Breaking News: Derrick Rose named 2010-2011 MVP

Originally Posted by LDJ

Originally Posted by sthebest


Man the Rose hate in here from the Lebronze Stans is sickening
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D. Rose had a HELL of a season and this award is much deserved. He has worked hard to get his game to where it is now and put the Bulls on his back. Rose makes his entire team look good, which is what a MVP should do. Lebron, while amazing, didnt have as great of a season as D. Rose did. If Lebron was truly a dependable clutch, his Heat wouldn't have lost every game they played against the Bulls. Don't even get me started on Dwight Howard and why he shouldnt have gotten the award (technicals and a first round playoff exit top this list).

Let's face it..this is Derrick's season to shine
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   True rose makes the most highlights, things candid basketball fans like. But again their success is contingent on defense. Its funny that you mentioned clutch and then followed with the fact they swept the series. If you watched those games it was close in every match up (one in which bron wasnt apart of) And it was clutch defensive plays that got them the wins. In which had nothing to do with what rose did offensively. Yea it was his offense that made those matchups close (although none of those games were even great offensively for him, with the exception of the first game). But again every chance/opportunity heat had to takeover it was DEFENSE/TEAM DEFENSE that held the heat back. Rose making fancy circus shots and incredible cross overs wasnt the reason the heat couldnt dominate the boards, get second shots, reduced to take perimeter shots.

I mean im happy for dude to win. But it seems alot of you based on comments didnt even watch most or any of his games into recently if at all, And just basing opinions on nba gametime/sports center/inside the nba highlights.
I wonder if all you guys using stats to make your case for LBJ as MVP were making the same case for T-MAC in Orlando?

P.S. Pippen only got the Bulls to the Eastern Conference semifinals not the Conference Finals.
 
Originally Posted by LDJ

Originally Posted by sthebest


Man the Rose hate in here from the Lebronze Stans is sickening
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D. Rose had a HELL of a season and this award is much deserved. He has worked hard to get his game to where it is now and put the Bulls on his back. Rose makes his entire team look good, which is what a MVP should do. Lebron, while amazing, didnt have as great of a season as D. Rose did. If Lebron was truly a dependable clutch, his Heat wouldn't have lost every game they played against the Bulls. Don't even get me started on Dwight Howard and why he shouldnt have gotten the award (technicals and a first round playoff exit top this list).

Let's face it..this is Derrick's season to shine
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   True rose makes the most highlights, things candid basketball fans like. But again their success is contingent on defense. Its funny that you mentioned clutch and then followed with the fact they swept the series. If you watched those games it was close in every match up (one in which bron wasnt apart of) And it was clutch defensive plays that got them the wins. In which had nothing to do with what rose did offensively. Yea it was his offense that made those matchups close (although none of those games were even great offensively for him, with the exception of the first game). But again every chance/opportunity heat had to takeover it was DEFENSE/TEAM DEFENSE that held the heat back. Rose making fancy circus shots and incredible cross overs wasnt the reason the heat couldnt dominate the boards, get second shots, reduced to take perimeter shots.

I mean im happy for dude to win. But it seems alot of you based on comments didnt even watch most or any of his games into recently if at all, And just basing opinions on nba gametime/sports center/inside the nba highlights.
I wonder if all you guys using stats to make your case for LBJ as MVP were making the same case for T-MAC in Orlando?

P.S. Pippen only got the Bulls to the Eastern Conference semifinals not the Conference Finals.
 
sthebest wrote:
Originally Posted by LDJ

sthebest wrote:
Man the Rose hate in here from the Lebronze Stans is sickening
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D. Rose had a HELL of a season and this award is much deserved. He has worked hard to get his game to where it is now and put the Bulls on his back. Rose makes his entire team look good, which is what a MVP should do. Lebron, while amazing, didnt have as great of a season as D. Rose did. If Lebron was truly a dependable clutch, his Heat wouldn't have lost every game they played against the Bulls. Don't even get me started on Dwight Howard and why he shouldnt have gotten the award (technicals and a first round playoff exit top this list).

