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The Bulls fans will be very happy with Tyler if they get him.
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The Bulls fans will be very happy with Tyler if they get him.
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I find it amazing that Flynn has skyrocketed since the measurements. His reach apparently has made a huge difference for some reason.
Ty Lawson does everything statistically better than Flynn. Flynn is a good leader and I think he'll be a good point guard, I just find it amazing that hehas so much hyped around him. That 6 overtime game has really stuck with the NBA GMs. Apparently more than Lawson national championship game and record numberof steals in that game.
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Questionable mock here. I can't believe they tried to call the Hawks out for not drafting Rondo over Williams. Uhh... there were plenty of teams, a good 15that also passed on him as well. If you want to knock on them, call them out for missing the best player of that draft.
Also, drafting Casspi to stash him away? Uhh... right now, going into next season (without signing any FAs), the Kings will have 8 players under contract. Withthe three draft picks, that puts that number at 11. I don't know about stashing anyone away just because they "filled" that need of PG. I wouldlove to get Casspi, but I don't think Petrie has any intentions of stashing anyone away unless we add some more players before then.
Also, drafting Casspi to stash him away? Uhh... right now, going into next season (without signing any FAs), the Kings will have 8 players under contract. Withthe three draft picks, that puts that number at 11. I don't know about stashing anyone away just because they "filled" that need of PG. I wouldlove to get Casspi, but I don't think Petrie has any intentions of stashing anyone away unless we add some more players before then.
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dont worry, Ellington is going first round. The real knock was people questioned his size. I belive he measure out as tall or taller than Gerald Henderson.
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lawson is NOT better then Flynn
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Nobody couldve predicted Rondo's NBA career thus far based on his play at Kentucky, nobody.
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Their measurables may be the same but Ellington cant hold a stick to Henderson in the athleticism department, which when you are talking about undersized 2gaurds is pretty important.
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Says the guy with a UNC avy. He's better in stats alone. Flynn is a much better athlete and pure leader. Lawson can only slash to the post andthats about itOriginally Posted by manamazing55
I find it amazing that Flynn has skyrocketed since the measurements. His reach apparently has made a huge difference for some reason.
Ty Lawson does everything statistically better than Flynn. Flynn is a good leader and I think he'll be a good point guard, I just find it amazing that he has so much hyped around him. That 6 overtime game has really stuck with the NBA GMs. Apparently more than Lawson national championship game and record number of steals in that game.
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only a moron would dispute that fact about athleticism.
My point is, Wayne is 6-5 = NOT an undersized two guards. There are many teams that need a great shooter. Honestly, Id LOVE for the Cavs to draft him
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Originally Posted by Laced Up Jordans
Says the guy with a UNC avy. He's better in stats alone. Flynn is a much better athlete and pure leader. Lawson can only slash to the post and thats about itOriginally Posted by manamazing55
I find it amazing that Flynn has skyrocketed since the measurements. His reach apparently has made a huge difference for some reason.
Ty Lawson does everything statistically better than Flynn. Flynn is a good leader and I think he'll be a good point guard, I just find it amazing that he has so much hyped around him. That 6 overtime game has really stuck with the NBA GMs. Apparently more than Lawson national championship game and record number of steals in that game.
I dont know what to argue about the "better athlete" comment. Does that mean he jumps higher? I dont know. Lawson is faster I would imagine.
Flynn seems to be a good leader, I agree. Of course, how do you measure that. I mean, Lawson led a team to a national title. Dont kid yourself, Carolina tookoff this year, when Lawson took over as the leader and the team looked to him.
His assist/TO ratio is ridiculous, especially in an offense that produces more possessions per game than almost all of your top 25 teams.
He is a very good shooter. Good defender with the potential to be a great defender.
His knock will be can he play the half court game. More than likely he gets drafted by a more running style team, GS, Portland, Dallas etc.
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because the cavs are lacking shooters.....
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heres what I always find ironic......
stats dont mean everything, but they do mean something. You discredit a guy who is statistically better, although im sure if Flynn was better you would use thestats to prove your point.
Look at the accomplishments of Ty Lawson vs. Jonny Flynn in college. Its a laughable comparison. UNC had more talent, but Syracuse was talented, dont kidyourselves.
The Draft is more about need and individual teams assessments of certain players so its not really worth the argument. I just thought id would be a gooddiscussion.
stats dont mean everything, but they do mean something. You discredit a guy who is statistically better, although im sure if Flynn was better you would use thestats to prove your point.
Look at the accomplishments of Ty Lawson vs. Jonny Flynn in college. Its a laughable comparison. UNC had more talent, but Syracuse was talented, dont kidyourselves.
The Draft is more about need and individual teams assessments of certain players so its not really worth the argument. I just thought id would be a gooddiscussion.
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so it would be a smart pick, no?
The same can be said about the Bobcats. Gerald Henderson is a woeful jump shooter, but they need an athletic kid who can defend at the 2. Makes sense in termsof what the team NEEDS. Thats all the NBA draft is. its not the top 30 players.
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I can see Ellington going to the Cavs, but the Cavs better make sure he can offer more than just jump shooting. They have enough one dimensional players on theteam. Give LeBron some athletes he can get out and run with.
