- 158,100
- 138,527
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2001
Wrestling NERDS are saying this. That doesn't make them big time draws.
I think you are confusing popularity and drawing power.
The ole Daniel Bryan argument. The two things don't mean the same
Wrestling Thread May 11-31 | 5/29 Elim Chamber Pred Contest AND Extr Rules & Payback Contest Results
- Thread in 'General' Thread starter Started by 4wrestling,
- Start date
I think you are confusing popularity and drawing power.
The ole Daniel Bryan argument. The two things don't mean the same
- 24,939
- 12,249
- Joined
- Jul 21, 2012
Facts! marks know the bucks but does the casual fan know them?? No they do not. It's like when an Indy guy gets over in nxt then gets brought up and they flop they blame the crowd for not being smarky enough. A top drawer gotta draw with the marks and the casuals.
- 158,100
- 138,527
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2001
I never said they CAN'T. I said they AREN'T draws. Meaning they having shown the ability to draw big crowds and bring in big money for a major promotion.
They are NOT a draw. If the Young Bucks headlined the damn Verizon Center, 5000 people might show up AT BEST.
- 16,371
- 5,066
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2004
Read my next post... The events were highly rumored, from da Gawd Himself Meltzer, that the shows would be Bullet Club vs ROH only...
Now if you're saying that it isn't possible to draw money if you're not NJPW or WWE, I'll listen...
- 34,984
- 16,887
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2005
Now this I'll agree with. Certainly they're not the #1 draw in NJPW but they are up there. They consistently are included in the card of every big event. Look at Wrestle Kingdom. Opening a show is just as important as closing it. They tore the house down that night.
- 34,984
- 16,887
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2005
But it's all relative. You could say that about anybody in NJPW simply due to the fact that it's Japanese and not American.
Put them in the Tokyo dome headlining and it sells out.
That argument is invalid.
- 158,100
- 138,527
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2001
No they aren't UP THERE in New Japan. The show goes on, same attendence with or without the damn Young Bucks.
Kota Ibushi is UP THERE. He isn't a top draw.
AJ Styles is UP THERE. He isn't a top draw.
Young Bucks are not UP THERE in NEw Japan
Kota Ibushi is UP THERE. He isn't a top draw.
AJ Styles is UP THERE. He isn't a top draw.
Young Bucks are not UP THERE in NEw Japan
- 16,371
- 5,066
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2004
Smackdown can't draw 5000 a lot of weeks
... You see those pictures of how small the crowds are... The Young Bucks will put ***** in seats...
- 34,984
- 16,887
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2005
The casual fan doesn't know anyone outside WWE. Which I guess is what you meant earlier.
But strictly speaking NJPW only. Or Indy only, they can DRAW.
Those crowds aren't doing big numbers compared to the WWE to begin with. It's unfair to compare the two.
- 158,100
- 138,527
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2001
Who else would be on the show that the Young Bucks are headlining?
If there is no Nakamura, Tanahashi, Ibushi, or Okada, and the Young Bucks are headlining? And the fans know that in advance? Man that show has NO CHANCE of selling out
- 158,100
- 138,527
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2001
Smackdown can't draw 5000 a lot of weeks... You see those pictures of how small the crowds are...
The Young Bucks will put ***** in seats...
I am done. Yall got it man
- 16,371
- 5,066
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2004
But wrestling nerds are the ones who go to indy shows.. And we're talking about indy wrestlers... So....
- 34,984
- 16,887
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2005
How are they not up there????
They're equally as important as AJ Styles in the Bullet Club. And the Bullet Club draws heavy in NJPW....
The show goes on without Kota. The show goes on with AJ.
There's many ways you can twist an argument fam
- 24,939
- 12,249
- Joined
- Jul 21, 2012
Young bucks are not top draws in njpw. No "foreigner" is.
Last edited:
- 34,984
- 16,887
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2005
Easy way out
Ok.
I am done. Yall got it man
You remind me of Ninjahood fam. Just won't stop arguing. Keeps going and going and going.
That pride though....
- 16,371
- 5,066
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2004
Smackdown can't draw 5000 a lot of weeks
The Young Bucks will put ***** in seats...Ok.
I am done. Yall got it man
Thank goodness...
Last edited:
- 158,100
- 138,527
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2001
Not the easy way out. Going in circles man.
Easy way out
You remind me of Ninjahood fam. Just won't stop arguing. Keeps going and going and going.
That pride though....
I am saying you don't get a label of DRAW if you are only doing it on an indy level.
And if you believe the Young Bucks are anywhere near a draw in New Japan, you are trippin but. We can end the discussion. No point of going back and forth anymore.
You say they are a draw
I say they aren't because they have only headlined shows that would have souled out either way.
But time for GSW for HOU
- 34,984
- 16,887
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2005
Drawing is drawing though. No matter who the fans are.
We gonna say John Cena can't draw because it's only kids who wanna see him?
At the end of the day, ***** in seats = draw
- 16,371
- 5,066
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2004
This isn't old school New Japan or All Japan or NOAH... The Bullet Club is a top draw for NJPW...
- 34,984
- 16,887
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2005
But you CAN get the label of a draw if you are doing it on an Indy level. Because THATS your fanbase. Like i said, it's all relative.
If that's the argument, then no one in ROH, NJPW, PWG, CZW, etc can draw. Because they are considered Indy.
If an arena only sits 1000 and 750 came there to see the bucks, then they are drawing. Doesn't matter the # because they have already reached their upper limit in terms of attendance.
Context is very important.
If that's the argument, then no one in ROH, NJPW, PWG, CZW, etc can draw. Because they are considered Indy.
If an arena only sits 1000 and 750 came there to see the bucks, then they are drawing. Doesn't matter the # because they have already reached their upper limit in terms of attendance.
Context is very important.
- 36,170
- 5,756
- Joined
- Nov 22, 2007
man, i'm at a loss 
what an awful night
what an awful night
- 158,100
- 138,527
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2001
You do know Wrestle Kingdom 9 didn't "sell out" right?
But the Young Bucks would sell it out if they were headlining?
Ok
- 34,984
- 16,887
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2005
Neither did WM32
Like I said, it's all relative. At the end of the day, you're arguing that the bucks DO NOT put butts in seats. Which is simply not true. All you have to look at is the crowd. Any ROH show will have a large majority of the crowd wearing Bullet Club Tees. With a large majority of that large majority wearing the Young Bucks version of the Bullet Club tees.
If that's not a good indicator, then idk what is.
...So
formerly beyondmeasure
- 17,090
- 7,899
- Joined
- Apr 25, 2013
.
Last edited: