ADOS

[cashbanks]

thread is a **** show sadly but unsurprisingly

 

[gry60]

thread is a **** show sadly but unsurprisingly

Of course.

The sad part about this thread isn't that there is disagreement on whether ADOS deserve reparations; it's that some ADOS in here have chosen xenophobia to support the push for reparations.

 

[tay1]

thread is a **** show sadly but unsurprisingly

If folks didn't engage in usual NT behaviors, it wouldn't have gotten to this point. Thread started out with people making wrong assumptions about something they didn't know about, then the constant back and forth not on subject occurs until eventually it dies down.

 

[gry60]

If folks didn't engage in usual NT behaviors, it wouldn't have gotten to this point

It's not an NT problem.

I have been lurking the Coli, and none of the "no reparations, no vote" even seems aware that there is a bill in the House intended to study the question of repaprations that has been introduced every year by Congressman Conyers. That bill dies in committee every year, and passing it would put the issue front and center. But folks prefer outrage.

HR 40. Look it up.

 

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[tay1]

It's not an NT problem.

I have been lurking the Coli, and none of the "no reparations, no vote" even seems aware that there is a bill in the House intended to study the question of repaprations that has been introduced every year by Congressman Conyers. That bill dies in committee every year, and passing it would put the issue front and center. But folks prefer outrage.

HR 40. Look it up.

Heard of it. Nothing new to me

 

[wr]

Posted in the Black Culture thread
Along with

 

[ninjahood]

lipstick alley & coli goin haaaaaaaaaaaard in da paint for ADOS.

 

[gry60]

Heard of it. Nothing new to me

"This bill establishes the Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans to examine slavery and discrimination in the colonies and the United States from 1619 to the present and recommend appropriate remedies."

Yep. Sounds like the same old same old.

 

[hand2handking]

ADOS Folks: Are You Willing to Fight For/Die For What You Feel Is Owed To Us?

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/ado...r-die-for-what-you-feel-is-owed-to-us.695517/

and i say this because i feel like this:

Asking our oppressors to pay us for what they owe us simply will not work. These ************* done had their foot on our necks for 400 ************* years, and instead of fighting, we lay here and ask "could you please pay me for laying here breh? i deserve it for letting you treat me like **** for all these years!?

think about it..the bloodiest war in American was over MONEY (the Civil War), and these cacs died for what they believed in

look at the Mexican- American war, yes cacs took there land, but at least the mexicans fought for it

look at all the battles the natives had, and yes they lost, but they FOUGHT

and in all those situations, war was the LAST RESORT, but, WE NEVER EVEN HAD A FULL,ALL OUT WAR WITH THESE CACS, BUT YOU EXPECT THEM TO RESPECT US and our wishes??? man **** that, if you not willing to fight & die for this **** then they not gonna respect it.

 

[tay1]

Carnell discussing reparations in the beginning and how it is not JUST a cash payment. Also the goal
Is not to suppress the ados or black vote. Rather the agenda is to influence the black vote

 

[hand2handking]

I Reject Anti-Immigration Sentiment Towards African Peoples as "Tom Petty" & Counterproductive

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/i-r...eoples-as-tom-petty-counterproductive.601292/

As an African American I reject Anti-immigration sentiment towards African peoples as "tom petty" & counterproductive

There has been intermittent talk surrounding...

• DACA Immigration issues(specifically illegal in kind)
• The primacy of "descendants of slaves" as relates to access to resources within the U.S.(basically regurgitated talking points from Antonio Moore & Yvette Carnell)
• The extent to which African Americans "descendants of slaves" should engage in action as regards DACA(basically regurgitated talking points(#HYON) from Tariq Nasheed)

• When Yvette goes into her socialist grab bag and start doing Marxist-Leninist"class analysis" etc etc I tune out. I don't subscribe Hegel-Marxist-Leninist analytical frame works to process aspects of social phenomena.
• Antonio Moore I've actually sent him a message via youtube(he didn't answer) detailing my issues with the way he defines/uses "wealth" in his analysis.

After not getting an answer to my objections/exceptions to his thought process I cut them out of my cognitive circle by and large.
First off, any position I give is through the matrix of the position that we should be pushing to build our own as opposed to looking for cacs to "give" us.
With that said, In general I hold the same position as Booker T Washington...



