2008 NT Boxing Post Vol. Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao 12/6/08 HBO PPV

[theprofessorofpugilism]

Nothin i really like for that fight. Nothing jumps out at me one way or the other. The only possible one i could see is a couple bucks on Hopkins at +225 for avalue bet, but that one doesn't even sit right with me. i'm just gonna stay away from that fight, don't wanna force any action.

 

[gunna get it]

[h1]Mayweather's crossover is money[/h1]
By Kevin Iole


Undefeated welterweight champi…
AFP - Mar 21, 9:30 am EDT





Floyd Mayweather Jr. and advisor Leonard Ellerbe were strolling through a Smith's Food & Drug grocery store in Las Vegas not long ago. As they were pushing their shopping cart and minding their own business, the well-to-do young African-American men were interrupted by a pair of decidedly middle-class elderly white women.

The women giggled as they asked Mayweather if he would mind posing for a photograph with them.

"We love you on 'Dancing with the Stars,' " Ellerbe recalls one of the women saying to Mayweather.

As they walked away, a wide grin creased Mayweather's face. He turned to Ellerbe, his best friend and de facto manager, and shook his head.

"Leonard, now I know I've crossed over," Mayweather said.

He's arguably the biggest attraction in combat sports. He is part of the best-selling bout in boxing history and his appearance at WrestleMania 24 on Sunday in Orlando, Fla., was such a hit, Ellerbe says, that the wrestling pay-per-view record of 1.25 million is expected to be topped.

In the past year, Mayweather had a prominent role on a hit television series. He was part of a boxing match that sold the unheard-of number of 2.4 million pay-per-view subscriptions. He followed that with sales of 900,000 for his bout with Ricky Hatton, a man who was making his pay-per-view debut in the U.S. and whose American television ratings had been tepid, at best.

Mark Taffet, HBO's senior vice president of sports operations and pay-per-view, said Mayweather has created a strong urban pay-per-view market. In only five pay-per-view bouts in his career, Mayweather already ranks fifth all-time with 4.3 million subscriptions sold and soon will overtake former heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis for fourth place.

He appeared on the "Today Show" and "Larry King Live." He participated in the NBA All-Star weekend activities. He became fast friends with Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, one of the country's richest men. He'll be featured in an upcoming spread in "GQ" magazine.

He fulfilled everything - and more - that promoter Bob Arum thought he could be upon signing him to a promotional contract following the 1996 Olympics.

Except, Mayweather did everything he could to make things difficult for Arum. He bitterly resented Arum's attempts to cast him in the mold as the next Sugar Ray Leonard or Oscar De La Hoya

By 1996, Arum had built a deserved reputation as the best promoter to develop a young prospect not only into a champion, but also into a superstar. The advice he was giving Mayweather was textbook.

Even Mayweather's lawyer, John Hornewer, concedes Arum was providing the correct advice: Be congenial, be accessible and let the public marvel at your prodigious talents.

"(Ellerbe) was very insistent, based upon Floyd's direction, that the way to market Floyd was to the urban crowd, to the hip-hop market," Hornewer said. "Leonard was very insistent that that was not only the way they should go, but that it was the way they would go. Bob and (Top Rank president) Todd (duBoef) had worked with Floyd the way they had worked with Oscar, but that mold wasn't working.

"Historically, the African-American market hadn't responded to pay-per-view. Bob understood this based on many, many years in the industry. It wasn't a market that was untapped, it was a market that didn't exist. They were telling Floyd, 'Look, we've accrued this data over the years and you can see it for yourself.' But Floyd wouldn't have it."

He spent many years feuding with Arum, in essence submarining promotions because he wouldn't cooperate. Arum took the approach with Mayweather of fishing where the fish are, but Mayweather was surly and unapproachable to all but a few.

By the time Mayweather turned pro, data was proving conclusively that boxing was becoming more and more a Hispanic-supported and driven business.


British Ricky Hatton (R) takes…
AFP - Mar 27, 1:04 pm EDT

And, a decade earlier, Mayweather's uncle, Roger, had earned the nickname, "The Mexican Assassin," for beating a series of Mexican stars. There was much money to be made for Mayweather in beating up the Mexican icons.

