14 Dead, 50 Hurt In Batman Movie Shooting

[createdestroy]

They're free to do as they like...doesn't take away from the fact that it was idiotic. God forbid someone shot up a theater full of people watching a Disney film. However, NO ONE would question why kids were there.

a packed disney movie at midnight with loud music/gunshots/explosions. (from the movie not the shooter)

doesn't make sense either way

 

[futuremd]

If his apartment bomb had gone off... 

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Damn, that bomb that was in his apartment.




He seemed like a normal dude in that video. It just shows you never know whats going on in somebody's head.

 

[daytona 5000]

Why is the media constantly showing that COWARD and not the ORIGINAL MAN who saved his woman and children.

 

[futuremd]

From Huff Post:

"His brother, Jesse, is all over the boards trying to spin this a different way. Apparently Jamie and company realized that the entire world considers him a coward and now they are telling a very different tale. According to them, he didn't drop the baby, he placed him in between seats for safe keeping and the "drive away"? He went to get his truck to drive his girlfriend to the hospital. Nevermind that his girlfriend and children weren't even out of the theater and that he himself admitted to nearly driving home only to come back because his girlfriend called him to come get them. Apparently coward is the real surname in the Rohrs family."

How are ya'll defending this dude? 

EDIT. Saw this on the Boxden Thread:

 

[Bend_The_Knee]

^He's a punk.

 

[boys noize]

Jason Alexander, aka George Costanza, on Aurora and gun control.

I'd like to preface this long tweet by saying that my passion comes from my deepest sympathy and shared sorrow with yesterday's victims and with the utmost respect for the people and the police/fire/medical/political forces of Aurora and all who seek to comfort and aid these victims.

This morning, I made a comment about how I do not understand people who support public ownership of assault style weapons like the AR-15 used in the Colorado massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

That comment, has of course, inspired a lot of feedback. There have been many tweets of agreement and sympathy but many, many more that have been challenging at the least, hostile and vitriolic at the worst.

Clearly, the angry, threatened and threatening, hostile comments are coming from gun owners and gun advocates. Despite these massacres recurring and despite the 100,000 Americans that die every year due to domestic gun violence - these people see no value to even considering some kind of control as to what kinds of weapons are put in civilian hands.

Many of them cite patriotism as their reason - true patriots support the Constitution adamantly and wholly. Constitution says citizens have the right to bear arms in order to maintain organized militias. I'm no constitutional scholar so here it is from the document itself:

As passed by the Congress:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

So the patriots are correct, gun ownership is in the constitution - if you're in a well-regulated militia. Let's see what no less a statesman than Alexander Hamilton had to say about a militia:

"A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss."

Or from Merriam-Webster dictionary:
Definition of MILITIA
1
a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2
: the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

The advocates of guns who claim patriotism and the rights of the 2nd Amendment - are they in well-regulated militias? For the vast majority - the answer is no.

Then I get messages from seemingly decent and intelligent people who offer things like: @BrooklynAvi: Guns should only be banned if violent crimes committed with tomatoes means we should ban tomatoes. OR @nysportsguys1: Drunk drivers kill, should we ban fast cars?

I'm hoping that right after they hit send, they take a deep breath and realize that those arguments are completely specious. I believe tomatoes and cars have purposes other than killing. What purpose does an AR-15 serve to a sportsman that a more standard hunting rifle does not serve? Let's see - does it fire more rounds without reload? Yes. Does it fire farther and more accurately? Yes. Does it accommodate a more lethal payload? Yes. So basically, the purpose of an assault style weapon is to kill more stuff, more fully, faster and from further away. To achieve maximum lethality. Hardly the primary purpose of tomatoes and sports cars.

Then there are the tweets from the extreme right - these are the folk who believe our government has been corrupted and stolen and that the forces of evil are at play, planning to take over this nation and these folk are going to fight back and take a stand. And any moron like me who doesn't see it should...
a. be labeled a moron
b. shut the **** up
c. be removed

And amazingly, I have some minor agreement with these folks. I believe there are evil forces at play in our government. But I call them corporatists. I call them absolutists. I call them the kind of ideologues from both sides, but mostly from the far right who swear allegiance to unelected officials that regardless of national need or global conditions, are never to levy a tax. That they are never to compromise or seek solutions with the other side. That are to obstruct every possible act of governance, even the ones they support or initiate. Whose political and social goal is to marginalize the other side, vilify and isolate them with the hope that they will surrender, go away or die out.

