Kobe has done one helluva job of doing an impersonation. Hell, I used to hate Kobe for no reason, but when I realized all he was doing was pretending to be like Mike just like the rest of us used to do in the backyard, except he actually looked like him, all I could do is enjoy the great years of basketball he gave us.
I am fully confident that we'll never see anything like Mike again. Never.
Plain and simple, LeBron isn't done yet, but neither he nor Kobe's resume' are even close. Kobe being on the tail end of his and LeBron in his prime... no. Right now, it's not even a discussion.
And I agree with those who say people get caught up in the whole Michael Jordan experience and how it played out and revolutionized not only the league, but the entire sport, fashion, etc... but isn't that part of it all? Not from a marketing or dollar aspect, but I'm talking about how Mike just played out perfectly. He was a winner from his first college season, a clutch winner, and he had the struggles every young man has when he joins the real world (i.e. NBA) but once he was "the Man", he was the Man until he left. Plain and simple.
Mike didn't lose in the Finals. He never even faced elimination in the Finals. Never. To me, that'll always be my last bullet in the chamber, even if LeBron gets to 6 or goes past 6. He lost 2. Got swept the first time and lost to a team that shouldn't have beaten them the 2nd time. Mike just wasn't gonna go out like that and he never did.
I'll agree, we've never seen anything like LeBron before... but we still haven't seen anything like Mike. Kobe has done one helluva job of doing an impersonation. Hell, I used to hate Kobe for no reason, but when I realized all he was doing was pretending to be like Mike just like the rest of us used to do in the backyard, except he actually looked like him, all I could do is enjoy the great years of basketball he gave us.
I am fully confident that we'll never see anything like Mike again. Never.
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Lol. Ok.
It's better. And again, why oh why is the 6'8 260 guy the one who will crumble? Just too mentally weak I bet.
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Not even trying to start a debate or anything, but anybody who doesn't say Kobe doesn't have a lot of Jordan in his game is blind. It's almost mind boggling how Transparent Kobe's game is to Michael's. Kobe's game this season looks almost 100% like Mike's in this video.
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It wasn't a travesty. But I don't think he did anything special compared to when rose won The media just forgave him.
If durant and tony Parker get penalized for playing on a stacked team, I don't think lebron should win an MVP on his current team if the heat can't even get the best record in the NBA while playing in a horrid confrence.
If durant and tony Parker get penalized for playing on a stacked team, I don't think lebron should win an MVP on his current team if the heat can't even get the best record in the NBA while playing in a horrid confrence.
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I don't know, why did the huge guy Malone crumble with the mailman doesn't deliver on Sunday crack.
Some players don't like contact. Like I know damn well Vince carter gets elbowed in the head over and over he will stop going to the hole.
last years playoffs was the first time the guy finally went to the hole over and over again. Get cracked in the face a few times, maybe he sags off and goes to his jumper. We will never know. There are no consequences for him going to the hoop. No "no easy lay ups" for him.
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Kobe tried to emulate Jordan to a T..even down to the way he talked and conducted himself IMO. Jordan was more mentally advanced than Kobe IMO, he knew how to counter/react to double teams like no other from a guards position, he was catlike quick. That's why he was so dominate in the post.
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It's obvious he tried to emulate him, and I see nothing wrong with it at all. He's mastered the post. He looks virtually the exact same as Jordan in the post. Kobe this season is proving that he can counter/react to double teams just like Jordan did. Jordan's dominant in the post is definitely something to be admired, however the guards he was posting up aren't necessarily phenomenal basketball players either. A lot 6'3 average athleticism basketball players.
In no way am I trying to say Kobe is better than Jordan, (He isn't) I'm just pointing out how strikingly similar their games are, especially 17ft and in.