But Mayweather, who is now the No. 1 ranked fighter in the Yahoo! Sports monthly poll, always believed in his own greatness and rebelled at the thought of being the next Ray Leonard.

"Floyd never wanted to be the next Sugar Ray, he always wanted to be the first Floyd Mayweather," Ellerbe said. "He wanted to make his own way, not do what somebody else had done. Instead of him saying, 'Hey, I want to be like Sugar Ray Leonard,' Floyd was saying, 'When I'm done, I want kids to dream to be the next Floyd Mayweather.' "

Mayweather parted ways with Top Rank after a successful pay-per-view bout with Zab Judah on April 8, 2006. By that point, Ellerbe had long been planting seeds in the hip-hop community that were beginning to germinate.

The pay-per-view bout against Judah did surprisingly well, drawing nearly 400,000 buys. That was a good number for any boxing match, but extraordinary for a bout featuring a star in just his second pay-per-view match against an unpopular fighter coming off a desultory loss.


In this photo released by Hard…
AP - Mar 26, 2:50 pm EDT

Mayweather had long since proven himself a genius in the ring, but the results of the Judah bout at the box office were proof of the genius of his promotional instincts.

"Floyd is great at playing a role, as he proved in WrestleMania, but when he was being asked to play the role of Oscar or Sugar Ray Leonard, it simply wasn't within him," Hornewer said. "This hip-hop role, that is what his essence is. It's a role he embraces and plays well. If you take his essence and put it forward, you find a whole new marketplace to embrace.

"And the funny thing is, Floyd was saying this all along. His vision for how he should have been marketed turns out to be correct.'

DuBoef, though, doesn't accept the idea that Mayweather's model won out over Top Rank's model. He said Top Rank never rejected the idea of marketing Mayweather to an urban crowd, but simply urged him to broaden his appeal.

He said he didn't understand why it was wrong to want to make Mayweather appeal to all demographics.

"I've always bought the idea that if Floyd felt he should have been pushed to the hip-hop crowd, we should go to the hip-hop crowd," duBoef said. "My only thing was, don't limit yourself to just that crowd. Go for all demos. Appeal to the old crowd, the Hispanic crowd, the rich crowd, all of them, not just one."

Mayweather's base is clearly expanding, just as he predicted many years ago it would. He's a star of the biggest proportions in the hip-hop world, but his appearance on "Dancing with the Stars" and his performance at WrestleMania have helped put him in front of an audience that would have never paid attention before.

Now, they will.

And not all for the same reasons.

"Floyd doesn't need 100 percent of the fan base to love him and he's never cared about that," Ellerbe said. "If they do, great. But he knows he has a large and growing base of people who love him and support him to the end. There's another good-sized group out there who buy his fights who can't stand him and pay in the hopes of seeing him lose. We're fine with that, because at the end of the day, they've put their money down and they're paying customers.

"Come to see him win, or come to see him lose. We don't care. Just come to see him."

The WWE isn't expected to release pay-per-view results until next week, though Ellerbe said he was told the show has already done better than the previous record of 1.25 million sales.

That, combined with the 2.4 million sales he did for his fight last May with De La Hoya and the 900,000 he did for his Dec. 10 fight with Hatton mean he's averaged at least 1.5 million buys in his last three pay-per-view outings.

Put that into perspective: There have been only five boxing matches in history - Mayweather-De La Hoya in 2007, Lennox Lewis-Mike Tyson in 2002, Evander Holyfield-Tyson I and II in 1996 and 1997 and Tyson-Peter McNeeley in 1995 - that have ever sold 1.5 million or more on pay-per-view.

And yet, Mayweather is averaging that amount in his last three pay-per-view outings.

"If you followed boxing, who would have thought this four or five years ago?" Hornewer said. "But Floyd had that vision and that belief in himself and he never deviated. This is truly an amazing story."

 

[proshares]

Can't blame the man for making his money but eventually he's going to have to fight Cotto...that's if Cotto gets through his next 2 fights.

BTW who is fighting this Friday?