These people believe that the US government is eventually going to go street by street and enslave our citizens. Now as long as that is only happening to liberals, *****exuals and democrats - no problem. But if they try it with anyone else - it's going to be arms-ageddon and these committed, God-fearing, brave souls will then use their military-esque arsenal to show the forces of our corrupt government whats-what. These people think they meet the definition of a "militia". They don't. At least not the constitutional one. And, if it should actually come to such an unthinkable reality, these people believe they would win. That's why they have to "take our country back". From who? From anyone who doesn't think like them or see the world like them. They hold the only truth, everyone else is dangerous. Ever meet a terrorist that doesn't believe that? Just asking.

Then there are the folks who write that if everyone in Colorado had a weapon, this maniac would have been stopped. Perhaps. But I do believe that the element of surprise, tear gas and head to toe kevlar protection might have given him a distinct edge. Not only that, but a crowd of people firing away in a chaotic arena without training or planning - I tend to think that scenario could produce even more victims.

Lastly, there are these well-intended realists that say that people like this evil animal would get these weapons even if we regulated them. And they may be right. But he wouldn't have strolled down the road to Kmart and picked them up. Regulated, he would have had to go to illegal sources - sources that could possibly be traced, watched, overseen. Or he would have to go deeper online and those transactions could be monitored. "Hm, some guy in Aurora is buying guns, tons of ammo and kevlar - plus bomb-making ingredients and tear gas. Maybe we should check that out."

But that won't happen as long as all that activity is legal and unrestricted.

I have been reading on and off as advocates for these weapons make their excuses all day long. Guns don't kill - people do. Well if that's correct, I go with @BrooklynAvi, let them kill with tomatoes. Let them bring baseball bats, knives, even machetes --- a mob can deal with that.

There is no excuse for the propagation of these weapons. They are not guaranteed or protected by our constitution. If they were, then we could all run out and purchase a tank, a grenade launcher, a bazooka, a SCUD missile and a nuclear warhead. We could stockpile napalm and chemical weapons and bomb-making materials in our cellars under our guise of being a militia.

These weapons are military weapons. They belong in accountable hands, controlled hands and trained hands. They should not be in the hands of private citizens to be used against police, neighborhood intruders or people who don't agree with you. These are the weapons that maniacs acquire to wreak murder and mayhem on innocents. They are not the same as handguns to help homeowners protect themselves from intruders. They are not the same as hunting rifles or sporting rifles. These weapons are designed for harm and death on big scales.

SO WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM? WHY DO YOU NOT, AT LEAST, AGREE TO SIT WITH REASONABLE PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDES AND ASK HARD QUESTIONS AND LOOK AT HARD STATISTICS AND POSSIBLY MAKE SOME COMPROMISES FOR THE GREATER GOOD? SO THAT MOTHERS AND FATHERS AND CHILDREN ARE NOT SLAUGHTERED QUITE SO EASILY BY THESE MONSTERS? HOW CAN IT HURT TO STOP DEFENDING THESE THINGS AND AT LEAST CONSIDER HOW WE CAN ALL WORK TO TRY TO PREVENT ANOTHER DAY LIKE YESTERDAY?

We will not prevent every tragedy. We cannot stop every maniac. But we certainly have done ourselves no good by allowing these particular weapons to be acquired freely by just about anyone.

I'll say it plainly - if someone wants these weapons, they intend to use them. And if they are willing to force others to "pry it from my cold, dead hand", then they are probably planning on using them on people.

So, sorry those of you who tell me I'm an actor, or a has-been or an idiot or a commie or a liberal and that I should shut up. You can not watch my stuff, you can unfollow and you can call me all the names you like. I may even share some of them with my global audience so everyone can get a little taste of who you are.

But this is not the time for reasonable people, on both sides of this issue, to be silent. We owe it to the people whose lives were ended and ruined yesterday to insist on a real discussion and hopefully on some real action.

In conclusion, whoever you are and wherever you stand on this issue, I hope you have the joy of family with you today. Hold onto them and love them as best you can. Tell them what they mean to you. Yesterday, a whole bunch of them went to the movies and tonight their families are without them. Every day is precious. Every life is precious. Take care. Be well. Be safe. God bless.