Let's face it..this is Derrick's season to shine
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   True rose makes the most highlights, things candid basketball fans like. But again their success is contingent on defense. Its funny that you mentioned clutch and then followed with the fact they swept the series. If you watched those games it was close in every match up (one in which bron wasnt apart of) And it was clutch defensive plays that got them the wins. In which had nothing to do with what rose did offensively. Yea it was his offense that made those matchups close (although none of those games were even great offensively for him, with the exception of the first game). But again every chance/opportunity heat had to takeover it was DEFENSE/TEAM DEFENSE that held the heat back. Rose making fancy circus shots and incredible cross overs wasnt the reason the heat couldnt dominate the boards, get second shots, reduced to take perimeter shots.

I mean im happy for dude to win. But it seems alot of you based on comments didnt even watch most or any of his games into recently if at all, And just basing opinions on nba gametime/sports center/inside the nba highlights.


I watched those games and I can honestly say that D. Rose was the reason they won those games. Boozer was good for a good portion of the season, and even if he was playing he has no defense. Luol Deng was a above average player at best before this season and Derrick's motivation in turn inspired him to be a much better player. Korver wouldnt be hitting all those clutch shots if it weren't for D. Rose's assists. You also must realize that D. Rose is 6'2" and is murking most of the league when it comes to in-the-paint shots (not so much in the Playoffs though). Not to mention that the Bulls never lost back to back games all season long and almost went undefeteaded in their division. Impressive considering their low win margin last season.

On the subject of Lebron, I do not feel that he didnt add as much to his team as Rose did for the Bulls this season. I can't even call dude a second coming of Pippen because Pippen at least got his team to the Easter Conference Finals without Jordan in a era of Hall of Fame players. If you take Lebron away from the Heat, they would not be noticeably worse as the Bulls would be without Rose,

  

True Pooh did add more to his team from a offensive standpoint. A go to guy for scoring that they desperately needed. In seasons past they were always a playoff team, purely off the fact that they were in the top 5 defensively. A stat that isnt a reflection on Rose improved offense. I mean when comparing both teams both were playoff teams without them. With deng he is alot like a pippen. Deng is the same offensive player he was before Rose. He wasnt and still isnt a lead go to offensive guy, which before Rose thats what was asked of him and/or ben gordon, and like pippen he is better at being a player to be defered to.

As far as Lebron he lead his team of scrubs which is aparent with the season after his departure. To record 2 league leading seasons and a finals run. And Pippen bulls>trumps all over any squad Lebron played with. Heat without Lebron would still be a playoff team just purely off wade and bosh. But in the same sense so would bulls because of there defense. Evidence in the fact that before he was there they were a playoff team(took a championship celtics to 7 games). Bulls were a great defensive team with a mediocre offense, with the improvement of Rose offensively they went to a great defensive team with closer go to guy who can put the ball in the bucket if needed with the game on the line.

So yes he made a bigger impact on his team. Simply because he maybe one of the only offensive threats they have. But he isnt the identity of the team. Team deffense is. Something they were great before his emerge as a superstar player, hell before he was even on the bulls.
  
 
sthebest wrote:
Originally Posted by LDJ

sthebest wrote:
Man the Rose hate in here from the Lebronze Stans is sickening
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D. Rose had a HELL of a season and this award is much deserved. He has worked hard to get his game to where it is now and put the Bulls on his back. Rose makes his entire team look good, which is what a MVP should do. Lebron, while amazing, didnt have as great of a season as D. Rose did. If Lebron was truly a dependable clutch, his Heat wouldn't have lost every game they played against the Bulls. Don't even get me started on Dwight Howard and why he shouldnt have gotten the award (technicals and a first round playoff exit top this list).