 

[jagshemash]

fightnews.com always has a good up-to-date schedule. Thanks for asking because I wanted to see the Clottey fight tomorrow and I completely forgot about it.

http://www.fightnews.com/schedulemm.shtml

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thursday, April 3 2008
Michael's Eighth Avenue, Glenn Burnie, Maryland
Darnell Wilson vs TBA (cruiserweight)
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Thursday, April 3 2008
New York City, New York
Yuri Foreman vs Saul Roman (super welterweight)
Joshua Clottey vs Jose Luis Cruz (welterweight)
Argenis Mendez vs Oscar De La Cruz (super featherweight)
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Friday, April 4 2008
Casino Morongo Resort/Spa, Cabazon, California
Jhonny Gonzalez vs TBA (bantamweight)
Jesus Chavez vs Daniel Jimenez (lightweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Friday, April 4 2008
Aarhus, Denmark
Allan Vester vs TBA (welterweight)
Fawaz Nasir vs TBA (super middleweight)
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Friday, April 4 2008
Twin River Events Center, Lincoln, Rhode Island
Joe Mesi vs Terry Smith (heavyweight)
Jason Estrada vs Lance Whitaker (heavyweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Friday, April 4 2008
Croation Club, Punchbowl, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Robert Medley vs Isaac Hlatswayo (welterweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Saturday, April 5 2008
Hilton Bayfront, St. Petersburg, Florida
Carlos Rivera vs Jose Laureano (super featherweight)
Gino Mclellan vs Juan Aguirre (light middleweight)
Keith Thurman vs Khalik Memminger (junior middleweight)
Lenroy Thomas vs Chris Jordan (heavyweight)
Jason Barnett vs Mujaheed Moore (heavyweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Saturday, April 5 2008
Coliseo Roberto Clemente, San Juan, Puerto Rico
Nelson Dieppa vs Ivan Calderon (WBO junior flyweight Championship)
Jose Lopez vs Juan Mercedes (super flyweight)
Wilfredo Negron vs Alexander de Jesus (junior weltweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Saturday, April 5 2008
Bolton Arena, Bolton, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Amir Khan vs Martin Kristjansen (lightweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Saturday, April 5 2008
TBA
Mike Strauss vs TBA (junior welterweight)
Jesse Lubash vs Abdul Blackburn (welterweight)
Luke Dent vs Jason Carter (super middleweight)
John Colvin vs Ralph Heller (middleweight)
Cory Tipple vs TBA (junior welterweight)
Todd Manning vs TBA (junior middleweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Saturday, April 5 2008
Casino Rama, Rama, Ontario, Canada
Steve Molitor vs Fernando Beltrán Jr (IBF super bantamweight championship)
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Saturday, April 5 2008
Casino of Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Sébastien Demers vs Matt Vanda (middleweight)
Adonis Stevenson vs Dhafir Smith (super middleweight)
Patrice L'Heureux vs Wade Lewis (heavyweight)
Manolis Plaitis vs Francisco Rios Gil (welterweight)
Walid Smichet vs Chris Archer (middleweight)
Benyamine Besmi vs Gundrick King (light welterweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Saturday, April 5 2008
Burg-Wächter Castello, Düsseldorf, Germany
Felix Sturm vs TBA (WBA middleweight championship)
Jürgen Brähmer vs Karim Bennama (super middleweight)
Julia Sahin vs TBA (junior flyweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Saturday, April 5 2008
Prairie Band Casino & Resort, Mayetta, Kansas
David Medina vs Victor Lares (middleweight)
Said Ouali vs Darien Ford (welterweight)
Cisse Salif vs Clinton Boldridge (heavyweight)
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Sunday, April 6 2008
Quezon City, Philippines
Gerry Penalosa vs Ratanachai Sor Vorapin (WBO batamweight championship)[/font]

 

[mayweathermiami]

all those pay per views dont mean %@*# until he beats cotto



however im not hating on him banking 60 mill in a year span.....pretty crazy for someone started out at 130 and was basically unheard of to none boxing fanstill may of last year



if cotto can build up his own following of fans(beating zab n mosley helped) i can see this fight happening early next year. i mean with hispanics being thestrongest ppv buyers and floyd doin damn near a 1 million buys buy himself. this fight can do some crazy numbers.

that fight would be ugly tho. i mean if it happened right now it would be a damn near shut out
you got a dude who likes to get hit and sacrifices taking a blow or two to open u up VS a guy with superior defense and a handspeed advantage

 

[gunna get it]

@#+ happened to the Clottey Fight?
Did I miss it ?