Jason Alexander

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

 

[licensed to ball]

All I know is anyone in that theater that sacrificed their life for anyone else didn't deserve to die that way. They are all heros in my book.
Whether it was someone who jumped in front of their daughter, son, boyfriend, girlfriend, dad, mom, or friend...the fact is some people in that theater did something that not many of us will ever realistically do...and that is giving their life to save someone else. Instead of arguing about why there was a baby in the theater or about some other nonsense, we should start recognizing who these people were and try to help and support the people who these heroic people saved.

I wish I could do something to help those families who lost someone in that theater. I will patiently wait for the appropriate foundations or charities to be put together to make a contribution to those people who have to now live their life without their loved ones. I am not rich, but I will try to do whatever I can to help.

It's not fair, its just not fair at all.

 

[dsguru]

This was a very sad event... Now everywhere I go, all I can think about is how safe is it to be here? There can be someone like James Holmes anywhere you go! R.I.P. to the people that lost their lives..

 

[pepperjackchees]

Jason Alexander went in 

 

[jetsetr]

Sad this had to happen...at least he didn't kill himself and get an easy way out...

 

[q46tothee]

^It's not idiotic or questionable.  They took their children to a movie theater like families do every day.  
Not a bar or some place where children undoubtedly shouldn't be...

Yes, parents take their kids to movies every damn day. However, I will question parenting skills based off of the movies they choose to take their kids to and the time in which the movie is being show. There is no way you can justify a 4 month old, a 4 year old, and a 6 year old being at a midnight screening of Batman.

a packed disney movie at midnight with loud music/gunshots/explosions. (from the movie not the shooter)
doesn't make sense either way

Disney would never have a kid-aimed midnight release.

 

[langfor5]

No emotion. Seemed very 'bored.' At one point it looked like he almost fell asleep.

 

[futuremd]

I'm always amazed that they manage to get these guys out alive.

You'd think you hear about a cop just letting some shots go once everyone cleared out. 

 

[coolnclutch]

Unfortunately, even when he gets the death penalty, won't it still take a few years before he actually gets executed?

 

[licensed to ball]

Unfortunately, even when he gets the death penalty, won't it still take a few years before he actually gets executed?

Yes, but it's almost certain he won't live to see that day if you catch my drift. Even prisoners who were convicted of horrible crimes themselves have a moral limit (at least they would think so), which is why they don't tolerate any sexual predators, rapists or child abusers inside prison. This should pretty much be considered worse in their eyes, killing a bunch of innocent children and women. You gotta think that they will have it out for this guy from the first second he arrives...

 

[langfor5]

Unfortunately, even when he gets the death penalty, won't it still take a few years before he actually gets executed?

Which is why you have to sit down w/ the families and decide what you want to go for. For instance at the Bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in OKC they sat down w/ the families and asked them what they wanted to do- life or death penalty. If a death penalty was asked for the trial could take well over a year to complete.

In Colorado there is an individual who has been on death row for 19 years after he was found guilty and sentenced to the death penalty.

 

[mastamind89]

What I don't get is his behavior following the incident. It isn't consistent with him blazing up the place, going quietly, AND telling police about his crib. Something ain't adding up.

Well...if there was a second shooter...it could provide as a distraction, that person would be out of country by now

 

[futuremd]

Won't be that far of a trip for him to ADX Florence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Penitentiary,_Florence_ADX

 

[Lunden]

Yes, but it's almost certain he won't live to see that day if you catch my drift. Even prisoners who were convicted of horrible crimes themselves have a moral limit (at least they would think so), which is why they don't tolerate any sexual predators, rapists or child abusers inside prison. This should pretty much be considered worse in their eyes, killing a bunch of innocent children and women. You gotta think that they will have it out for this guy from the first second he arrives...

he is what you considered a high profile he wont be in GP (general population)

he will be on 23 hour lock down with 2 marshals with him most of the time for extra protection

my uncle works in a prison that has hosted Big Meech and a lot of other high profile inmates and this has always been issue

 

[langfor5]

Won't be that long of a trip for him to ADX Florence

If that is where they are keeping him its about 2 hrs away from the courthouse.

 

[maddog345]

I think Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff did time in ADX.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

thoughts?

 

[jd214]

That pen has a few big names in there.

Isn't Larry Hoover locked up in that pen?

Two drug Kingpins, Francisco Javier Arrellano Felix and Juan Abrego are both serving life sentences in that pen.

 

[goldenchild9]

100% accurate.

Dude is a psychotic monster, not a troubled genius.