"Africans in America had not yet received anything free yet had toiled on it's soil, and so if Africans abroad had a chance at opportunity afforded by their African brethren in America, they should be more than welcome."
- Booker T Washington, 1915

Our ancestors already fought this fight.
Immigration Act of 1917 - Wikipedia

The U.S. already tried to exclude other "African Peoples" from the U.S. ...and by extension access to the spoils of what the "descendants of slaves" fought for. Those same "descendants of slaves" successfully fought back against those attempts by the government. Put another way, access to the spoils of our fight ...has been part of our fight.



Pages. 22 - 23




AAME :


Page. 213







Now the position can be made ...

• "well, they were wrong"
• To which I say "....ok"
• Change the laws / culture then.

But understand that the current configuration where African people throughout the world can come to the U.S. and have access to the same spoils as "descendants of slaves" is the deliberate product of our ancestors fighting for it to be that way. ...and people who value that "product" like myself and others will fight you on it

 

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[sharpshooter718]

Talib kweli is on twitter right now say #ADOS works for trump...

Talib is obviously pro black but he says alot of questionable ****..

Thoughts??

 

[ninjahood]

where's da asian poll?

 

[tay1]

Talib kweli is on twitter right now say #ADOS works for trump...

Talib is obviously pro black but he says alot of questionable ****..

Thoughts??

He still arguing? Yeah bruh is exposing himself.

 

[gry60]

where's da asian poll?

Irrelevant in terms of history and demographic numbers.

 

[hand2handking]

The Fatal Failures of the #ADOS Phenomenon
This Medium post is derived from the Instagram post above.

As a descendant of Africans enslaved in the United States, I felt an ancestral compulsion and duty to stand against the emerging “ADOS” (“American Descendants of Slaves,” or sometimes “American Descendants of Slavery”) / “AADOS” (“African-American Descendants of Slaves,” or sometimes “African-American Descendants of Slavery”) / “DOS” (“Descendants of Slaves,” or sometimes “Descendants of Slavery”) crowd, spearheaded by the likes of Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore and latched onto by hangers-on such as Tariq Nasheed in recent years.

Yvette Carnell, a leading figure of the emerging ADOS crowd.

I briefly touched on most egregious core problems with the “ADOS” phenomenon in the Instagram post at the top of this article, and the text from each slide is provided below, in order.

If you came face to face with your enslaved ancestors, would you call each of them a “slave” to their faces? If the answer is no, you should not use this “ADOS” term or any variation of it. If the answer is yes, that speaks volumes about where you are at mentally.

First things first — I wish we as an entire collective respected our ancestors more than to refer to them in such a reductive manner as “slaves.” They were people — Africans — forced into a condition of enslavement.

If you came face to face with your enslaved ancestors, would you call each of them a “slave” to their faces? If the answer is no, you should not use this “ADOS” term or any variation of it. If the answer is yes, that speaks volumes about where you are at mentally.

While the “ADOS” crowd is increasingly loud and vocal on social media, I trust that the masses of our people are wise enough to not walk around calling themselves this. It is ignorant and dehumanizing not only to us, but also our ancestors.

And while we are descended from Africans who were forced into slavery (and we should always honor, remember, and fight for them), we are also descended from warriors, herbalists, scholars, thinkers, and more, just as much (and this isn’t to say that our ancestors stopped being these things once enslaved). To define ourselves solely through an atrocity that was perpetrated against us is mind-bogglingly backwards.

In my personal debates with members of the “ADOS” crowd, they’ve argued that they *are* fighting for their ancestors.

My question is, which ancestors?

Why does your ancestral identity extend into the past only as far back as the perimeters of plantations?

Why do you, through your lack of acknowledgement, concern, and interest, forsake your ancestors from the countless generations and millennia prior to the last few centuries?

At what point are you cutting them off?

At the first generation that was brought to these shores in the bellies of ships?

Many in the crowd will claim that we no longer have a meaningful connection to Africa.

However, any number of our cultural practices have clear origins in our ancestral cultures, from our music to our food to our hairstyles.

And, in 2019, it is easier than ever to learn and reconnect in those aspects where the Maafa caused a disconnect.

Do not mistake your blind spots for the actual reality.

On a related note, they will argue that continental Africans and other diasporic groups immigrate to the U.S. and disrespect us with slurs, promote harmful stereotypes about us, etc.

It would be incorrect to deny there are a considerable number of individuals guilty of this, and I myself have challenged folks on this on social media.

However, no one is entirely innocent.

White supremacist efforts have spread misinformation in all directions, whether it be, as examples, American media that historically caused (and for many, still does) us to think that Africa was a “savage continent” or in American media and government propaganda that encourages continental and diasporic immigrants to the U.S. to see us as criminal, lazy, etc.

To use these instances to argue for a divorce from Africa and the diaspora in favor of the white supremacists we are presently ruled by, and to express the most foul xenophobia, is absurd.

Now, onto some fatal political shortcomings with their line.

The United States is a settler colonial empire founded on the twin pillars of 1)Indigenous genocide and ethnic cleansing and 2) the denial of African humanity and the exploitation of African labor and bodies.

The impetus for the American War for Independence was settler hunger for stealing more Native lands and the fear that Britain was moving towards the abolition of slavery.

Today, the U.S. is the world’s leading imperialist power and the guarantor of global White supremacy.

What the “DOS” crowd effectively looks to do, then, is throw our ancestors under the bus, along with brothers and sisters on the continent and elsewhere in the diaspora, to lock arms with the descendants of our enslavers, those who currently cage and murder us.

Their gripe is that we have not been full and equal members of the American settler-slaver project that has been ongoing since 1776. Their goal is to get a check or some other material benefit in an effort to become fuller and more equal members in that project.

It is an unequivocal “yes” that descendants of those who were enslaved in the U.S. are deserving of reparations, and that as a group we have a unique justice claim that needs to be fulfilled. The problem is that the “DOS” crowd has failed to a) think through the political implications and dynamics of what this means, and b) conduct even a modicum of research into the existing fight for reparations!

Had they put forth the proper effort and done the proper research to orient themselves in the struggle, they would be familiar with figures, organizations, and movements such as Queen Mother Moore, "); Gaidi and Imari Obadele, the New Afrikan Independence Movement and the Republic of New Afrika, and N’COBRA, all leaders in the fight for reparations for decades.

They would know that the concept they are inadequately trying to construct — the concept that there isn’t just some amorphous, undifferentiated mass of “Black people” in the U.S., and that those whose ancestors were enslaved and built this country constitute a distinct group with a unique justice claim — already exists and has a long history in the international reparations movement.

The term is “descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States” — DAEUS — a term that preserves and honors our ancestral identity, experience, and humanity.

Why does your ancestral identity extend into the past only as far back as the perimeters of plantations?

Having touched on the “slave” aspect of the self-identification, I want to now briefly touch on the “American” aspect. Our ancestors were forcibly dragged here, enslaved, and then made second-class citizens of a settler-slaver state.

The American nation — a nation being a body of people *united* by common descent, culture, language, and history and *understanding* of history — is committed to settler-slaver politics, White supremacy, and global imperialism, and we are made aware of the fact that we are not a part of said nation by police terrorism, the criminal (in)justice system, environmental racism, and hostility from all sectors of American society. Were this not the case, there would be close to unanimous agreement among everyone living in the U.S. on how the history of slavery and ongoing racism is understood. The nonexistence of that agreement is self-evident.

The descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States constitute our own nation of people, with a definite history, culture, and political destiny.

Our foreparents worked in 1968 at the National Black Government Conference in Detroit (see here and here to read more) to explore our historical identity and experience and develop a framework for us to not only understand that identity and experience, but also propel us forward for liberation. We are New Afrikans.

As a closing observation, this emerging “DOS” crowd highlights much of what is wrong with social media and the rise of fake news, fake or incomplete history, and simplistic narratives.

In this case, it is driven by unqualified, poorly informed, and shamefully opportunistic YouTube personalities, and is not rooted in any liberatory tradition, only hashtag folly.

And when you are not firmly rooted, you are liable to fall for anything.

 

[tay1]

He/she didn't really say much tbh

 

[VARNELL HILL]

 

[All Ready]

The Fatal Failures of the #ADOS Phenomenon
This Medium post is derived from the Instagram post above.

you know what else is dehumanizing?

being forced into slavery

what alotta people don’t get is most slaves weren’t brought to america, they were already here...aboriginal

the land and resources were taken, that’s the whole point of the movement

people really going outta their way to pretend like they don’t understand this

that entire diatribe was tired and baseless in what the cause is truly for

 

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[gry60]

It is an unequivocal “yes” that descendants of those who were enslaved in the U.S. are deserving of reparations, and that as a group we have a unique justice claim that needs to be fulfilled. The problem is that the “DOS” crowd has failed to a) think through the political implications and dynamics of what this means, and b) conduct even a modicum of research into the existing fight for reparations!

Had they put forth the proper effort and done the proper research to orient themselves in the struggle, they would be familiar with figures, organizations, and movements such as Queen Mother Moore, "); Gaidi and Imari Obadele, the New Afrikan Independence Movement and the Republic of New Afrika, and N’COBRA, all leaders in the fight for reparations for decades.

This.

 

[hand2handking]