This Dude Mendez looks just like Zab Judah with that hat on

 

[proshares]

Jagshemash

http://Jagshemash.u.yuku.com
Thanks, ESPN doesn't show any of these fights and my guide is all messed up it's not going more than 2 hours in advance. What happened with Clottey? And is the Calderon fight going to be shown on any TV station?

 

[theprofessorofpugilism]

Yeah, Clottey ended up winning by a TKO in the 5th round. I don't know if it was on cuts or he actually hurt him, but Cruz had never been stopped before.

 

[lesgodsonc0]

At this point...fighting Cotto is all that is left for Floyd. It's a fight that the Welterweight division needs, that boxing needs, and it has to happenby 09. Bob Arum will make sure of that...TRUST.

Cotto already has a big following, and it will only continue to grow with his success. He stays active, and HBO loves him so that also helps.

Another little note, Cotto actually takes english lessons. Trinidad never even made the attempt to speak the language.

De La Hoya/Mayweather II isn't a fight that boxing needs, but I guess I can understand from a money/entertainment standpoint. I am grateful because it didbring worldwide attention to the sport of boxing and that is always a plus. The fight itself wasn't horrible, nor was it great but I wouldn't mindputting down $55 to see them do it again.

Moving on...

All this talk about Margarito and Williams being "avoided" boxers...what about Clottey? That's a dangerous fight for anybody at 147.

 

[proshares]

Cotto already has a big following, and it will only continue to grow with his success. He stays active, and HBO loves him so that also helps.

I can't understand how Floyd can say he fought Hatton because he had a whole country behind him and he had a solid fan base when Cotto has basically all ofPR behind him and can sell out the Garden with ease.

 

[theprofessorofpugilism]

Originally Posted by Proshares

Cotto already has a big following, and it will only continue to grow with his success. He stays active, and HBO loves him so that also helps.

I can't understand how Floyd can say he fought Hatton because he had a whole country behind him and he had a solid fan base when Cotto has basically all of PR behind him and can sell out the Garden with ease.

It's because the Garden is the only place Cotto can sell out like that. The British fans come over in waves, no matter where the fight is, and droptons of money on tickets, hotels, gambling, all that. Hotels know this, and put up a larger site bid for the fight, making the purses bigger, putting moremoney into Floyd's pocket.

 

[proshares]

It's because the Garden is the only place Cotto can sell out like that. The British fans come over in waves, no matter where the fight is, and drop tons of money on tickets, hotels, gambling, all that. Hotels know this, and put up a larger site bid for the fight, making the purses bigger, putting more money into Floyd's pocket.

I would be pretty confident in saying that if Cotto and Mayweather ever do fight in Las Vegas that there would be no shortage of Puerto Ricans or Cotto fansfor that matter. I don't think money is going to be something he'll have to worry about for that fight; he'll make plenty of it and every hotel onthe strip would bid for this fight. IMO I just think it's Floyd making more and more excuses not to fight Cotto. I'm not saying I think Cotto wouldbeat him because I don't, I just think Floyd doesn't want to fight him.

 

[gunna get it]

Im embaressed because I am not all that familiar with Clottey. I was hopin to catch the fight on versus, but when I turned it on no one mentioned it or evenshowed it.

I just think Floyd doesn't want to fight him.

I dont think Floyd is scared, but a fight with Cotto takes alot out of fighters. I think Money recognizes that.
I almost wanna see Cotto get out of character and call for Floyd to get in the ring after this Gomez tune up.

It would be the first time I rooted for the fighter opposite Floyd
Whereever that fight is going to be held, IM THERE, no ifs ands buts or maybes.

---

Lets pick up the pace in this thread, try somethin diff.
Superlatives.
Name the best "whatever it is" that you've ever seen from a fighter (could be anything)
I'll start.