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Are you kidding me? What Flynn had to work with was FAR FAR FAR FAR less than what Lawson had.
| 0 | Rick Jackson | F | 6-9 | 240 | Sophomore | Philadelphia, PA |
| 1 | Andy Rautins | G | 6-5 | 205 | Junior | Jamesville, NY |
| 2 | Justin Thomas | G | 6-1 | 188 | Senior | Los Angeles, CA |
| 3 | Mookie Jones | F | 6-6 | 210 | Freshman | Peekskill, NY |
| 5 | Jake Presutti | G | 6-3 | 190 | Senior | Belmont, NY |
| 10 | Jonny Flynn | G | 6-0 | 185 | Sophomore | Niagara, NY |
| 11 | Paul Harris | F | 6-4 | 230 | Junior | Niagara Falls, NY |
| 12 | Kristof Ongenaet | F | 6-8 | 215 | Senior | Ghent, Belgium |
| 21 | Arinze Onuaku | F-C | 6-9 | 275 | Junior | Lanham, MD |
| 23 | Eric Devendorf | G | 6-4 | 180 | Junior | Bay City, MI |
| 24 | Brandon Reese | G | 5-11 | 155 | Freshman | Davie, FL |
| 32 | Kris Joseph | F | 6-7 | 220 | Freshman | Montreal, PQ |
| 45 | Sean Williams | C | 6-11 | 240 | Sophomore | Villa Park, CA |
| 1 | Marcus Ginyard | G-F | 6-5 | 220 | Senior | Alexandria, VA |
| 2 | Marc Campbell | G | 5-11 | 175 | Junior | Wilmington, NC |
| 4 | Bobby Frasor | G | 6-3 | 210 | Senior | Blue Island, IL |
| 5 | Ty Lawson | G | 5-11 | 195 | Junior | Clinton, MD |
| 11 | Larry Drew II | G | 6-1 | 180 | Freshman | Encino, CA |
| 13 | Will Graves | G-F | 6-6 | 245 | Sophomore | Greensboro, NC |
| 14 | Danny Green | G-F | 6-6 | 210 | Senior | North Babylon, NY |
| 15 | J.B. Tanner | G | 6-0 | 185 | Senior | Hendersonville, NC |
| 21 | Deon Thompson | F | 6-8 | 245 | Junior | Torrance, CA |
| 22 | Wayne Ellington | G | 6-4 | 200 | Junior | Wynnewood, PA |
| 24 | Justin Watts | G | 6-4 | 205 | Freshman | Durham, NC |
| 30 | Jack Wooten | G | 6-2 | 190 | Senior | Burlington, NC |
| 32 | Ed Davis | F | 6-10 | 215 | Freshman | Richmond, VA |
| 35 | Patrick Moody | F | 6-4 | 195 | Senior | Asheville, NC |
| 40 | Mike Copeland | F | 6-7 | 235 | Senior | Winston-Salem, NC |
| 44 | Tyler Zeller | F | 7-0 | 220 | Freshman | Washington, IN |
| 50 | Tyler Hansbrough | F | 6-9 | 250 | Senior | Poplar Bluff, MO |
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Ive watched every game Ellington has ever played for UNC and its amazing how much he has improved. His first year especially, he was basically a spot upshooter. He improved each year, and by his jr year he was driving the ball the basket and scoring around the hoop more.
One thing that I think NBA GM's have seen in watching tape of him is that he turned into a very proficient rebounder for a slightly built 2 guard. Therewere games this year where he was the 2nd or 3rd rebounder at the end of the game.
If theres something they teach you at UNC better than most, is how to run the floor and fill the wings. Wayne excelled at getting down the court and fillingthe lane for Lawson on the break.
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so does your post indicate that you can not read? I said UNC was more talented, but that Syracuse was talented. Do you not believe Syracuse was talented?
Do you not believe that Devendorf, Harris, Flynn, and Rautins couldnt play in any conference in the country? Onuaku is better than some ACC starters. I thinkthere late season run showed how talented they were. If not for Flynn's injury, they couldve given Oklahoma a run
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Honestly man, you're just being biased with your love of UNC. You honestly believe Hansbrough is a good pick for the Bulls at 16? Come on.
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im biased in that I am a fan of the team, but its not like I AM solely saying Hansbrough at 16 makes sense, NBA writers/GM's are.
Tell me what it is you think Hansbrough can't do on the NBA level. You dont have to be a all star to have a productive career.
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oh and btw, did I convince you that Syracuse was talented? I didnt see your response
oh and btw, did I convince you that Syracuse was talented? I didnt see your response
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If any team that should take flack for passing up on Rondo, it should be the Kings. We chose instant offense (at the time) over defense. We needed a PG at thetime. People were criticizing Petrie for even taking Douby over Marcus Williams. But I would have loved Rondo over Douby even during that draft. Oh well...
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i'm not saying who's better until they start playing in the regular season....not a lot of separation between them to state who is better now....itsone of them things you gotta wait and see....ima leave the evaluating to the gm's and see is whoever pick whoever was smart or dumb...