Let's face it..this is Derrick's season to shine
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   True rose makes the most highlights, things candid basketball fans like. But again their success is contingent on defense. Its funny that you mentioned clutch and then followed with the fact they swept the series. If you watched those games it was close in every match up (one in which bron wasnt apart of) And it was clutch defensive plays that got them the wins. In which had nothing to do with what rose did offensively. Yea it was his offense that made those matchups close (although none of those games were even great offensively for him, with the exception of the first game). But again every chance/opportunity heat had to takeover it was DEFENSE/TEAM DEFENSE that held the heat back. Rose making fancy circus shots and incredible cross overs wasnt the reason the heat couldnt dominate the boards, get second shots, reduced to take perimeter shots.

I mean im happy for dude to win. But it seems alot of you based on comments didnt even watch most or any of his games into recently if at all, And just basing opinions on nba gametime/sports center/inside the nba highlights.


I watched those games and I can honestly say that D. Rose was the reason they won those games. Boozer was good for a good portion of the season, and even if he was playing he has no defense. Luol Deng was a above average player at best before this season and Derrick's motivation in turn inspired him to be a much better player. Korver wouldnt be hitting all those clutch shots if it weren't for D. Rose's assists. You also must realize that D. Rose is 6'2" and is murking most of the league when it comes to in-the-paint shots (not so much in the Playoffs though). Not to mention that the Bulls never lost back to back games all season long and almost went undefeteaded in their division. Impressive considering their low win margin last season.

On the subject of Lebron, I do not feel that he didnt add as much to his team as Rose did for the Bulls this season. I can't even call dude a second coming of Pippen because Pippen at least got his team to the Easter Conference Finals without Jordan in a era of Hall of Fame players. If you take Lebron away from the Heat, they would not be noticeably worse as the Bulls would be without Rose,

  

True Pooh did add more to his team from a offensive standpoint. A go to guy for scoring that they desperately needed. In seasons past they were always a playoff team, purely off the fact that they were in the top 5 defensively. A stat that isnt a reflection on Rose improved offense. I mean when comparing both teams both were playoff teams without them. With deng he is alot like a pippen. Deng is the same offensive player he was before Rose. He wasnt and still isnt a lead go to offensive guy, which before Rose thats what was asked of him and/or ben gordon, and like pippen he is better at being a player to be defered to.

As far as Lebron he lead his team of scrubs which is aparent with the season after his departure. To record 2 league leading seasons and a finals run. And Pippen bulls>trumps all over any squad Lebron played with. Heat without Lebron would still be a playoff team just purely off wade and bosh. But in the same sense so would bulls because of there defense. Evidence in the fact that before he was there they were a playoff team(took a championship celtics to 7 games). Bulls were a great defensive team with a mediocre offense, with the improvement of Rose offensively they went to a great defensive team with closer go to guy who can put the ball in the bucket if needed with the game on the line.

So yes he made a bigger impact on his team. Simply because he maybe one of the only offensive threats they have. But he isnt the identity of the team. Team deffense is. Something they were great before his emerge as a superstar player, hell before he was even on the bulls.
  
 
I'm sorry, but the "Rose added more to him team's offense" argument doesn't fly. LeBron is the #1 rated player in the league in offensive win shares. LeBron IS a more valuable offensive player. Not opinion, statistical fact.

When you add that D.Rose isn't even worth mentioning in defense and LeBron being the #3 player in the league in defensive win shares, it really becomes a laughable comparison.
 
I'm sorry, but the "Rose added more to him team's offense" argument doesn't fly. LeBron is the #1 rated player in the league in offensive win shares. LeBron IS a more valuable offensive player. Not opinion, statistical fact.

When you add that D.Rose isn't even worth mentioning in defense and LeBron being the #3 player in the league in defensive win shares, it really becomes a laughable comparison.
 
Originally Posted by OnionSlice

I'm sorry, but the "Rose added more to him team's offense" argument doesn't fly. LeBron is the #1 rated player in the league in offensive win shares. LeBron IS a more valuable offensive player. Not opinion, statistical fact.

When you add that D.Rose isn't even worth mentioning in defense and LeBron being the #3 player in the league in defensive win shares, it really becomes a laughable comparison.
Do you guys honestly believe the Bulls would be just as good offensively without Derrick Rose? Really? You believe in stats that much?
 