Best Right Hand : Tommy Hearns
Best Defense: Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker

 

[bigmike23]

SAN FRANCISCO -- "Sugar" Shane Mosley is accusing convicted steroids dealer Victor Conte of slander for telling newspapers he saw the boxer knowingly inject steroids.

Mosley filed suit against Conte in federal court, accusing the founder of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative of making the allegedly false statements to boost book sales. Conte is planning to write a book about the steroids scandal now enveloping sports.

Conte says he stands by the comments he made to the newspapers.

Mosley, a former three-division world champion, has said he unwittingly used steroids produced by BALCO.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

 

[theprofessorofpugilism]

Originally Posted by Proshares

It's because the Garden is the only place Cotto can sell out like that. The British fans come over in waves, no matter where the fight is, and drop tons of money on tickets, hotels, gambling, all that. Hotels know this, and put up a larger site bid for the fight, making the purses bigger, putting more money into Floyd's pocket.

I would be pretty confident in saying that if Cotto and Mayweather ever do fight in Las Vegas that there would be no shortage of Puerto Ricans or Cotto fans for that matter. I don't think money is going to be something he'll have to worry about for that fight; he'll make plenty of it and every hotel on the strip would bid for this fight. IMO I just think it's Floyd making more and more excuses not to fight Cotto. I'm not saying I think Cotto would beat him because I don't, I just think Floyd doesn't want to fight him.

It's that there won't be a lot of money, of course there will be. At this point there is going to be a lot of money for Floyd against anyone, asevidenced by him getting 20 Mill to do Wrestlemania. It's that he can get even more from other fighters. When Cotto becomes the fight where Floyd canmake the most money from, he'll take it, and i think that in another year or so that'll happen.

Lets pick up the pace in this thread, try somethin diff.
Superlatives.
Name the best "whatever it is" that you've ever seen from a fighter (could be anything)
I'll start.

Best Right Hand : Tommy Hearns
Best Defense: Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker
I like it Gunna, i'll get a couple of mine out there
Best Performance against a Legend: Pernell Whitaker W12 Julio Cesar Chavez. I have never seen a better boxingperformance against a fighter of that caliber, especially when the boxer had zero pop as well. I don't care that the judges called it a draw, that is a Wfor Sweet Pea, end of story.
Best Display of Heart: Gatti-Ward 1, both guys. Corrales in Corrales-Castillo 1 is tough to pass up, but the heartshowed from both Gatti and Ward is something that leaves my jaw dropped everytime i stumble across that fight.
Best Jab: Larry Holmes. God Damn.
Best Impression of a Track Star: Andre Dirrell against Curtis Stevens. That boy Dirrell was flirtin with world recordtype speed the way he was motorin around that ring away from Stevens.

SAN FRANCISCO -- "Sugar" Shane Mosley is accusing convicted steroids dealer Victor Conte of slander for telling newspapers he saw the boxer knowingly inject steroids.

Mosley filed suit against Conte in federal court, accusing the founder of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative of making the allegedly false statements to boost book sales. Conte is planning to write a book about the steroids scandal now enveloping sports.

Conte says he stands by the comments he made to the newspapers.

Mosley, a former three-division world champion, has said he unwittingly used steroids produced by BALCO.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

Yo, the more and more i hear, the more i think Zab's got a good chance of springin the upset in this one.

 

[jagshemash]

Im embaressed because I am not all that familiar with Clottey. I was hopin to catch the fight on versus, but when I turned it on no one mentioned it or even showed it.
Versus is replaying the fight Saturday at 6:00 EST if you wanted to catch it...no other boxing on tomorrow night. Amo, the ref thought Cruz wastaking too much punishment and stopped the fight although it was likely a premature stop.

 

[stringer bell 32]

Nobody really wants anything to do with Clottey

 

[gunna get it]

Good Lookin Jag, Imma set the DVR before I leave.

Best Performance against a Legend: Pernell Whitaker W12 Julio Cesar Chavez. I have never seen a better boxing performance against a fighter of that caliber, especially when the boxer had zero pop as well. I don't care that the judges called it a draw, that is a W for Sweet Pea, end of story.