Originally Posted by OnionSlice

I'm sorry, but the "Rose added more to him team's offense" argument doesn't fly. LeBron is the #1 rated player in the league in offensive win shares. LeBron IS a more valuable offensive player. Not opinion, statistical fact.

When you add that D.Rose isn't even worth mentioning in defense and LeBron being the #3 player in the league in defensive win shares, it really becomes a laughable comparison.
Do you guys honestly believe the Bulls would be just as good offensively without Derrick Rose? Really? You believe in stats that much?
 
Anybody who saw the first round of the playoffs cannot deny Rose is MVP. I'd give D. Howard second but watching the Bulls play looked like the rest of the team was just hoping Rose would make something happen
 
Anybody who saw the first round of the playoffs cannot deny Rose is MVP. I'd give D. Howard second but watching the Bulls play looked like the rest of the team was just hoping Rose would make something happen
 
CJ Watson at point instead of DRose would not lead the Bulls to 55 wins, no matter what those projections say.  Anyone who's watched more than the nationally televised Bulls games will attest to this; not just snippets of the game, not just highlights...entire games. 

Again, congrats DRose.
 
CJ Watson at point instead of DRose would not lead the Bulls to 55 wins, no matter what those projections say.  Anyone who's watched more than the nationally televised Bulls games will attest to this; not just snippets of the game, not just highlights...entire games. 

Again, congrats DRose.
 
I love how if someone points to any of the plethora of stats that shows Rose as not the most deserving MVP, Bulls fans just assume said person doesnt watch the games.  Its just funny to me.
 
I love how if someone points to any of the plethora of stats that shows Rose as not the most deserving MVP, Bulls fans just assume said person doesnt watch the games.  Its just funny to me.
 
#1 Team on the NBA (standing) His the best player on the team = MVP.
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Well deserved. They gonna have a hard time with the Hawks though.
 
#1 Team on the NBA (standing) His the best player on the team = MVP.
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Well deserved. They gonna have a hard time with the Hawks though.
 
Originally Posted by dland24

I love how if someone points to any of the plethora of stats that shows Rose as not the most deserving MVP, Bulls fans just assume said person doesnt watch the games.  Its just funny to me.
How many games did you watch this year...I'm curious....
 
Originally Posted by dland24

I love how if someone points to any of the plethora of stats that shows Rose as not the most deserving MVP, Bulls fans just assume said person doesnt watch the games.  Its just funny to me.
How many games did you watch this year...I'm curious....
 
Originally Posted by epox12

Originally Posted by OnionSlice

I'm sorry, but the "Rose added more to him team's offense" argument doesn't fly. LeBron is the #1 rated player in the league in offensive win shares. LeBron IS a more valuable offensive player. Not opinion, statistical fact.

When you add that D.Rose isn't even worth mentioning in defense and LeBron being the #3 player in the league in defensive win shares, it really becomes a laughable comparison.
Do you guys honestly believe the Bulls would be just as good offensively without Derrick Rose?
No. I don't believe the Hawks would be as good offensively without Joe Johnson either. Doesn't make him MVP.
 
Originally Posted by epox12

Originally Posted by OnionSlice

I'm sorry, but the "Rose added more to him team's offense" argument doesn't fly. LeBron is the #1 rated player in the league in offensive win shares. LeBron IS a more valuable offensive player. Not opinion, statistical fact.

When you add that D.Rose isn't even worth mentioning in defense and LeBron being the #3 player in the league in defensive win shares, it really becomes a laughable comparison.
Do you guys honestly believe the Bulls would be just as good offensively without Derrick Rose?
No. I don't believe the Hawks would be as good offensively without Joe Johnson either. Doesn't make him MVP.
 
Originally Posted by Jgizzle79

Anybody who saw the first round of the playoffs cannot deny Rose is MVP.
Did you watch the first round??? 
First of all, the regular season MVP has nothing to do with the playoffs. Second of all, Rose's performance in the first round was nothing to get excited about. Shooting a low FG%, chucking up 3's and nearly shooting them out of the game against an 8th seed is nothing to brag about.
 
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