Virtuoso performance. Indeed a Sweet Pea W

Conte says he stands by the comments he made to the newspapers and calls the lawsuit "frivolous."

"This defamation lawsuit against me by Shane Mosley is nothing more than Marion Jones Part Two and I will vigorously defend myself in this case," Conte said in a statement. "I've been through this before and we all know how that matter turned out for Marion Jones. Mosley's lawsuit is simply another example of an athlete who is bringing a lawsuit for publicity purposes only. "

 

[proshares]

I dont think Floyd is scared, but a fight with Cotto takes alot out of fighters. I think Money recognizes that.
I almost wanna see Cotto get out of character and call for Floyd to get in the ring after this Gomez tune up.
It would be the first time I rooted for the fighter opposite Floyd
Whereever that fight is going to be held, IM THERE, no ifs ands buts or maybes.
I'm hoping for Cotto to do the same thing. If by some miracle the fight is in MSG I'm there but if it's in Vegas then I hope ithappens next year, I've planned all of my vacation days for the year already lol.

It's that there won't be a lot of money, of course there will be. At this point there is going to be a lot of money for Floyd against anyone, as evidenced by him getting 20 Mill to do Wrestlemania. It's that he can get even more from other fighters. When Cotto becomes the fight where Floyd can make the most money from, he'll take it, and i think that in another year or so that'll happen.

I get what you're saying and after De La Hoya it will the the fight where he'll make the most money from.

Lets pick up the pace in this thread, try somethin diff.
Superlatives.
Name the best "whatever it is" that you've ever seen from a fighter (could be anything)
I'll start.

Best Right Hand : Tommy Hearns
Best Defense: Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker
Best Left Hook: Joe Fraizer
Best Chin: Haggler (An overlooked one would be David Tua)

 

[gunna get it]

Oh Nah

what the hell...
I
why the hell did the Ref stop that ?
Not really too impressed with Clottey but dude was real unorthadox, so I'll give him a pass

 

[jagshemash]

Yea, he didn't look too impressive in that fight but thing is that he has proven himself when he's stepped up in competition. He schooled Margaritofor the first 4 rounds of their fight when he was hyped as "the most dangerous man in boxing" then he hurt is hand and lost a majority of the laterrounds. He virtually shut out Corrales and put him on the canvas twice and he was easily ahead on the scorecards against Baldomir until he got DQ'ed.

I'm not saying he's quite on the level of Mayweather or Cotto but I do believe he should get more credit since his name is rarely ever thrown in themix of top welterweights.

 

[stringer bell 32]

I felt Clottey would have beaten Margarito if he hadn't hurt his hand.

if I'm not mistaken he broke it

 

[stringer bell 32]

Originally Posted by Stringer Bell 32

June 28
At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): David Diaz vs. Manny Pacquiao, 12 rounds, for Diaz's WBC lightweight title

I'm flat out boycotting this PPV

June 28
At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): David Diaz vs. Manny Pacquiao, 12 rounds, for Diaz's WBC lightweight title; Tye Fields vs. Monte Barrett, 10 rounds, heavyweights

Did I mention I'm boycotting this PPV?

Terrible

 

[lesgodsonc0]

You and me both, String.

Oh, is that dude Tye Fields anything great? Arum hypes him up like he's the next big thing.

Best Display of Heart:

Fernando Vargas Vs. Felix Trinidad - That damn Trinidad, had it not been for those low-blows, Vargas would've took the fight...TRUST

Juan Manuel Marquez Vs. Manny Pacquiao - Enough said...

Diego Corrales Vs. Jose Luis Castillo - Read above...

Best Performance against a Legend: Pernell Whitaker W12 Julio Cesar Chavez
I remember that being my first REAL Boxing expierience. Oh, the words that came out of my father's mouththat night after the outcome...

to the 5th power.

 

[jagshemash]

Oh, is that dude Tye Fields anything great? Arum hypes him up like he's the next big thing.
He's pretty much the butt of all jokes within the online boxing community. I've seen him on Versus a couple times, he's OK. Prettymuch just been knocking out bums. Arum's just talking...